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All of the things listed have the PORTENTIAL to become something much greater.And we don't base laws on portential. So suck it.
Edit: Can't be fucked with annoying anti-choicers. If you don't like it don't get all butthurt. Just leave and don't favourite, understand?
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Sperm itself isn't a human, but when it becomes an embryo, it is a human. If the process is stopped, they are killed. Thus, the prevention is killing them. Murder is the prevention of someone's being further.
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ok on the egg one It's not a chicken until it's a fertilized egg. imp that egg is a chicken as soon as it is fertilized, it's not a matured chicken though. not at all. the acorn is a seed. Plants and animals are different. A dress isn't even a living creature so it doesn't count.
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A zygote has all the genes of a new person, just at the dawn of a beginning of life.
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Young girl named Lia Mills speech for stop abortion, please watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUb6i…
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I'd love to serve an anti-choice control freak (synonyms...) an uncooked cake in a restaurant.
"Um... This is a bowl of batter...
"No, no! It's a beautiful cake."
"It's not cooked..."
"But it's got potential."
"I'd get sick if I ate this..."
"Well, you should've thought about that before you ordered."
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I.. don't think you understand this stamp. A cake is not alive, no matter what stage it's in, is not alive.
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a cake is alive when the weat is living for the flour but lol I'm sorry I'm not helping
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That's an idiotic comparison. Cake (whether baked or not) isn't alive, Fetuses are.
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Ooh, somebody got deleted, I see.
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You forgot caterpillars. They have the potential to become butterflies but they aren't butterflies.
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"Consent to sex is not consent to prengancy" is like saying"consent to over-eating is not consent to obesity"... is not like condoms are a myth, just saying. Why some people still won't mention that condoms exist?
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You realise that there are other ways to have children right
like
you know
rape.
that exists.
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That's only about 1% of the people who get an abortion, while the other 99% get them because they were irresponsible.
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this is old, but I'm going to reply anyway. You do realize birth control doesn't always work correct? people can engage in safe sex practices and still get pregnant. Also countering your other argument, not everyone is financially able to keep a child, or genuinely can not invite a life into their home because of an abusive lover, family, etc. You make it sound like everyone lives in the same situation. Even then people should still be able to have sex for pleasure without the burden of a child they do not want. Bearing a child is not as simple as most pro-lifer's seem to make it.
Adoption isn't a valid answer either since a percentage of children grow to the age of 18 without families and aren't allowed to stay in the system anymore, and most end up becoming troubled later in life. To leave your child in a system where they have to go back from home to home and are barely allowed to have anything and having that MEMORY as they grow up, is far more worse as killing off a bundle of cells in my opinion. Most people who want to adopt get turned down by agencies anyway.
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I understand that and even I agree abortion is valid in some regards, but the majority of time abortions are done due to rape and incest, they are done due to the second form of birth control. Also, if you wanna due sex for pleasure there are more valid ways that don't lead to pregnancy such as oral, anal, double masturbation, cumming on the stomach.
Also, my grandfather was adopted and I'm planning to adopt so take that. I do however agree that adoption agencies are very harsh with candidates and I hope something can ben done.
And do you not understand you are a just bundle of cells too?
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While that is true, just because there are other options besides penetrative doesn't mean people will do them. Though that also doesn't mean that they should have to bear a child because of it. I'm assuming quite a large amount of teens don't even know about other ways to have sex in general considering sex-ed isn't nearly as informative as it should be, so you'd have to take that into account too.
I'm a bundle of cells too, i can die any moment. The weight of it is that i have had an effect on other peoples lives, i have memories and I have felt emotions and people have felt emotions because of me. A baby in the womb has no relationships with people, and cant feel pain and hasn't lived a life. It is technically alive sure, but there is no weight to it. This is why it lays onto the person who is conceiving the child, if they know they cant take care of it or just don't want a child then they should have the option to get rid of it. This sounds better then people who are forced to have it and then they decide to kill it by hand or either throw it in a trash bag does it not? There are tons of cases in the united states at least about stuff like that. The only time i consider the baby alive is when it is out of the womb, that is because it is experiencing life first hand, because that is when it is making an impact on its surroundings. Killing it after it is born is morally wrong to me.
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Fine, I'll agree to that. Sex Ed needs to teach more.
Actually, unborn children do feel emotions. It's been shown that during an abortion they will attempt to flee and get away from well dying, they have a relationship with their mother, and what makes a 7-inch trip through the birth canal decide if they're alive or not? From your definition, they don't have relationships (which they actually do), don't have feelings or their own thoughts, and they cry. So by your logic, if I have a baby and decide I don't want them anymore, I have the right to kill them?
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It has a relationship with its mother because it depends on them for survival, if a women truly does not want the child then there is no emotional connection, sure the mother might feel sympathetic but the unborn baby does not have more rights then the person who is providing for it.
