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Published: 2005-02-13 19:44:59 +0000 UTC; Views: 3095; Favourites: 75; Downloads: 142
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Description PSP7 with mouse // ~10 hours

This is supposed to be like a snapshot in the normal lives of some fantasy people. Are they a teacher dictating a lesson to a student, or a friends helping eachother write poetry on a lazy summer afternoon? Thank you to my two wonderful models, it was very fun painting you, and I hope you like the end product

Update: Messed around with Dude-At-The-Bottom's eyes, due to the demands of all you wonderful people who commented ^_^ I also made some tweaks here and there and everywhere... I like the border better now (there isn't much of a difference, but still)...


CRITIQUES AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM DIRELY NEEDED! PLEASE NITPICK! I really want to make this picture alot better
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Comments: 54

Mellindor [2007-09-20 08:58:45 +0000 UTC]

The upper boy looks soo distracted and assuming... You can say he just doesn't like learning

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meliad [2005-12-15 19:45:42 +0000 UTC]

*omg!*
u're talented!!!

just becouse u want it:
it's hard to nittpick.....
coz it's ur style, and i don't think that i can criticise ur style.

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NioTheDreamer [2005-11-23 20:29:55 +0000 UTC]

An interesting picture, particullalry the face up above


I also like the long format

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ansuz [2005-03-07 23:10:21 +0000 UTC]

I love the overexposed effect - some of the white almost hurts your eyes to look at. Fits the scene, the surreal, hazy kind of quality, perfectly. I'd almost say the colors on the skin are too pink when they should be a bit more orange to fit the overall lighting, but it adds a nice depth to the lighting, instead.

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cinderscar In reply to ansuz [2005-03-08 05:15:12 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ^_^ Hee hee maybe they just have... pink skin >_>;; lol

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camden [2005-02-28 20:24:28 +0000 UTC]

amazing!

mesmerizing! the lighting is really good! and also the natural feel of it : )

critique? uhmm... maybe refining things, like the eyes of the guy in front.. but that is a question of style, really :3

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cinderscar In reply to camden [2005-02-28 21:28:39 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I didn't do a lot of little details on this one, despite the fact that it was probably drawn about twice the size of my normal pictures. I sort of like it without alot of little details, but I'm not quite sure...

Thanks alot ^_^

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alyssym [2005-02-17 07:34:54 +0000 UTC]

Very love pieve of artwork - I am mesmerised by the harmonic colour choice you have cleverly utilized here. The yellow/green/tangerine colour scheme definately complements the afternoon setting as it divulges such summery warm and serene ambience (I can also sense the fantasy tamosphere throughout the picture). On the other hand, the expressions of the characters are well captured. There's a slight feeling that the guy in the bottom is bores with the afternoon lesson, as he appears to be absent-minded, absorbed in his own daydream. Though somehow there's a tinge of intense atmosphere since the guy on the top seems to 'supervise' him. Very very nice/

By the way, since you ask for critigues, I suppose I'll give you one ^__^. I notice that you used smudging tool to blend the colour - I have to say that in many cases, excessive use of smudging tool makes artwork look too animated and unnatural - so you have to be careful if you choose to use the too . Anyway, along with the 'smudgy' look, your artwork looks slightly flat and 2-dimensional, it requires a bit more depth/volume. This can be achieved by adding a bit more contrast between the lighter and darker tone (so that it has more difinite 'shape'): I suggest that you use airbrush/paintbrush at low opacity(instead of smudge tool) to apply the shading/lighting, carefully by putting many layers of darker/lighter tone to get smooth gradient/colour transition. Additionally, adding a bit of individual hair strands will make the characters' hair more natural instead of 'gelled' .

The next thing will be purely nitpicks by the way the character in the top somehow looks a bit lost against the bright background, maybe it's because the lighting and the background are too similar in colour. Surely, adding a *tiny* bit of contrast (make the background slighly darker) will give the character more focus and emphasis. Last but not least , don't forget that such an area of shadow will be cast when one object is on top of another. For example a touch of shades is needed for the area between the hair and the face, the clothes and the skin, etc (for the guy on the top) - so that the objects won't look like they're floating/flying.

I believe that covers nearly everything I can think of. I apologize if I offend you by criticizing too much and being vague with my explanation (by the way my critique applies if you want to achieve realism). Anyway, the way to improve on an artwork is too work on the little and tiny details that seem to be unnoticable. Nevertheless, this artwork is great and it compells me to fave this !

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cinderscar In reply to alyssym [2005-02-17 14:50:59 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much, and I really do appreciate the time you took to critique my artwork

I agree with you on most points. The hair really does look "gelled". I painted the picture all on one layer (except the background), so I had alot of problems doing the hair (because I'm so used to working on the hair on a seperate layer). I think I will take your thoughts into consideration and work on it a little more, though. It doesn't quite look right to me, either.

