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As Shadows of the past is taking a lot longer to produce than my previous comics, and because it's going to be a while before I'm ready to start submitting it, I've written a short introduction to set the tone of the comic, and to introduce readers to the basic premise. The introduction is simply called "Prelude", and will only be a couple of pages long.

Here's the first page, It's set during the roughly 3 moon period of Without Magic. The exact place on the time-line isn't important to the story.

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Please see my disclaimer before reading\commenting, and be aware that this comic contains views and opinions that may be offensive or distressing to the following group\s: "whining SJW panty-waistes", "Everyone else".

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Comments: 60

TheBadFaerie In reply to ??? [2018-10-16 18:43:45 +0000 UTC]

That's the main plot of this comic.

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meh1428 [2018-08-03 13:32:28 +0000 UTC]

this has the best trigger warning of all time.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to meh1428 [2018-08-03 17:56:03 +0000 UTC]

Yay.

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fotland42 [2017-05-16 06:30:00 +0000 UTC]

I am offended and distressed that you have labelled me as an "everyone else." That is not how I self-identify, and only a horrible monster would refer to me as an "everyone else." You should be ashamed of yourself, and I expect you to reflect upon what you have done and then write me a detailed apology.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to fotland42 [2017-05-16 19:29:20 +0000 UTC]

So ... if you're not "everyone", does that mean that your "no-one"?

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fotland42 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-17 06:18:00 +0000 UTC]

That's a slur. We're called Nonexistent-Americans.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to fotland42 [2017-05-18 19:21:49 +0000 UTC]

Wasn't there a record turnout of your people voting for Trump?

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JustJoeKing [2017-05-16 05:05:45 +0000 UTC]

Pfft. Just say "bad" and he/she'll turn into an alpha Chad/Stacey/Hulk/Wonder Woman... >8)

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EqDBot [2017-05-15 12:20:07 +0000 UTC]

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tigreanpony [2017-05-15 11:59:03 +0000 UTC]

This does seem interesting.

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EqDBot [2017-05-15 00:20:03 +0000 UTC]

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Pankrazius [2017-05-08 20:08:32 +0000 UTC]

Ok... this promises to get interesting.

Sign me up.

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BenCurt [2017-05-08 04:02:37 +0000 UTC]

My first immediate thoughts are Among the Sleep.

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fluttershylover2 [2017-05-08 00:28:46 +0000 UTC]

awesome

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DarthHarion [2017-05-07 20:52:56 +0000 UTC]

Finally it starts!

Since I would like to understand, in your headcanon how do you calculate the duration of "moons"?

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TheBadFaerie In reply to DarthHarion [2017-05-09 13:57:48 +0000 UTC]

1 moon = 1 luna cycle = 1 Equestrian month.

I don't know how many days that is.

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ShinjitsuForever [2017-05-07 12:40:34 +0000 UTC]

Who could these two be?...I'm waiting for the next...

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LuismiPro465 [2017-05-06 20:29:36 +0000 UTC]

That sounds like Flutters~

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TheBadFaerie In reply to LuismiPro465 [2017-05-07 10:23:58 +0000 UTC]

I was kinda going for a more "foal" vibe here.

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LuismiPro465 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-07 19:56:26 +0000 UTC]

Oh, well you got it in the yellow voice xD I was talking about the second one

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jaxonnobles [2017-05-06 19:09:13 +0000 UTC]

Those who know no fear know no courage.

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lordmep [2017-05-06 17:41:37 +0000 UTC]

Ominous.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to lordmep [2017-05-07 10:24:14 +0000 UTC]

Just wait till you see the next page.

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IamSelrahcNoone [2017-05-06 16:32:15 +0000 UTC]

I doubt your ability to be truly offensive, but otherwise looking forward to it.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to IamSelrahcNoone [2017-05-07 10:30:13 +0000 UTC]

The problem is that in today's America people believe that they are offended when they are in fact merely irritated that somebody is challenging their world view.

