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Published: 2009-08-14 15:43:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 2855; Favourites: 48; Downloads: 23
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From what I've heard, the health care bill says nothing about reproductive rights. Of course this is cause for concern, but, from what I've been seeing, the people who argue about this issue seem to only bring up abortion and if it's covered. Either way, it's pathetic because, if it IS mentioned, then we will be forced to pay for them even if you're pro-life. (It's a government run plan, so our tax dollars would pay for it if they don't already)Apparently the destruction of life and the right to hump-and-dump is more important than maternity coverage. What a world...
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I would say technically speaking, because abortion, like surgery, is a medical procedure.
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Young girl named Lia Mills speech for stop abortion, please watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUb6iā¦
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why shouldn't it be a health care issue? it falls under the category of medical procedures, so it makes sense for people to lump that subject in with the rest of their conversations about health care in general.
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Good, because I don't feel too bad about somebody accidentally ripping herself from the inside out while attempting a home abortion.
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Yeah.Ā People do abortion because they're evil baby killers.Ā Not because they have a condition that would kill them if they give birth.
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What about ectopic pregnancy? The amniotic sac can cause the Fallopian tube to rupture, and the mother could die from internal bleeding. Is it not a healthcare issue then?
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Barack Obama: Planned Parenthood's Token Black.
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That is because most of the people having an abortion are young. Teenagers. They can't pay for that bill immediately. But neither can they pay for having the baby...
So this is kind of an impasse which gets you nowhere. People shouldn't be making a fuss about everything, you are not paying for all abortions. You pay for helping people who are dying and people who need medicine, which is like 99,9%. The money that pays for abortion could well have been someone else's.
Oh and you kind of pay for yourself, but in advance. So if you don't have an abortion, you don't pay really for one. They end up paying their own abortion, but not all in once. Just divided over several years.
And people must know that its not only people who have sex and don't care. Also many children and women who have been raped. You can't help it that the rapist didn't wear a condom, right? I agree on the fact that people should use birth control instead of having abortions, but sometimes you don't really have a choice.
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I don't want to pay for war. But I gotta. So why is paying for abortion such a big deal?
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The whole "don't want an abortion, don't have one" doesn't work out in other places like America. Take China for example. She's forced to have One baby, and if she becomes pregnant again, she's forced to have an abortion. Not only that, she will lose her job, probably have to go a labor camp( don't blame me, watch PBS), and probably have surgery done on her reproductive organs so she won't be able to have kids ever again.
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Plus, most of the hospitals in this country is ran by the Catholic Church. What will happen if the health care plan is passed? Closure of hospitals and the plummeting of health care, as well as unemployment rate sky-rocketing because a) employees will refuse to accept it and b) doctors and nurses will quit as well.
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They shouldn't be doctors/nurses if they aren't willing to help people
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Yes they do. Besides, all they do is give people medical coverage and charity organizations, such as St. Jude. Everything else is left to doctors and nurses, Catholic or non. My point on this, the Health Care law contradicts the teachings of the Catholic Church, to which they are taking action against the government as we speak.
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"Destruction of life" so it's okay that tax dollars support deforestation and hunting but not abortion... Hmmmm I guess only SOME life is sacred amirite? Oh and "hump and dump" because CLEARLY choosing to get an abortion is as easy as deciding to take out the trash. I'm sorry have you ever seen a woman consider this option? Spoken to them? They are NOT all heartless bitches for making what IS in some cases a responsible decision.
Or you know they can always dump after the nine months or through. Clearly that's SO much more responsible oh and all babies get adopted. There ARE no unwanted children in the world so let's just make more until the earth can't sustain life anymore.
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I have spoken to women who have considered abortions.
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They stated there opinions:*
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Yes and I stated mine. Your POINT being?
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Soooo you think that a 13 year old girl who's father rapes her and she gets pregnant has to keep the kid then?
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I think he refers to women who willingly go out and have sex and expect others to pay for it. Personally, I'm Pro-choice but your comment, I think, was a dick head move because you inferred and brought up two separate situations when it comes to abortion. Just my input
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Actually I was bringing up one main point, a child that is raped being forced to carry another child to term. Have you any idea of the psychological impact of such a thing. ESPECIALLY if said child doesn't want to keep the child.