And yes, the smudge tool was a bit... overdone This picture started out as me going "whOA... there's a smudge tool in PSP7?! I wanna try, I wanna try!!", so I was deterred from my usual paintbrush/airbrush style into uh... bowing down to the easiness of the smudger Going over stuff to make it look sharper and better sounds like a great idea. I got kind of attached to the effect of everything sort of melding in with the ambiance of the light and stuff... who knows XD

Thank you very much!! ^___^

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FrogLord [2005-02-16 06:20:07 +0000 UTC]

Gawd, I can't believe I didn't comment on this until now! I'm sooooorry! X_X;;

I really like the final version!! It's so cool how you made person A look so shiny!! I laugh every time I see him, now.

And about my previous comment.... I didn't see it in full view. XD Sorry, I'm a dumbass.

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cinderscar In reply to FrogLord [2005-02-16 06:21:45 +0000 UTC]

Oh, and I by a mistake cracked up at him in the hall today, so I think he's onto the stalkerness.

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FrogLord In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-16 06:24:33 +0000 UTC]

Aw man, you can't let him know so easily! XD

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cinderscar In reply to FrogLord [2005-02-16 06:21:21 +0000 UTC]

lol sokay. I've been wondering when that was gonna come I mean... hahaaa. Just kidding. Thanks for it!

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FrogLord In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-16 06:23:52 +0000 UTC]

XD my pleasure.

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Tsukina [2005-02-15 05:52:52 +0000 UTC]

meep O_O you're now my new idol!! lol. I envy your cg skill X3 the bottom guy's nose looks kinda swollen in my opinion .. but ><;; meep you're so good!!

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cinderscar In reply to Tsukina [2005-02-15 21:51:09 +0000 UTC]

Hee hee, thank you very much! The model had a very large nose ^^

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ladydicapolis [2005-02-14 11:00:15 +0000 UTC]

That’s beautiful there expressions are just priceless, i'm going to do some gay quote here "you capture the essence of the moment" ha bravo!

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cinderscar In reply to ladydicapolis [2005-02-14 15:03:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much! And thanks also for the ^_^

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ladydicapolis In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-16 11:12:47 +0000 UTC]

*nods* anytime hun

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caseycasey [2005-02-14 08:29:15 +0000 UTC]

Oh wow I haven't been here in a while and I keep forgetting how amazing you are at this. Are you still not planning to continue with art after high school? God this is so wonderful - you are so much better than most of the seniors continuing to fancy schools like Pratt... jesus

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cinderscar In reply to caseycasey [2005-02-14 15:04:52 +0000 UTC]

Thaaank you ^_^

Art for me is something I do for fun. I wouldn't want to make art into a drag by going to art school. Plus, I don't fit in with the artsy-croud, only the comicbook croud, and you don't go to comicbook college here in America (damn Japan)

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CrazySkye [2005-02-14 06:02:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh, its SO AWESOME!!! You are so talented! Hmm...leme see...I think the bottom one's hand has a lil bit of a shading thing going on...I can't tell where his hand ends and arm starts on the side facing us. But thats it! Hey, what is the program you use called again?
Skye

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cinderscar In reply to CrazySkye [2005-02-14 15:08:01 +0000 UTC]

You only see the bottom of his wrist, the top is cut off by the border of the picture. That may be what's wrong with it. Well, that and the fact that there's no wrinkles showing you where his wrist is

Anyway, thaaanks! I use Paint Shop Pro 7. It's not as good as Photoshop, but it relies less on filters and cheap tricks, so it feels more like... true? I dunno

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CrazySkye In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-15 00:57:34 +0000 UTC]

Ok, cool! Maybe I'll get that program....hmm
Skye

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spongerat [2005-02-14 05:41:59 +0000 UTC]

Gods this is gorgeous. You should give it to the two models for them to use as dating-service pictures ha ha ha

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cinderscar In reply to spongerat [2005-02-14 15:08:56 +0000 UTC]

>________________<

What's wrong with Dude-At-The-Bottom's eyes? Tell me eeeevveerryyything.

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spongerat In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-14 16:23:58 +0000 UTC]

let's im tonight so i can actually converse, k?

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Slumber [2005-02-14 03:03:10 +0000 UTC]

Waaaa I'm jelous

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gundamkiwi [2005-02-14 02:26:38 +0000 UTC]

I like the border better too. ^^

And guy-at-the-bottom's right eye still doesn't look quite right...

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cinderscar In reply to gundamkiwi [2005-02-14 02:29:15 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it doesn't look right to me still, either. I'll get it someday XD

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cinderscar In reply to gundamkiwi [2005-02-14 02:29:14 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it doesn't look right to me still, either. I'll get it someday XD

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gundamkiwi In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-14 03:39:25 +0000 UTC]

Lol...No worries. I have faith in you. ^^

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Frostmourne [2005-02-14 02:03:35 +0000 UTC]

No words. Should have sent a poet. *_*

Nitpick time! You might want to consider toning down the background behind the teacher. It's really bright, and detracts from the peoplez.