It's a sad indictment of both the modern education system and the modern mass media that so many people honestly cannot tell the difference when it comes to their own emotions.

You raise a child telling them that "You are who you are, and if anybody disagrees then it's their problem", and this has produced a generation who become irritated or frustrated when somebody expresses an opinion that is different to their own, or promotes a view that challenges their own, and instead of rationalizing this as a normal person would do they see if as some kind of attack on their civil liberties.

It's something that covers all aspects of society. From ultra liberal to hard-line conservative and everything in between.

It's like when a small town grocery store puts up a "no carry" sign outside and rather than checking their gun in the lockers provided, or shopping elsewhere, they treat this as an attack on their fundamental liberties.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-25 21:40:59 +0000 UTC]

I don't see the mentality being the same with the attitude you are describing. If you think someone disagreeing is their problem it wouldn't lead to people want to change others or being offended. Rather it would mean being indifferent.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-26 20:20:41 +0000 UTC]

Because they#re not used to expressing a full emotional range that don't understand the idea of indifference. They jump straight from irritation to offence.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-27 00:10:30 +0000 UTC]

Interesting way of looking at it.
I think you are meaning shutting yourself off from what other's say right?

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-28 18:54:00 +0000 UTC]

A lot of the millenials that I've encountered in my time, particularly those from the suburbs, seem to come from very sheltered environments where they aren't allowed to experience things that might upset or offend them.


Essentially, everything is filtered before it gets to them, so when they experience an something that chalenges them at an emotional level they aren't able to cope.


On it's own this would probably lead them to become withdrawn or introvert. But they are also exposed to a lot of fake drama through the television and through social media.


They watch shows on the Disney Channel or Netflix where all of the characters have exaggerated emotional reactions, and they subscribe to Youtube channels where SJW fill their heads with the idea that the correct way to react to anything that upsets them is either to be outrages or traumatized.


So, you have people who are badly socialized and not used to experiencing emotional reactions, consuming media that tells them that the correct reaction is an explosive one.


So, not understanding the appropriate reaction they simply dial everything up to 11.


They don't get mildly annoyed, they become incensed with rage, and they don't get mildly upset, they became react as if they're a genocide survivor.


I've seen townies talking about the watching the No-Russia video on Youtube as if they were actually there, and describing having nightmares and flashbacks about it.


They're even talking about wanting emotional support animals in difficult classes, and are describing having panic attacks over math problems.


A while back one of them got flustered when they couldn't pronounce a word when reading to the class, and they told everybody that it was a stress induced nervous breakdown.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-29 19:23:14 +0000 UTC]

I don't know if it's true but it's certainly an interesting theory. Having nightmares about it does not mean you are incapable of dealing with something, just that it made a considerable impact. I often felt the tendency of some to laugh at or dismiss stuff much more disruptive as it destroys things without offering alternatives or ways of improvement.

That emotional sensitivity can also be put to productive use in solving the problem. Focusing on it and understanding what you did wrong. It also leads to immersion if there aren't stupid and useless ideas getting in the way. Also sheltered means they are more sensitive, isolating them from emotional reactions is pretty much impossible.


Thing is though I often see a lot more people whining about millennials than I see millenials whining themselves. It more often seems people with a superiority complex looking down on anyone that are more sensitive than they are.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-29 19:44:54 +0000 UTC]

Sensitivity is one thing, but what we're seeing here is emotional immaturity.


You would expect a 3 year old to throw a temper tantrum because they didn't get their own way, or to react to a scene of violence on the television as if they'd seen it in the real world, but you wouldn't expect that from a 13 year old. Or from somebody in their mid twenties.


It's also become fashionable to have a mental health problem because there are so many people who are Youtube famous talking about how they are suffering from anxiety or depression. People want a piece of that. It makes them feel special and different.


There are real people out there who have experienced traumatic events, real people who suffer from depression or phobias that impact their lives in very real ways.


A 14 year old who believes that their experience from watching No Russian in SD on a phone compares to a war veteran with PTSD from being blown up by an IED ... that's not a form of "sensitivity" that can be put to good use.