The baby only starts to feel pain at about eight weeks i believe? "That said, for the vast majority of development, a fetus is no more capable of experiencing emotions than a sea slug. They just don't have enough brain development yet. Around 28 weeks, they start showing basic brainwave activity, including basic sleep cycles." even if they did they still do not have more rights than the person it is in.
"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 66 percent of legal abortions occur within the first eight weeks of gestation, and 92 percent are performed within the first 13 weeks"
"Only 1.2 percent abortions occur at or after 21 weeks."
I never said that? I said that you form an emotional bond when the baby is out. It is the same as seeing the animal your food is coming from on a video and you feeling bad even though when you were eating it before you felt nothing.
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Wow. You're a terrible person comparing newborn babies to food and sea slugs. Christ, what did your mother teach you?
But to answer your question, so you do admit they feel pain?
And can you deny that this way of thinking has led to legislation like the ones New York and Virginia where babies, newborn out of the womb babies are allowed to be killed?
And it's nice to know that you think of people like my grandfather who was adopted by the way as completely dependent on what his mother thinks and whether or not he should be considered a life that's worth living or waste.
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I never compared a baby to food? I said it is the same way of thinking. You hear about animals in shelters but seeing them in commercials makes you care. That is human nature, we do not care until we see the living thing even if we know it exists. also I was quoting a person who said that???? and I wasn't talking about a newborn baby, i was talking about a fetus still in the womb.
They feel pain on a completely basic level. not like how we feel pain, they are not that developed, but since you want to completely ignore what i said and make assumptions i know you are going to disregard that too.
Also you do know that law is specifically talking about babies born with severe health issues do you not? There was literally a child born without skin in Texas, but whatever lol continue to think that everyone who disagrees with you are sociopaths.
I never said anything about your grandfather, for all you know his mother could've thought that abortion was morally wrong if abortion was an option and she realized she couldn't financially take care of him and give him what he needed and gave him away. You are extremely ignorant. Not everyone grows up wealthy and not everyone is in the same situation to take care of a child. I wont continue this, seeing that you are only going to make shots at me and twist my words.
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I always care! I believe that a life form is born when there's a heartbeat.
They still feel it. You feel that same amount of pain as you sleep. Should I kill you too?
Sad. However, I don't think they're sociopaths. In some cases I can understand in most however, children are perfectly healthy and yet they are aborted.
Tell that to Steve Jobs. And unlike you, I believe in giving children chances that's why I'm going to adopt as many as I can once I'm older.
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"A life form is born when there's a heartbeat."
Could you please elaborate further on what you mean by "born?"
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Born as in being able to grow and feel.
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That's what a baby is able to do once it is born. Anything else comes after. So does the fetus, but only at the third trimester of the pregnancy and not in the exact way that you think.
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Actually babies can recognize sounds even before the third trimester.
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*cough* www.babycentre.co.uk/6-weeks-p… As you can see in the image (or not, I don't think I can see either, but you get the point), small pits are forming on either side of the fetus's head to become ears. They do not hear nor recognize sounds at this stage.
www.babycentre.co.uk/7-weeks-p…
www.babycentre.co.uk/8-weeks-p… Okay, the latter link will give you a better image of where the ears should be. The ears are still in development, so they cannot hear just yet as the nerve cells are still developing to connect them to the brain.
www.babycentre.co.uk/9-weeks-p… Ears moving to place, but they're still not fully developed yet, much less able to hear or recognize sounds.
www.babycentre.co.uk/10-weeks-… The outer ears are fully developed, but the inner ears need more time.
www.babycentre.co.uk/15-weeks-… This is the stage where actual hearing starts to develop. From the fetus's perspective, the sounds it hears are muffled, but it being able to recognize sounds is still a very long way to go.
www.babycentre.co.uk/17-weeks-… Hearing starts to improve, but again, sound recognition is still a-ways to go.
www.babycentre.co.uk/18-weeks-… Ears now fully in position.
www.babycentre.co.uk/19-weeks-… The brain is starting to separate into four specialized areas, hearing being among them, even though the fetus is able to "hear" up to then.
www.babycentre.co.uk/23-weeks-… The fetus's hearing is more defined, although it's ambiguous if it can recognize sounds, though (I would guess from the facts that it's likely a theory).
Sound recognition will be most likely soon after the baby is born, so no, the fetus can only hear clearer sounds as soon as its ears are finished developing in the third trimester.
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Yeah okay. But they still recognize stuff. There was a video of a baby trying to avoid being aborted.
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"But they still recognize stuff."
Did I or did I not say this only happens after the baby is born? Because I'm more than certain I did and clearly you either did not understand it or refused to.
"There was a video of a baby trying to avoid being aborted."
