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Published: 2012-11-18 13:10:19 +0000 UTC; Views: 2444; Favourites: 63; Downloads: 2
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"How many women need to DIE before people realize that this fixation on preserving Fetal life has gone too far?!"Inspired by my friends placard at a pro-choice protest.
So I'm sure many of you have heard about Savita Halappanavar? She was the woman who was miscarrying at 17 weeks gestation and was refused an abortion, she later died of Septicaemia (Blood Poisoning)
As someone who lives in the United Kingdom, I am SO disgusted that Ireland STILL has one of the most stupidest anti-choice laws in the western world. It's not illegal, but very highly restricted. Some of you may know that Ireland recently opened a Marie Stopes Clinic is Belfast, it only allows abortions up to nine weeks but it's a start. And there's HUNDREDS of people protesting it.
It's fucking sickning
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They're passing laws just like this one here in the US now, too. Ohio, Kentucky, Georgia, Alabama, and Missouri have recently passed "heartbeat laws" just like the one that got Halappanavar killed. More women here will now be denied life-saving care, just like what happened to her. They will be left to die because their lives, health, and well-being are considered less important and less worthy of saving than those of the fetuses they bear, again just like what happened to her. Ireland has moved forwards--they've finally overturned their ban and are going to make abortion free for all women--but we're moving thousands of steps backwards.
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What the fuck is wrong with Ireland's goverment!?
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Yeah, we have that in NI too, the stupid and uptight bastards who put religion in the way of the people should not be politicians or run a church, the politicians there are nothing but crying and whine like little babies and constantly bicker and a whole lotta clusterfuck!
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What happened to Savita was horrible!
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How is removing an ALREADY DEAD Fetus "Murdering a Baby", anyway? Dead is dead, so what's the difference?
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No uterus, no opinion. hat's my philosophy on the matter.ย
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Technically a fetus IS a person, just an incomplete one.
That's like saying a car that hasn't had wheels attached to it yet isn't a car because it doesn't have wheels.
It's still a car, it's just not a FINISHED car.
Anyone who says "A fetus isn't alive, it's a collection of cells" is an idiot.
You know why? because cells ARE LIVING THINGS!
So a fetus IS a living creature. Just because it's not a finished human doesn't mean it isn't alive. Anything with functional cells that are not dead is a living thing, whether it's you, me, a fetus, a tree, or a paramecium.
But, as I've said before, you've brought up good points.
Personally though, I think that once brain activity starts in the fetus, it becomes murder to kill it.
Although it's technically murder to kill it at any stage because it is going to BECOME a finished person.
Saying killing a fetus isn't murder is like saying demolishing an unfinished building isn't destruction of property, just because it isn't finished.
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I just wanna point out a bacterium is a cell too and I don't think anyone is batting an eye at that
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But it's never going to be anything more than that. A fetus is another matter entirely.
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That's the only abortion I would allow, if it's life threatening. People get me wrong about that.
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the people in this comment section against abortion are giving me cancer
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people don't understand the mother's choice is more important than their beliefs.
edit: fixed typo
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I know right! It's about time Ireland realizes that "sometimes...in order to be nice, you must be mean" - a quote I found once
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why would someone refuse to give a women an aobortion if the child was already dead?
this is the rare instance of abortion that I can mutually agree on, however just being pregnant does not guarantee to take the women's life....in fact tho yes,it does happen, such complications are few in number compared to all the healthy pregnancies,so I think you're opening statement is a little over the top.
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My stance on abortion is: It's the woman's choice whether or not to abort.
Why would someone need to abort? Well, besides the story up there...
Suppose a woman got pregnant, but she and her husband couldn't afford to take care of a child- they were barely making ends meet for themselves. She didn't want a kid, but if she's not allowed to abort, she's going to be forced to keep the kid anyway. Having to provide for the kid when they barely had enough for themselves would probably put more financial stress on them than they could handle.
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They should give the baby up for adoption, as far as I know there aren't any countries that don't let people give babies up.
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I know right..I heard my mother hรขd a friend who was forced to keep a child she didn't even want.