It's demeaning to veterans to even consider it.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-29 19:52:21 +0000 UTC]

It kinda is. I do wonder why people like you are bronies though. At least for me my entire love for MLP is build on emotional sensitivity and to be open to things.

You can image yourself in a scenario you see on TV just fine. How you react to it is a separate matter.

You do have a point though in that I sometimes do struggle to keep the opinions of others out because I don't agree with them. Like that discussion I had with you rather or not Twilight is a standard nerd character. I still don't think she is but it sometimes is difficult to keep other people's opinions aside, maybe because I indeed wasn't exposed to as many different opinions as I should have been.

It is indeed not the same but the thing is comparing emotional reactions like that is a difficult thing as they are relative. No matter what you will always be able to find someone who had a more traumatic experience than you did so that means you could dismiss practically all reactions.
If he actively seeks it out then no. I often use it though to keep my focus and not be distracted by random thoughts.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-29 20:17:14 +0000 UTC]

Why wouldn't people like me be bronies?


It's objectively a good show. It's well written, well animated and the voice talent it excellent. I like that it doesn't talk down to its audience, and that it brings in all kinds of Easter eggs. The shows creators are in touch with the fandom, and we've seen content directly aimed at us as older fans. What's not to like?


I'm also into shows like Adventure time, Steven Universe and Gravity Falls.


Just because I ride around on a horse with a rifle on my saddle, and say "Y'all" a lot doesn't mean that I can't like nice things. I'm a conservative and I live in on a farm in a rural area, but I suspect that you're main experience of people like me is as a villain or an unsympathetic character on a TV show, not as a real person that you actually know. I'm not a character from a Steven King novel. Most of us aren't like that in real life.


If you look at my very first long comic, Without Magic, you'll see that it starts out as being an Applejack and Twilight comic (It was only meant to be about 15 pages long when I started). I identify with Applejack as a character. Her and the musical numbers are the reason that I'm in the fandom. You can thank Winter Wrapup for that. It was my keysone moment.


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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-29 20:54:12 +0000 UTC]

It is very emotional and the thing the what holds the brony community together is a common sentimentality.

Guess you did have a point in that millenials are not as capable of dealing with it. With me liking something because I want to or because I have to is very extreme. That's why I often find it hard to understand people who can like MLP but have those kinds of arguments. A show being good doesn't mean I like it, it makes it easier to like but rather I like it or not is what content it has. Usually if it contains tropes I really hate the better the execution the stronger my hate for it becomes.
My philosophy is that the only way a piece of media can truly fail is if it doesn't get any sort of reaction. If you hate something it proves it did something well otherwise it wouldn't trigger you.

Though then again I do heavy very heavy autism and have always struggled with nuance. Maybe that's why I have such a strict divide between quality and liking/disliking.

I always identified far more with Twilight. Her desire to understand the world and her desire to please Celestia. MLP also wasn't afraid to have some harsh moments in it. For me Celestia's domineering presence was the reason as almost no shows seem to want a respectable authority figure anymore and I love those.
Applejack is actually my least favorite character among the mane 6. She always had a very aloof and arrogant demeanor about her that I always hated in people. Twilight I identify with as she has plenty of reasons to be arrogant but has been specifically raised not to. She knows things better than those around her but doesn't flaunt it. Celestia has that as well. It's something I can sense and I can't really put into words.
I really love that scene in Lesson Zero of how Celestia just looks and uses a minimum amount of words. Unlike many shows Celestia doesn't go on a tirade but let's Twilight speak and corrects her where needed. It was one of the best parenting moments I've seen.
Despite my love for that scene the key moment for me was in Bats. When Fluttershy was transformed I completely expected it was going to be through friendship or willpower or something like that. I loved that Fluttershy was truly as helpless to her instincts as it appeared and they had to solve it with intelligence and effort instead of just begging Fluttershy to snap out of it.