Okay, A) Are you sure it's a late-term abortion and not at the earliest?
And B) Even if that's the case, their reflexes only start being honed between 12 and 24 weeks of gestation. Even with an undeveloped brain, they can reflex, but as it's still in development, it's still in practice, so it won't even be very often.
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So by your logic, would she kill people who are underdeveloped in the mental department then?
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Obviously not because even mentally handicapped people are sentient beings capable of thoughts and feelings and emotions compared to fetuses. Even a person with cerebral palsy has sentience in all these departments. This type of logic doesn't apply to fetuses because they're still developing in the womb.
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So their lives are worthless because they are still developing in the womb. By that logic, that gives mothers the right to kill newborn children since they are still continuing, not really sentient, and are completely dependent on their parents.
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Uh, no, they have no right to commit infancide or fillicide because both babies are sentient beings as soon as they reach the 24-week mark and their brains become completely physically developed and formed as soon as they're born (preemie babies not so much, but I'd rather we not get into that because it's not the issue). And by sentient, I mean they're capable of conscious thought, capable of having feelings and emotions and capable of expressing themselves. This type of logic doesn't apply to fetuses, not ever.
You can say "By that logic (insert nonsensical pro-life/pro-birth that tries to be right but fails due to relying on falsified information)" all you want; it doesn't and never will change the fact that fetus's aren't people, human beings as they're not even sentient until the time they're born. Having a heartbeat isn't enough; it never is.
P.S. I know what you're going to say about coma patients and all I'm going to say is that even coma patients have sentience and can have dreams like normal people (I think) compared to fetuses, who lack that ability.
Good day, and don't bother making a comment intending to reply to me. I just further goes to show how immature and shallow you are.
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I'm aware of that, and I agree that rape victims should have the option to abort. I was talking about people that are pregnant from consensual.
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Im only against the egg thing, but not from farms, only the super large places that treat their birds awfully, everything else I agree with, and Im fine with people eating eggs, I just dont like seeing them bought from a place that doesnt treat their chickens right. I love seeing them used at home farms and such though, in fact I have like 30 chickens and I sell their eggs, and Im vegan too.
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I have actually seen people get butthurt over me eating eggs. EGGS. FROM MY CHICKENS. Their explanation is "Your taking the hens children away and KILLING them! EVIL!" Or "You are eating a baby chicken!". I usually just inform them that chickens even eat their own eggs if they are able to crack them. And that they don't want any chicks if they leave the eggs in the nest instead of sitting on them. Some people, ughh.
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have you ever googled what a 12-week-old fetus looks like? Yeah, a fucking tiny baby, not a blob.
here's a model of one: www.snopes.com/photos/medical/…
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This stamp is actually referring to 1-3 week old zygotes and embryos:
www.invitra.com/differences-be…
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Yes but that is not what a baby looks like by 8 weeks, when most abortions happen.... Just sayin....
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why does it matter? at 8 weeks it still doesn't look like a baby and is smaller than a kitten when it's first born.
and boy howdy are kittens tiny when first born.
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A Fertilized Egg is a "Baby" in the same way that a box of Flour is a "Loaf of Bread.
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have you ever googled what a 12-week-old fetus looks like? Yeah, a fucking tiny baby, not a blob.
here's a model of one: www.snopes.com/photos/medical/…
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Whats shown in the "not a tree" and "not a dress" parts?
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A seed and a silkworm
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It is actualy not an excuse to not treat them as what they are growing to become. This is actually a superficial analizyz and we will not go anywhere like this (no ofense)
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At first I thought the picture of the sperm entering the egg was something going into the sun, and I was very confused.
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Kids, before you get your Tumblr in a twist, lemme tell you this...
1. Kids can and will dominate all of your time for about the first 4 years.
2. Not every kid turns out nice. Hell, it might even decide to murder you to please their Creepypatsa God.
3. No guarantees the kid will take care of you when you grow up. Argument invalid.
4. A chicken egg in a coop wouldn't look as nice on this stamp, in my opinion, it's a little thing some artists do, change something a tad bit to make it fit in better.
5. If this one gives me hate, it'll be fun to watch...
Your pwesush bawl of sunwight is a little slimeball that will be in your house for the next 16-18 years, possibly longer. They will do nothing but scream, sleep and crap for the first 1 year. It will be harder to beat down its cries and rampages unless you've done so in the past, which is why a good talking to or whackin is never a bad idea when the kid has been bad. You can die during childbirth, and tbh, it's not worth it. That clod of cells is not a child. If a clod of cells counts as human nowadays, you kill millions of "people" every day by just getting up and moving around. Dead "bodies" litter your computer chair and sleeping place. Every time you bleed, you're expelling thousands of people from home who did nothing wrong. Your counting skin, blood, organs, and flesh as human.
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