And also to and to the points you made. If the child found out that they where just a mistake that was never ment to happen, and that their parents lives would be easier without them. Wouldn't that drive them to suicide?
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My wager before they change, is that they wont change until the number of women left in Ireland is so low, they have no choice.
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Just for the record, it wasn't the lack of an abortion that killed her. She died of an E.Coli infection, which she got of the abortionists infected instruments.
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As you wish.
Also, my apologies. She never requested an abortion on her deathbed at all. My mistake.
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I'd prefer a more medical orientated site.
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Anything that isn't biased.
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Asking for a non-biased source is kind of like asking the moon these days. But, as you wish.
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I think you will find the part about how an abortion likely wouldn't have saved her life quite interesting.
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The Independent is a right wing newspaper last time I checked.
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All right, enough is enough. I gave you two sources, and after you have rejected both, I can only conclude one of three things. Either I have punched a serious hole in your argument and you refuse to admit it, you want me to only use sources that will back up your perspective alone, or both are true at the same time.
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I don't trust sources that are either far right or far left on the political ladder, they are biased. Scientific sites are accepted. I'm still waiting to hear from you who I voted for in 2010 seeing as you know so much about me.
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Given 2010 was a midterm election, and that its not kosher to reveal where you live on the internet, I don't think that's a question I can answer. I'll just say that I'm pretty sure that you and most other social engineers vote liberal, because liberals are usually the only ones who dare to be so arrogant.
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Way to assume that I'm American. Did you know that abortion exists outside of America?
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Incidentally, did you assume I was from the UK?
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Nope, all I had to do was look at your profile and see that you aren't from the UK.
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Then surely the only reason you could have asked such a question was for potential discrediting?
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Nope, I thought it was general knowledge that the UK elections happened in 2010. Clearly not.
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Ah, well, enough of that misunderstanding, then.
On that note, I will say this. IF Savita was denied an abortion on the grounds that "this is a Catholic Country", then the fault lies with that hospital, not Irish society, government, or Church. IF that hospital denied her an abortion on that basis, they actually violated Irish law. Irish law permits abortion to save a mother's life.
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My apologies. I did not look at your profile.
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You know what's truly sickening? Ignorance of the facts. There is NO condition that requires the foetus' death to save the mother. An abortion would have killed that woman faster as it would have released the infection into her blood faster - if the foetus was indeed the source of the infection. There is even evidence coming out now that the pro-abortion groups recieved info ahead of schedule and the woman didn't even ask for an abortion.
Abortion is the direct killing of the foetus. There is nothing in Irish law or even Catholic teaching which would denied her treatment for blood poisioning, or any condition for that matter. It only stipulates that the goal is not directly killing the foetus, they could have undertaken treatment which may have killed the foetus by accident if it was done with primary intent of saving the mother - which at her stage, there was very little they could do. All they'd have done is ensure the child was killed before the mother.
Oh, and interesting thing to note, Ireland usually has the lowest, sometimes THE lowest maternal mortality rate in the world. If you care about women, then supporting abortion will only seek to harm them. Where is the outrage for the women who die of abortion every year, in the UK in the USA?
Stop abusing this woman and her family's tragedy, its repugnant.
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Hmmm, have we got a surprise for you....people still die from childbirth despite the new technologies.
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Doesn't surprise me.
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Rightfully so. It does not surprise me either.
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"Where is the outrage for the women who die of abortion every year, in the UK in the USA?"
According to Rep. Joe Walsh, our science and technologies are too advanced for women to die in childbirth, but guess what? They still do!
Where is the outrage for the women who die in childbirth?
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The same place where the outrage is for patients who die from complications during liver, kidney, and heart transplants.
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One thing's for sure, I ain't planning on going to Ireland anytime soon.
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You're Racist.
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She/he isn't planinng to go to Ireland because of the laws and crap. Not because she hates the Irish.
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Say what you want, I'm still not going there.
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Our country is one of the safest places in the world to have children. We have one of the safest societies in the world. One woman dies in a freak case and suddenly everyone thinks their opinions are justified.
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Dang.
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