I don't like Winter Wrap up that much. In Winter Wrap up it really seemed to be discrimination against unicorns since neither Earth-Ponies nor Pegasi were forbidden from using their magic. I feel this goes really against the ideals of unity and friendship that MLP FIM is supposed to have. I like that Twilight got to show off her talents as a leader and organizer but her suffering throughout is really painful to watch. If it was only favoring earth ponies it would be more acceptable but Pegasi seemed to be allowed to fly around and utilize that flight just fine.
I also don't at all like the mentality of shooting yourself in the food for the sake of tradition. I know it was meant to symbolize manual work versus using machines but it just isn't that way in Equestria. Unicorns are part of Equestria and of Ponyville. In real life demanding manual labor helps bring other together but here it only serves to alienate a certain race.
I can accept traditions like those, don't get me wrong but that doesn't mean I have to like them.

I do like they kept to the traditions in the end and didn't overthrow them. Even if I don't like the tradition itself. It's the kind of episode that I accept fits into the MLP FIM line-up but I don't like watching it. Another episode like that is Feeling Pinkie Keen, many say it's funny but I found it simply just painful to watch. I very strongly identified with Twilight and therefore seeing her suffer like that was not funny to me. I think the problem is that they did Twilight's scientific mindset too well. It wasn't stubbornness but a genuine desire to understand and know how it fit into her view of the world. I really love that they manage to really speak to my scientific self that well which is why I hate Twilight is constantly beaten up for it.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-30 11:47:00 +0000 UTC]

Um, nopony forbid unicorns from using magic in Winter Wrapup, we see Lyra, Rarity and several background unicorns using magic throughout the episode.


They were only not supposed to use magic as a shortcut, and even then it was a tradition not an actual rule.


For example, Rarity could use magic to weave a bird's nest but she couldn't simply make one appear through magic, and Lyra could use a snow shovel with her magic but not simply melt the snow.


Applejack got mad at Twilight for trying to use magic as a shortcut when she said that she was doing something by hoof.


I come from a pretty traditional town, a little like Ponyville was portrayed in the first two seasons. So I understand that often things are more about a community coming together to do something in a specific way than they are about the actual outcome.


We have old fasioned barn raisings and house raisings. We could just buy a prefab and have a construction company come put it up for us. It would be more practical, but it wouldn't be a community event. The building would be something that we purchased, not something that we made. There would be no history and no memories attached to it.


It's the difference between owning a portrait that your grandmother painted, and one that you brought off of ebay.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-09-30 16:13:00 +0000 UTC]

That whole magic as a shortcut just sounds like dodging the question to me. They skill lies in magic and they are not allowed to use it. Also if Twilight was allowed to use basic magic it makes her very foolish for not just doing so.

There is a big difference though in that magic is an innate ability. Also buying one on Ebay is not you doing something but having someone else doing it for you. It's closer to the difference between a painting your grandma made and one you made on the computer.

I come from a business class family and so being inefficient is heavily frowned upon.
I also mentioned that I get what they were meaning with it. It just didn't ring true for me.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-09-30 17:15:11 +0000 UTC]

In the English language version of the episode there isn't anything in the show's dialog about there being any actual rules against using magic. It's simply stated that it's a tradition that goes back hundreds of years. It's also Twilight herself who insists on not using magic because she wants to respect that tradition.


If a unicorn uses magic they aren't going to be arrested or anything like that.


Sometimes communities like to come together and do things the old fashioned way. It brings people closer together and it helps you to appreciate your heritage. It's often more about doing something, than the product at the end.


We have a computer controlled lathe, it can turn out 90% perfect, 90% identical wooden parts many times faster than a human could do it, but if we're making something special we do it by hand because it connects us to our traditions and gives us a greater appreciation for what we are doing and why we are doing it. Yes, it's inefficient, but when you do something like that you're not really considering efficiency.


It's the personal touch.

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marinus18 In reply to TheBadFaerie [2018-10-01 04:25:24 +0000 UTC]

Yeah I guess so.

