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I couldn't find any stamps like this so I thought I'd make one.I am very much against the idea of increasing/decreasing or having a completely separate punishment for a crime designated as a "hate crime".
My argument is pretty simple: We have freedom of speech, freedom of thought, so why punish someone for that? Hold people responsible for their ACTIONS, not because they're a bigot or an asshole.
I made a journal entry about this topic. I'm not sure if makes any sense at all - I haven't had my morning coffee yet, but I'm interested to see what other people think about this topic.
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On Hate Crimes and JusticeAre you affected by hate crimes? Graffiti, vandalism, verbal abuse, threats of violence, physical assault? Homophobia, transphobia, religious bigotry, racism, disability-related crime? Do you know where to report it? Stop hate.
Yes, stop hate.
In the USA as well – stop hate. In a free country, where you have freedom of thought, freedom of speech, conscience and religion – stop hate.
One of the few things I disagree with some people on – including my own husband – is the topic of "hate crimes." More specifically, the tacking on of a more severe punishment because a crime has been deemed as one of hatred based on pre
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omg i am so offended! my feelings were hurt so lets punish people for saying something! ommggg kill all those who speak!
muh feelings
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In my opinion, there's no such thing as a love crime. 
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She should still talk to a teacher, even if the girls try to get out of taking responsibility for their actions by claiming 'hate crime' or 'racism' or whatever - if she can voice the concern she has over that to a teacher, I think more the better. Hope your friend's situation gets sorted out!
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That's just the thing... It's not just her. People have complained before, and since we live in the South, "racism" gets blown out of proportion and is used as an excuse all of the time. So, in order to prevent that, as soon as these girls say hate crime, nothing can be done. 
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Mm... Well I didn't grow up in the south, so I suppose I don't really know just what it's like down there, haha... Good luck with figuring it out though! 
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"My argument is pretty simple: We have freedom of speech, freedom of thought, so why punish someone for that?"
Big brother wants us to remain dependent upon him as much as possible, even if it means using the legal system to manipulate the impressionable. It's gotten to the point of "Well since you think that way then you're obviously going to commit a crime related to such barbarianism." Today's norm is "if you think about it... 100% of the time you're going to do something about it." Doesn't matter what it is? Someone could not like homosexuals but still accept the fact that "Hey, they're here to stay so I can't do shit about it."But there's going to be someone criticizing them with "Well then since you dislike them so much then you obviously want to kill them." People have different levels of "hate", but that doesn't mean the smallest amount of dislike towards something or someone is going to make them go gung-ho on what they detest and obliterate it from existance. We're already letting the government be the deciding factor with matters involving the private sector like Gay Marriage, birth-control, etc ( I know, completely unrelated but you get the point). If New York can decide amongst itself to legalize gay marriage, why can't other states settle an issue themselves? Same with the other issues currently on the presidential nominee debate table.
I'm sorry, I feel that a good portion of those shouldn't be discussed by those racing for the presidential chair (especially with the up and coming mudslinging that'll definitely go down). I have enough faith in the private sector since it already proved that "Hey, we can decide shit for ourselves without Uncle Sam calling all the shots, quit treating us like we're a bunch of incompetent dolts."
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You bring up some good points, it does feel like it's gotten to the point where the government is acting more like a concerned mother than a government. I was always taught that there were the basic rights, like speech, religion, press, fair trials, protection against unreasonable searches/seizures, etc, and that the rest was pretty much up to the states to figure out for themselves.
It just seems like everything has become an issue to the government these days - things that these idiots running for office keep on complaining about - birth control, abortions, gay marriage - all stuff that should fall to the states, and not truly be the focus of any presidential debate. Bleh.
Anyway, I agree - if you have rights, you shouldn't be punished for exercising them - a point which just doesn't seem to sit well with some apparently :/
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Hate speech is the identification of a particular group of people and painting that group as the linchpin of the ill(s) of society. It is rhetoric that suggests that through the (usually violent) removal (through killing, genocide, etc) of that group of people the problems can be solved. Hate speech paints a target for the mentally unfit and/or otherwise stable members of society to take action against that group of people. The worst case on an individual level results in shootings and massacres. The worst case on a national level is genocide and states like Nazi Germany. Laws against hate speech are merely enforcing a standard of sanity in the discourse and if one wishes to participate they must be able to formulate thoughts other than “eliminate (insert group of people here) and the problem is solved”.
Too much of a good thing can turn out to be bad, even a freedom.
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That is true, I suppose the term 'moderation in all things' applies to that as well.
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Exactly! It's not illegal to be racist, it's illegal to discriminate/attack people/etc.
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But, no one is allowed to hate! Don't you understand?! /sarcasm
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I agree, but thoughts lead to actions so therefore I believe in nipping things in the bud.
