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Description Ok. Last one for a while on this topic. I promise. Well I mean I'll try.

This is just to illustrate the cyclical argument of the Bible. ... Yup.

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bonecrusher56 [2014-05-20 07:46:58 +0000 UTC]

The logic used here is the same for the koram

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Limnoria [2013-09-27 03:00:37 +0000 UTC]

I have actually seen this referred to as the "Circle of Power."

More like the circle of

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Nidobunny In reply to Limnoria [2015-05-16 17:57:40 +0000 UTC]

Indeed

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Verixas92 [2012-06-04 03:06:36 +0000 UTC]

This is same logic that naturalistis use to prove naturalism is true, and evolutionists to argue that morality is evolutionary.

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ShnarfBird [2012-04-02 23:01:01 +0000 UTC]

The bible is only 80% true.
That's why we have the rest of the Scriptures.

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Xenomaster In reply to ShnarfBird [2018-03-26 09:56:03 +0000 UTC]

80%?! That is warenting of a citation as that is complete bogus

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-02 23:57:33 +0000 UTC]

But wait, I thought it was the Word of God!

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 00:06:29 +0000 UTC]

There were some mistranslations along the way.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 00:45:46 +0000 UTC]

So how can you be sure any of it is accurate?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 00:59:05 +0000 UTC]

Because I know what is wrong.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 01:08:44 +0000 UTC]

Are you God?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 01:30:06 +0000 UTC]

No I am not. I am simply a man who knows which are mistranslations and which are not.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 01:47:08 +0000 UTC]

I'm guessing that everyone else who says the same thing is wrong. You're working on your correctly translated version of the Bible, right? I mean, how else will everyone know what parts are correct and what parts aren't?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 01:49:35 +0000 UTC]

I dunno about "Correctly translated"
Because a lot of the errors are caused my mistranslations, therefore, those parts are not correctly translated.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 01:58:56 +0000 UTC]

So if it's possible for any of it to be mistranslated, how can you say with any certainty that 80% of it is true?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 02:05:18 +0000 UTC]

Because I know which parts are mistranslated.
For example: A tree so tall that the whole world could see? Pu-lease! The tree was probably simply very large!

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 02:25:44 +0000 UTC]

Oh, certainly! But, based on that, how can you know which parts were mistranslated and which parts weren't? I mean, there's plenty of pretty crazy stuff that is described in the Bible, but so long as you're questioning whether or not a tree was visible to the whole world, where do you know when to stop?

Did the snake in Eden actually talk?
What about Eve, was she really made from only a rib?
What about Adam himself, wasn't he made out of mud?
What about Noah's ark? Did he literally take 2 of every animal in the entire world?
Did he really care for 32,000 animals or more?
What's up with them living to be nearly a century old?
Or what about Jesus, was he really born of a virgin?
Did Jesus really heal the sick?
Could he really turn water into wine?
Could he really walk on water?
Can asses really talk?
Did Jonah really live inside a whale/great fish?
Did God really send two bears to maul 42 children to death because Elijah put a curse on them for making fun of his baldness?
Did Lot's wife really get turned into a pillar of salt for looking at the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Or were all these stories just mistranslated? How can you say that you know with certainty exactly what percentage of the bible is true or false? Can you see how you're falling into the same cyclical argument style that I am talking about in this stamp?

Only 80% of the bible is true.
Because I said so.
Because I know which parts are mistranslated.
Because only 80% is true.
Because I said so.
Because I know which parts are mistranslated.
Because only 80% is true.

And so on and so on.

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 02:45:38 +0000 UTC]

1. Who knows?
2. No. She was made the same way Adam was, by evolution.
3. See above.
4. Not sure.
5. See above. Also, there were probably less animals in his time.
6. Lifetimes were longer in their time, because they led healthier lives.
7. No. He was the son of god, but he had a genetic father as well. Don't ask me how this works, it just does.
8. Yes. We don't know how.
9. Who knows?
10. Yes. We don't know how, though. Possibly a extremely beefed-up version of what water skimmers do, by using surface tension. That's just my theory, though.
11. Nope! (I don't remember which part of the bible this was in, so I don't know which person the donkey was talking to) But God could have planted what the donkey WOULD have said if it COULD have talked into the minds of whoever was around.
12. I don't know.
13. No. God believes that children are pure, and that the mistakes they make are easily forgiven.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 02:53:35 +0000 UTC]

Lol, well you're just full of all the answers aren't you?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 02:58:13 +0000 UTC]

Well, most of them are "I don't knows" because I can't dismiss something, but I can't confirm it either.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 03:17:10 +0000 UTC]

Then why bother saying that you know that 80% of the bible is true? Just wondering.