As I said though I don't agree with being inefficient just for the sake of it I can respect it. It's just the fact that Twilight is robbing herself of something innate to ponies in a land that's supposedly stands for harmony that gives really poor messages.

The reason is indeed that a machine does it perfect. Humans apparently have a dislike for things perfect. But also Mayor mare says the the traditions make things happen way to slowly.

I got that the thing about the analogy from the beginning. It's more that this means Twilight is just misinterpreting the meaning which is weird and that is also never addressed. I just don't like the analogy that magic is a cheap way of doing while it is an innate power. Computers are not an innate power that humans have. Am I looking too deep into it? Maybe but one of the things that appealed to me so strongly about the world of Equestria was the idea of all 3 races using their talents together and them using their highly specialized cutie mark talents together. Winter Wrap Up just really goes against the idea of what made me love the world of Equestria.


There is also the fact that Twilight keeps suffering so much which is just painful for me to watch. I have a very gentle personality so seeing characters suffer over and over in an episode can quickly make me uncomfortable. I'm not saying it can't happen in a episode at all, in fact to a certain extend it should happen. But I have my limits to how much suffering I can take of a character before it becomes no longer fun to watch. I have the same thing with your story especially when Twilight get's punished for making Fluttershy cry when she was just making an analogy to make the others understand.

To repeat I'm not saying I wish Winter Wrap Up wasn't made. It's an episode that really added a harshness to MLP FIM that pushed it to new heights and it was a good thing it was added. It also greatly added to Twilight's character in showing off her organisation and leadership skills. It's just not an episode I enjoy watching.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to marinus18 [2018-10-02 18:59:44 +0000 UTC]

Twilight isn't really robbing herself of anything. Winter Wrapup was a season 1 episode, Twilight was still trying to find her place in Ponyville, she wanted to take part but she was also uncertain of herself, and she didn't want to stand out too much.


Winter Wrapup was a community event, she wanted to be a part of it.

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-10 06:09:47 +0000 UTC]

I think I found something, that might partially explain peoples reaction, respectively this whole overreacting at seemingly minor inconveniences.

theoatmeal.com/comics/believe

(No it's not by me, but I think this comic is pure genius and should be teached in every school.)

It is called 'backfire effect'. In short: any attack on a core belief one harbored since a long time produces the same reaction as a physical attack.

This and that modern education, wich puts one in the center of ones universe is in my opinion a good reason, why people go nuts over every little thing.
Because you don't just disagree, or challenge their views - you challenging their fundamental view of being perfect the way they are.

But don't fear. I don't tend to get loud in arguments. If you challenge my views, I just crawl up in bed, sobbing in my pillows

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TheBadFaerie In reply to Pankrazius [2017-05-10 10:43:05 +0000 UTC]

I haven't read in full but I did skim though, and I do see what you mean.

I totally get the concept.

What I just don't understand, on a personal level, is how people can take things that are just "mildly annoying" and then totally fly off the handle over them. Like making death threats against the people who made No Man's Sky. Or those people who make the angry Youtube videos where they look like they are about to have an anger induced heart attack because they were looking through their neighbors bedroom window with a telescope and they saw that they had a 1980s movie poster on their wall where one of the characters from the movie had a confederate flag on their belt buckle.

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-10 18:03:29 +0000 UTC]

I think it's the perspective. Things you see as mildly annoying, may be important for other people. It is like the example with Washingtons teeth.

Me, coming from Germany, don't really get what's the matter with the informations. I got the first one (not made of wood, but of a bunch of different stuff) and thougth: 'Interesting. Didn't even know the wood-teeth part...'

The second info (teeth made of slaves teeth) was about the same reacton. For me Washington is a historic figure from another time and country - like King Henry VIII or Napoleon Bonaparte. Merely an interesting anecdote in a conversation.

I assume - however your personal opinion on Washington is, you got a stronger reaction, just because you have closer connection.

And someone with a strong, long harbored belief of Washington as the ultimate historical hero, may feel personal engaged here.