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How would you propose nipping things in the bud? You can't make thoughts illegal - if you could, all of the people in the Westboro Baptist Church would be in prison already.
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying that people should be properly informed not have their thoughts banned. I want those bastards in prison! They deserve it as well as the oh so horrid Hell they condemn everyone to.
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I'm not quite sure that I'm understanding what you mean - you want the Westboro people in prison because they express their religious views?
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It's not their religion that I hate. It's how they go about expressing it. There's always a smarter and more gentle way of going about things, but they love and relish in being horrid human beings. So if that makes me wrong, I'd rather be wrong!
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Oh, I agree, it's a very harsh and uncomfortable way to go about expressing their opinion, but there's hardly anything illegal about it - in fact, it is their right to be able to do things the way they have. I'm not defending their actions - they're despicable and terrible, I absolutely hate them and their message - but they still have the right to be jerks.
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You're preaching about how much you hate your own country and that all of us are going to Hell(treason), you are violating a soilder's burial with a protests(attack against an American soldier. Come on that's pretty up there. Not as bad as pissing on a president's grave, but up there.), forming a dangrous occult, and you want to tell me they aren't doing anything illegal? Though they have the right, you know as well as I do that you can only push your rights so far before the government finds a way to take legally them away from you. And as I can see from your comment I know you're not definding them, but they honestly need to stop. If they come in my state, perferably my city, we use our right to bare arms! Many rational people I know will not hesitate to kill them. Protest on my property, I'll say it's harassment and shoot all of them dead. And I don't care if the goverment traces the murder to this comment. AMERICAN LAW ENFORCEMENT I WILL KILL THEM IF THEY COME NEAR ME!!! So there's their proof. And just like they have their rights I have mine. If I can't sue them for harassment, I'll take matters into my own hands. America will cheer for my actions!
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Thoughts lead to actions. If they can gather resources to travel the coutry and spread hate there isn't much stopping them from actually taking up arms now is it. I'm honestly waiting for that. Government can have fun that day.
So verbal assualt isn't a crime now? I'm a person who can take quite a few hits when it comes to words and brush them off, but some people can't. Especially a mourning family over their dead family member.
Yeah that's the word I was looking for thanks! =3 But my point in this is valid nonetheless.
I'm saying they need to be stopped before the entire community gets slaughtered by people of an equally driven cause to stop them. I'm not speaking just out of my pure malice towards them, but for the kids who have been raised with the hate. They don't deserve it for what their ancestors taught them.
I'm not going to sit and lie to everyone and say I'm in love with my nation. There are things(very minor) that I don't like. Government isn't perfect, but I still love where I live. I'm safe, content, happy, and financially stable. These people are just... WORDS!!! I can't even begin to say how horrible these people are! D:<
If I can get away with it. I don't care about the wisest thing to do. It means they'll either wise up and stay away from my state or my family, get a clue and stop the animosity, or if they come back I have another gun. 
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You're right - people shouldn't be trusted to have thoughts that lead to actions. I mean, if Bill Maher has the resources to spread his disapproval of the republican candidates this year on TV, what's to stop him from punching Mitt Romney? What's holding him back from killing Rick Santorum? While we're at it, if so many people hate Twilight, what's holding them back from mercilessly slaughtering Twilight fans, or killing Stephenie Meyer? I mean, thoughts lead to actions, right? And if they have the resources to do something, I mean... it's obvious what the next step is! They'll obviously do it, just because the option is open to them!
Assault is defined as the threat or attempt to strike another, whether successful or not, provided that the target is aware of the danger.
A protest outside a funeral is not assault. A protest is not a threat to strike another person. Saying bad things about a group of people is not assault. It's somebody being a dick. It's someone exercising their rights to free speech. It's someone exercising their rights to peaceably assemble. They might not have anything nice to say, but that does not take away their rights to do so.
I understand the frustrations behind people who dislike Westboro. I dislike them as well.
But what you are saying is that it is okay to stop a 'hate crime' - WITH a hate crime.
Targeting this group of people, this religious group, and slaughtering them because they are living life different to how we live our lives, killing them because they have different opinions that we do not agree with, is, by the very definition of "hate crime," a hate crime.
There are terrible people in our country. There are awful people, people who say things that incite hate, people who say things that we do not agree with, people who protest funerals and condemn others to torturous afterlives just because they're gay, a soldier, or both.
But it is their right to be able to voice their opinion, just as it is yours. It is their right to protest, just as it is yours. You cannot take that right away just because their thoughts might lead to actions.
The moment you do is the moment you take away the fundamental rights that our country was founded on.
Right to free speech? Poof.
Right to freedom of religion? Poof.