That's all I can come up with. *100% Je- I mean faved.*

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cinderscar In reply to Frostmourne [2005-02-14 02:05:54 +0000 UTC]

Thanks for the suggestion and the ^________________________^

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happyfeyfaery [2005-02-14 01:35:04 +0000 UTC]

The bottom..(seth) Looks like he has a fat lip ^o^

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cinderscar In reply to happyfeyfaery [2005-02-14 01:46:49 +0000 UTC]

The model (who was not Seth) has full lips and was pouting at the computer he was working on in the reference of him I used for the face

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miaki [2005-02-13 22:25:06 +0000 UTC]

You did this???? (don't answer that) one problem would be the top dudes face. looks a bit too squished together. I think it could be that the ear is too close to the eyes . . . or . . . i don't know, but that's what i think. I love it enough to fav it ^_^ We worship mouse skills

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cinderscar In reply to miaki [2005-02-13 22:30:36 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the ^^ The model has a really narrow face, but I may have exagurated it I think that if his hair wasn't falling over his other eye, it would look better, but that's how the model wore his hair

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TaintedEdge [2005-02-13 21:56:39 +0000 UTC]

The weakest part of the picture is the curve of the bottom guy's nose...where it meets his brow. It's vaguely Cromagdon...the colors, though *raves* Oh, the glorious softness! And the hands are perfect! Gek!

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cinderscar In reply to TaintedEdge [2005-02-13 22:04:08 +0000 UTC]

Whooaaaaa that is a very strange part of his face, indeed. I think it looks so weird because you can't see the bridge of his nose (because it's white and so is his cheek). But I think I also drew it all funny XD Thanks!!

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Sugargrl14 [2005-02-13 20:56:52 +0000 UTC]

That's so good! I wish I could do that...

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strange-child13 [2005-02-13 20:45:28 +0000 UTC]

i love when you do pics like this!
it looks amazing, i love how soft the colors are.

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cinderscar In reply to strange-child13 [2005-02-13 22:05:59 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ^_^ Me too... I've only just started coloring like this, so expect more in the future! And thank you very much for the ^___^

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strange-child13 In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-13 22:14:05 +0000 UTC]

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gundamkiwi [2005-02-13 20:45:25 +0000 UTC]

Nitpick: Guy-on-the-bottom's left eye is kind of wonky. If I had to say what was wrong with it, I'd say it was just a tad too small and a tad too angled. Just a tad. It's gonna be a bitch to fix, I think, and I don't envy you the task. >_o Also, guy-on-the-bottom's lips are...well, wonky. >_> The bottom comes out just a skosh too far, which kind of detracts from his face (at least for me.)
The border might look better if it were a little more ornate, I think. I'm not sure what I'd do with it, though.

Praise: I love guy-on-the-top. He's awesome looking. And the fabric...the coloring...damn, it's excellent! This looks like a real painting, with canvas and everything. ^^ The hair is gorgeous, and the metal...wow.

Another fabulous work. ^_^

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cinderscar In reply to gundamkiwi [2005-02-13 22:11:14 +0000 UTC]

Thank you ^^ The guy on the top's model really looks like that, too. He's really cool-looking, but he's just an annoying freshman skaterboy.

Anyway, I agree with the eye thing... I gave him eyelashes and that's that golden line above his eyes... you can't really tell they're eyelashes and it looks like his eyelid is like... molding or something I'm going to +definately+ go back and fix his eyes, both of them, when I get less lazy! Thanks

His lips kinda bug me too, the way I drew them. The model has lips that kinda do that, and he was making a sort of funny face at the computer he was working on in the picture I used of him as my model for his face (love that contrived grammer, eh?). But it really doesn't look right. Arg. That's gonna be fixed, too

Thank youuuuuu very muuuuuuuch ^___________________^

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gundamkiwi In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-14 01:41:42 +0000 UTC]

I actually liked the blonde eyelashes - they're different. (I could tell they were eyelashes, anyway...) Leave them in! XD

Blearg, damn those annoying freshmen skater boys! How dare they be so durned good looking?

And you're welcome. ^_^

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cinderscar In reply to gundamkiwi [2005-02-14 01:49:34 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha XD Thanks!

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gundamkiwi In reply to cinderscar [2005-02-14 01:50:40 +0000 UTC]

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squidlarkin [2005-02-13 20:21:03 +0000 UTC]

nitpicking woo!! the whole pic seems kinda soft, no real hard lines. which looks good, i'm not saying that this is bad. but the crown on the bottom dude seems like it was just kinda pasted in there, there's a clean line between the crown and the hair. mainly in the back. and the hair in that area seem kinda... i dunno... wavy? bumpy?

aaaanyway, feel free to ignore everything i just said. it looks really frikkin' good. you were saying something about someones eye not looking goodm but i don't remember who you were talking about and both the eyes look fine. yay pretty pic!

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