Further - you gave a point yourself in your blog (I belief it was one of the 'about millenials' posts) that the pure lack of real learnings in grief, lost and emotion makes one easier offended. Without anything to compare, even a minor challenge is reciefed as personal attack and has to be defended by any means necessary.

And as my closing statement: I belief that the majority of people isn't that easy offended. I think most people - even millenials (which I technically count as myself) are just normal people, with normal problems and normal anger management. The internet is just the place where this easy offended, screaming stereotypes are just more visible. Normal people don't threat you for a normal comic*.
So one don't get anything close to an avarage in ones comments, when it comes to offended people. They are just louder and it seems there are more of them than expected. 

(*Don't get me wrong here. Having read your last comic I think this one will become very good, too. But even maybe dark in tone, it won't be that far off limits).

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TheBadFaerie In reply to Pankrazius [2017-05-10 19:22:34 +0000 UTC]

While I understand that some things may elicit strong reactions in people who feel close to certain issues, the issue that I think is important is that many people are having a strong reaction to things that are:

A) Pretty insignificant
B) That they have no personal connection to

Just look at all of the recent video game controversies. Such as Why Colonel Shepard in Mass Effect is called Shepard when they are male, and is called female Shepard (Femshep) when they are female (Players get to choose the character's gender when they start their games). This isn't even canon. It's a fan thing that mostly only exists in fan-fic. Yet people are acting like this is some form of discrimination despite the fact that its not even an official thing with the company that made the game and despite the fact that the game plays almost identically with both characters.

Or another controversy over female games characters being designed with less bulky armor than male characters. The in game stats are the same and the game plays the same, they just have a lighter weight armor designs because the female characters use different models that are smaller and slimmer, and would look silly wearing massive bulky armor.

Also, look a the controversy over the new Legend of Zelda game where you only get a male character to play. The lead female character is clearly the more powerful of the two, but she's not playable.

Nobody can really tell me that this is A) significant to the world, or B) That the general public have a personal stake in this?

It's the same with people getting upset because singers from the 1980s had confederate flag belt buckles, why would this be personally significant to a 15 year old white teenager from the suburbs in a northern state? Significant enough to make death threats against the singer, or to threaten to blow up music shops if they sold his CDs (which don't exist as his records went out of production in 1986 and were never re-released).

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-11 17:42:30 +0000 UTC]

So, what you say is, that there has to be another reason besides the backfire effect and a lack of personal emotional experience?

Ok. Now it's going to be interesting. Gives me to think.
One thing I can think of, may be some sort of acceptance in a group. Or acceptance by ones peers. Or in a broader sense some kind of group dynamic.

Groups don't neccessarily define themselfes by its members, but by who isn't a member of the group.
I don't know how your school life was. But I think there was some kinds of groups in the classes. Let's say the cool kids, the 'normal crowd' and the outsiders. Probably there were more. But lets keep it simple.
The cool kids are the group everyone (or at least the most) wants to be part of. They define who is a member of the cool kids, who is part of the normal crowd. And they decide who is an outsider.
No one wanted to be one of the outsiders. Because not being an outsider means, you were accepted at least in the normal crowd. And you weren't bashed by the cool kids.
So bashing the outsiders made one a part of the normal group. Defending the outsiders made one an outsider in most cases.

I think here is a similar mechanism. You don't want to get on the wrong side of - for example the SJWs, Feminists, Leftwings, Rightwings - name them how you like. You don't neccessarily even want to be part of this groups. But don't bashing the outsiders may be misunderstood as defending them, making you a paraiah, too.

Even harder is it, IF you are part of a group. You want to stay there, you want to gain fame inside your group. So you have to be a paragon example. You have to be more Catholic than the Pope. This dynamic then forces the other members of the group to get even more extreme.
And the worst thing one can do, is to question or to make a reality check. This makes you automatically a defender of the 'enemy' and therefore an enemy yourself.