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Yes I do and that is why I'm pro-choice but the artist was talking about a willing person and you made a sudden change in the point to an unwilling person. I apologize about calling it a dick head move but the transition was not smooth between the two points of the subject.
Sincerely,
The Devil's Advocate.
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Well that's what happens when you try to make a point when it's 3 in the morning, my main point though is that many of the pro-lifers out there think that the answer is YES. Even if carrying the child to term would KILL the mother. I honestly had some idiot say that you can remove the fetus and put it in a test tube...
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3 AM. Dang, not even I stay up that late...anymore.
I see your point and I agree. In that case it would be left up to the person because honestly I wouldn't ever go up to someone, especially, a rape victim or a mother who can't sustain the life in her without it taking the mother's own life and making that hard choice for them. It would be up to them.I can give my support the best I can or stick to my self
Truly,
The Devil's Advocate
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I have narcolepsy so I crash out at strange hours... meaning I stay awake at goddess awful hours too. Anyway yeah, some people believe that a woman should sacrifice themselves for the child.... what I don't get is that in those cases most of the time BOTH would die... I don't understand people.
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I think I read about that at Mayoclinic or I just saw the name because I was looking up different types of sleep disorders.
Some people just don't want to accept the idea of a baby dying so instead of thinking with their brains first, they use their emotions and thus fail to consider the whole situation.
Extreme emotions such as anger and sadness tend to make people illogical.
My Home Skillet Biscuit,
ISW
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And some people aren't thinking with their hearts just their religion. If it were with their hearts I could understand it but most of these people AREN'T thinking with their hearts, like the person that thinks a 10 year old should be forced to keep a rape baby. (I recently read a thing on just that)
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Then I wonder what they are thinking with. Some I would assume are looking for control or they think know what it right but others even if it is thinking with religion have their own reasons for doing so and it makes me wonder.
Curiously,
ISW
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Honestly? I think it's a combination of, control, and self induced ignorance. They don't want to think that god, (that's not capitalized on purpose) would cause a woman to have a baby that could kill them. Then there's people like the person that actually thinks you can remove an embryo from the womb and put it somewhere else to grow.... I wanted to bang my head against a wall...
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That's true. They are afraid of the idea of (a) deity(ies) expecting people to make difficult decisions over hardships on their own (I'm not offended. I admit I have a belief in a monotheistic deity but I find my self as an agnostic.)People like that, I find, are honestly over reliant on others emotionally.(Not always a bad thing to have some comfort but still the world does not for someone's grief)
The embryo person doesn't realize, right now, we don't have that sort of technology to grow embryos in test tubes but I don't see why we would do that unless it was an experiment and what would happen to the baby after they were done... Plus it might draw strong criticism.
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Heh I'm a wiccan so right there I get flack for it.
They HONESTLY believed that we can! It was enough to make me wanna either cry at epic stupidity or laugh.
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Wiccan eh? Doesn't bother me. Excuse my asking. Isn't Wiccan based on the original religion of the Celtics? Particularly the Gaelic(Irish)?
Eh no sadly not in this day and age. We probably could one day but you know considering the world seems to be on fire and everyone seems to drowning one way or another. It'll be sometime before that ever happens.
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Among other things. I view myself as more of a witch and a Wiccan but most people wouldn't know the difference if it bit them.
Actually I think the biggest problem with it is that people would start yelping that we could be cloning those embryos...
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Why would we need clones when we have the embryo right there?
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The honest answer to that would be that with cloning we could grow organs rather then having people wait endlessly for someone to die that has their blood type.
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That's true but I hear we're are already in the process of using stem cells of making organs for those on the waiting list.
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I haven't heard that and I keep my ear to the ground.
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Oh. I don't remember where I read but I read something about it somewhere.
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Probably China... which turned out to be fake.
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I wouldn't know but I do know there is alot of research in stem cell use.
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But not in america.
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I think they are doing in American and amongst other places like say Georgia(country)
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I live in america and we don't do that because of religious fuck tards
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So do I and just because there are religious f-tards doesn't mean we don't. Just as when they found a vaccine for polio and people said not use it, they went and used it anyways. Don't know where you live in America but where I'm from there isn't much complaint.
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I live on the end of America call too poor to give a shit. I live on SSI.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
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And apparently a little clump of cells should have more rights than a fully formed human being. Yay.
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