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Nekromanda In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 03:25:23 +0000 UTC]

Do you have proof that 80% of the bible is true?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 03:19:16 +0000 UTC]

You misunderstand me.
80% of it is true, 10% of it is I don't know, and the rest is untrue.
Because I will only go with what I am certain of.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 03:25:47 +0000 UTC]

Do you have proof that 80% of the bible is true?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 03:32:20 +0000 UTC]

I exist, don't I?

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 03:34:43 +0000 UTC]

That is not proof of anything other than your existence.

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-03 03:39:44 +0000 UTC]

Something would have had to create the universe with science, wouldn't it? Or else I wouldn't exist.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-03 03:43:18 +0000 UTC]

Sure, that's possible. But how can you claim to know what happened at the beginning of time? There is no way for you or anyone else to know what happened when the universe was created. And yet somehow, people claim they do.

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-04 19:43:21 +0000 UTC]

I don't know.
The same goes for you. How can you claim to know what didn't happen? Unless I'm misinterpreting you, and you're one of those "Maybe" people.
...
please don't hate me

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-04 23:47:59 +0000 UTC]

I don't hate you, don't worry, haha.

I would never claim to know what happened, because it is literally impossible for us to know at present time. The best we can do is take educated estimates based on what evidence we can find, observe and record using science. They have some very interesting theories out there, stuff just blows my mind to think about.

There's nothing wrong with saying, "I don't know." I'm not ashamed to say it, either. I don't know what happened at the beginning of the universe (if there even was one). I don't know if we'll ever know with certainty what did happen. And that's okay!

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-05 16:02:05 +0000 UTC]

Well yeah.
I'm making an educated estimate.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-05 23:05:26 +0000 UTC]

Educated based on what evidence?

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-05 23:11:49 +0000 UTC]

Okay.
You know how the universe was created by a large explosion of matter from a central point?
How would that have existed if there was no God?
Need I tell you more?

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-05 23:44:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, yes. In order for you to prove that God (and the Christian God in specific) was the creator of that central point of the Big Bang, you'll have to provide scientifically measurable proof that there exists a God. You can't just wave your hands and say, "How else would it have happened?" Because there are an infinite amount of ways that the universe could have begun, and scientists have gone about making more than a few theories about it, based off of scientific evidence and calculations. I mean, it's just laziness to say, "Oh, well I can't explain it, God did it!" The proper human response would be, "Oh, well I can't explain it, better try and figure it out!"

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-06 00:57:24 +0000 UTC]

I'm just guessing, see, but I have confidence in my guess.

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-06 05:17:43 +0000 UTC]

Yes, but there's a difference between making a guess based on evidence and making a guess based on belief and confidence.

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-10 20:53:06 +0000 UTC]

Why not a little bit of all three?

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-11 08:16:43 +0000 UTC]

Well, in order to have confidence and I suppose belief in something, some, if not most people, require evidence; evidence which, in the case of the universe being created specifically by the deity found in Christianity, is nonexistent.

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-11 17:47:47 +0000 UTC]

How can a universe just happen to exist?

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Nekromanda In reply to ShnarfBird [2012-04-11 23:59:59 +0000 UTC]

I don't know. And there's nothing wrong with saying "I don't know."

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ShnarfBird In reply to Nekromanda [2012-04-12 00:06:05 +0000 UTC]

I guess so.

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Berserkeroo [2012-03-02 23:29:55 +0000 UTC]

People who use religion as a reason to control another person's life is just wrong.

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ethanoI [2012-03-02 05:10:00 +0000 UTC]

Narrow-minded and insensitive >_>

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PrincessFlaw In reply to ethanoI [2012-03-02 14:30:26 +0000 UTC]

Christians? Yes, they are.

But really, the bible is the word of man.

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ethanoI In reply to PrincessFlaw [2012-03-04 05:19:05 +0000 UTC]

I know...it's just the way the world is

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RemLezar [2012-03-01 12:43:57 +0000 UTC]

This is the same logic I use to prove Star Trek is real to all my friends. Never fails.

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AkatsukiChild In reply to RemLezar [2012-03-03 01:14:42 +0000 UTC]

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Nekromanda In reply to RemLezar [2012-03-01 22:51:12 +0000 UTC]

Haha XD

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vorefan2 [2012-03-01 05:24:56 +0000 UTC]

LIES!

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Nekromanda In reply to vorefan2 [2012-03-01 05:26:35 +0000 UTC]

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