I think this dynamic of getting accepted inside a group an the lack of reflection inside a group may be another good reason why seemingly insignificant matters gain such a weight.
Because A) It may be insignificant. But pointing out the insignificance will destroy your reputation in the group
and B) There is no need for personal connection. It's significance - or pseudo-significance is defined by a bunch of people, where every one wants to be the bestest.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to Pankrazius [2017-05-11 18:13:45 +0000 UTC]

Basically, "jumping on the bandwagon" with a touch of "monkey see, Monkey do" thrown in for good measure?

A bunch of post-millennium teenagers see a video on Youtube where an SJW tells everybody that something terrible is going on, and that everybody is very emotional about it. And the teenagers - who have been left emotionally empty by today's impersonal society, and who want a sense of belonging that they have been denied by artificially imposed social norms - see the video and believe that because other people are being emotional about whatever it is then so should they. So they experience some form of mass hysteria and start posting death threats against a music groups whose members died of old age 20 years ago, because one of them sung a song that mentions buses being segregated in the 1950s.

I guess that makes about as much sense as anything these days.

Now, how far do I need to go before I find somewhere acceptable to live where this madness isn't.

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-12 15:06:46 +0000 UTC]

Yes. This IS a real pain. And this is a growing problem.
Like it's more and more so, that we don't talk to each other or discuss with others. We more and more just talk about each other.
I sadly don't have a recipe to stop this. The only thing I think can help is don't stop to talk to others. To point out the wrongs and to hope, that every negative trend will eventually create an equal counter trend.
If you recognize the errors (like this terrible way of bashing others instead of discussing) don't fall in the same pit.
At least, that is, what I try to do.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to Pankrazius [2017-05-12 16:06:02 +0000 UTC]

Trying to use logic and reason ... isn't that a bit like trying trying to put out a fire by spraying it with nuclear waste?

I can just see the conversation now:

Sensible person: Wouldn't it be more reasonable to take into account the situation at the time, and how culture has changed?
SJW: RACIST, YOUR WORSE THAN HITLER, HOW DARE YOU, I'M GOING TO KILL A KITTEN EVERY TIME YOU SPEAK.

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-13 14:27:42 +0000 UTC]

Now - at least it's not me, who makes an idiot of himself.

Because - imagine someone (unbiased) reads this conversation...
I am aware, that it might not help in 99 from 100 cases. But maybe, if enough people share this thougt, this one case could change the situation. One convinced person at a time...

Yes. It is grasping for straws. Maybe I'll stick with the aliens-take-us-as-pets-thing...

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Pankrazius In reply to TheBadFaerie [2017-05-12 05:54:54 +0000 UTC]

My best hopes in this regard are, that someday benevolent aliens take over the planet and keep us as pets...

But seriously: I believe that this hysteria and this extreme reactions to insignificant stuff isn't the majority of people. The internet just doesn't filter (or doesn't filter as society and slower mediums do).
So you just see more of this hysteria happen.

It's like fanfictions. Most of them are terrible. People today dont't know how to write decent today. There are a few good ones, but the vast majority is a catastrophy.
But imagine you didn't have the internet. You had to rely on old-school techinques like drafts, sent to a publisher. The publisher would reject 99% of the storys sent in. You never wouldn't see them anywhere. And therefore have the impression, people can write decent storys. Because the average is pretty good.

Internet is just an easy way to create an incredible range. One troll from a hicksville in the Bavarian Forest could troll half the population of New York, or Tokyo just via the wonders of modern communication. In reality this guy would met a few hundred people in his entire life.

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TheBadFaerie In reply to Pankrazius [2017-05-12 12:08:55 +0000 UTC]

While they may not actually represent the majority of people they can make things a pain in the backside for the majority of people. Like when two or three people get upset because somebody started kicking off because they think that hangman is offensive to people who were lynched back in the old west, and suddenly your school starts demanding that people hand over their phones so that they can search for hangman apps. This is ridiculous, on multiple levels, particularly in a high school where the odds of somebody actually having a hangman app on their phone is negligible.

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