Right to peaceably assemble? Poof. Gone.
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Every human is capable of murder. Under the right amount of stress, emotion, mental stability, or other MOs Mr. Rodgers would kill someone. Yeah, some people won't do something if their pushed, but some people do. Peer pressure or other method of pressure.
Ugh, forget it. DX I get where you're coming from though.
I'm not acting out via a hate crime. How is stopping a hateful group a hate crime. How is MLK stopping racism or the KKK a hate crime. Yeah, let's deny black people the right to vote. We're not doing anything evil! 
Hey I'm not going to kill them unless they're near me. Stay off of my internet, television, my neighborhood, or anywhere around me. I've paid for it so leave me to my own devices. I don't need to watch Family Guy one second and the news interupts it to announce what these pricks are doing in North Dakota! :\ I consider words an assult and interupting moments of my life indirect assault. It doesn't need to be physical. That's why we have things like sociology and psychology.
I'm not denying anyone their right to do as they please, but I know I'm right when there is a better way to go about speading beliefs. So if a pedophile or a rapists thinks about gettin a defenseless girl they see walking to school every day, but don't do it they aren't wrong. You want the girl to be raped before she gets justice. "Mommy, the man three doors down was looking at me from his truck again. What should I do?" The fuck?! D:< Come on now! Some things REALLY need to be nipped in the bud. Send the sick fucks to rehab or something.
They are abusing the rights that we have. They deserve to have them taken away. You spread horrid slander towards the presidet, the military, the government, and the citizens and you think they deserve to keep the rights of the nation they're harrassing?! I'm sorry, how does that make any sense! DX
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That's fine that you wish to keep this negativity of theirs out of your life - but you can't justify taking away their rights to free speech just because they say interrupt your cartoons or end up on the radio. And it's not assault.
According to the law, assault is as I said before, the threat or attempt to strike another. Assault is not 'words' and 'interrupting moments of my life'. If words interrupting moments of my life WERE assault, people would be suing the companies that advertise during TV shows. People would be getting charged for interrupting someone halfway through their sentence. It's preposterous and it doesn't have any legal merit.
I agree that there are better ways to spread beliefs - including just avoiding spreading them at all. But this option is open to them, and they're using it. It's their right. It is guaranteed by the first amendment that they are allowed to do these sorts of things.
Comparing a pedophile stalking a child (an action - a crime) to someone protesting against something they don't agree with (free speech - freedom to assemble)is just silly. It is a completely different situation altogether.
The Westboro Baptist Church may be abusing the rights that they have, but that does not mean that they deserve to have them taken away. We might not agree with what they have to say, but the fact of the matter is that they are not committing any crime by protesting. They are not committing any crime by speaking their mind.
We forfeit our status as a free country if we take away those rights just because we disagree with what they have to say.
That being said, I feel like this discussion has sort of gone off track, lol.
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The pedophile is looking that's an action. They're speaking which is also an action. It's what they are doing. If they weren't doing anything they would be staying put 24/7 if you want to get technical.
So bashing on a LGBTA isn't a crime? That's discrimination which is against the law. A white teacher could lose their job for calling a black student the N-word so tell me that they couldn't get punished. Yeah the white teacher calling his/her student the N-word is obviously not a hate crime and they're just stating what they believe to be true.
I guess so. Whatever... -.-
Yes it has! Sorry I just can't stand hearing about those people! DX
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Yes, but my point is that by doing those actions that are required to be classified as stalking, he is committing a crime - which deserves to be punished. That is not the same thing as thinking about it - which is not a crime, and does not necessarily warrant legal punishment.
Physically bashing members of the LGBT community is a crime.
Verbally bashing the LGBT community is not a crime. If it were, thousands of regular, non-Westboro church pastors would be in prison.
You are basically arguing that nobody has self-control.
I am not arguing that there aren't consequences to people's actions - in fact, that is the very basis of my argument. You cannot punish somebody unless they have committed a crime.
Taking away first amendment rights because the thoughts someone is expressing might cause someone to go bash up a member of the LGBT community is wrong.
A white teacher calling his/her student the N word is not a crime in the sense that you are saying. It is an offense according to the rules inside that school, one worthy of being fired over, but it is not a crime in the sense that the teacher will go to prison because of it.
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But they aren't just thinking they're acting. Doing going about doing hateful things.
Okay, okay. You've got a point. :\ Sheesh, I quit.
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Fancy seeing you here.
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I hate it when people say "Being gay is a crime agenst humanity and should be locked up."
Should we lock up all Autistic, ADHD and other people who think diffrently?
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Nope! The joys of living in a country with freedom of speech, thought, and religion.
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EXACALLY! When The south and the westbro methidoes church well understand that is beyond me.
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