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A common argument used by pro-choicers to validate abortion is that the fetus (or any stage of fetal development) is just a clump of cells. I have yet to see anyone argue against this point with a real hard-hitting comeback, so here's mine.The truth is that all living things are made up of cells. Trees, animals, humans.... Cells are the building blocks of life. When you get right down to it, everything is a clump or something, be it atoms or cells, but given shape by the organization of said atoms/cells.
When a sperm fertilizes an egg, they form a single cell called a zygote. This cell then divides into two cells, which then divide into four, and eight, and so on. This process of cell division continues through pregnancy, and, in fact, through the entire life span. Because of this, the average human adult has between 50 to 75 trillion cells.
50 to 75 trillion cells. That's quite a clump right there.
Lastly, I'd just like to say that, if the destruction of human life based on it being a "clump of cells" is justifiable, then, by that logic, the life of the woman you claim you want to give freedom of choice to, or save the life of, is just as expendable as the baby she carries.
Edit: Before you comment with "it's a person after birth", consider what so called ethicists are debating: [link]
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i think you made a valid point here. i think abortion should be allowed up to a certain extent, but using the "clump of cells" excuse isn't why i think that.Β
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The birth and death ratio of humans is fucking scary.
131,000,000 people are born all over the world in a year for every 55,000,000 people that die all over the world in a year.
We anti-human-life supporters and abortion supporters NEED and MUST do something to fix/flip flop this around NOW if most humans don't want a huge ass extinction, no matter the cause, to happen to us humans between now and the year 2050!!!
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You sound a lot like Darkil-Valum-Balvras.
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One clump of cells can live without being in a women body, have a life, multiple and one clump of cells is not a clump of cells because it is in the animal realm not the cells realm.Β
The fetus like you call it, do indeed emit mental capacity, but only on par of a tulip, yup a fetus consciousness is equal to a vegetal.
Another thing, the fetus use the mother resources, may it be by bounding chemicals some pro-life told me or nutrition. Btw, did you know that a fetus can be scientifically accurately called a parasite?
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i'll throw my unborn foetuses at your window at night
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Lol cook 'em up and eat 'em. Or better yet, send them to Carl. :^)
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Dude, everyone is a clump of cells. Suck it up, buttercup.
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Yes, a conscious and self-aware pile of cells that is capable of feeling pain. A fetus is not conscious, self-aware, or capable of feeling pain.Β
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They are conscious (maybe not self-aware yet) and at 8 weeks they are capable of feeling pain.Β And what excruciating pain that is... being torn limb from limb, should the woman choose to abort at this time or any later (not that abortion is any less gruesome in the earlier stages).
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yeah, if someone tore my arms off and let me die in that agony, i'd probably thank them at this stage of how done I am with life in general. Especially considering it's one of Jax's MK2 fatalities. That shit's fuckin' awesome, yo.
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"Especially considering it's one of Jax's MK2 fatalities. That shit's fuckin' awesome, yo."
I'm afraid I don't understand the last part of your comment...........?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOl15Tβ¦
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>uoΒ Ah, I get it now.
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Learn something new everyday, disturbing....but new
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Very true.Β OuO
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Indeed, now if only others can agree
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Yes but i'm not a parasite, and thats also what a fetus is.
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It's a person when it gains self-conscious. Early abortion happens before we get a self-aware clump of cells that feel pain.
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You know what else is a pile of cells 
Why are humans so special we can't even prevent them from coming to life when they have the mental capacity of a tulip?Β
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If someone doesn't want a baby, they should be allowed to terminate it. It's not your body, and it's not your choice.Β
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Actually...it's not just a pile, but we are made up of cells yes. The cells have been neatly arranged and categorized and specialized to form specific tissues and carry out specific functions.
Prior to developing organs, tissues and other things, an embryo and a zygote is just a clump of cells that are disorganized At this point, it's about as alive as a sponge, the simplest animal life form. Most abortions are going to take place before the cells form to create nerve tissues in the first place. Even when they do create the tissues, it's about as conscious as a vegetable.
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In all honesty, for the longest time...it was. It was the husband who would choose whether the wife lived or the infant. Now see, the fetus has yet to develop full neurological cognition by the first trimester, which is the legal limit of abortions. However, for severe deformities, yes people have performed abortions up to five months of pregnancy, but the infant would not live long anyways, and losing one life rather than two is a far better outcome, in my opinion at least. I apologize if I was offensive, that is the last thing I would like to be. Thank you and have a pleasant day.
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Everything is a clump of cells, including you or me, but a fetus can't feel pain until 8+ weeks
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I think that the only choice pro choicers care about is abortion and choosing NOT to carry the child.
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Here's how to change people's opinions about abortion. Why don't we make abortion legal... but your parents can still abort you after you're already born. After all like you said, we're all just piles of cells. ~ C
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You mean considering how abortionists will actually murder a baby born from a botched abortion (a la Kermit Gosnell who killed 3 born babies by severing their spinal cord with scissors) or leave said baby in an unoccupied room until it dies from neglect?Β In fact, there was once a debate some time ago as to whether or not abortion "rights" should be extended some time after birth.
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Shit (0-0) and yet these loons still claim for abortion.
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Yeah um that's kind of the point. Where cells it's not like it's offending technically your a clump of cells to. Where all just cells , tissue , and organs tied in with skin cells.Β
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You make a valid point, still I think women should decide on her own.
It's an awful topic and I can understand both pro and against arguments. Fact is, it's the women who carries around that baby for 9 month and probably care for it for the next 20 years, so she should have the right to decide. Otherwise, it's not the babies fault that it was created and is growing inside of her. It is murder, in a wicked way, but since one can't see an actual human in those fetuses yet (depending on how old they are), they might think its more ok to kill an yetΒ unborn, undevelopedΒ child than a born human.
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As for me, I think the easiest solution is to fucking care that you don't get pregnant after all. :I There are enough ways to protect yourself from a pregnancy and, even though it's the mens part as well, in the end it's the WOMENs body, so SHE should take the most care to not get pregnant since she will be the one to take the pain of birth / abortion. My body = my responsibility.
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As for rape victims, they really need the choice. I can understand if they don't want to give birth to a child that reminds them of getting raped. On the other hand, many rape victims start to love their child after all, since the child is not responsible for what happened. So it's up to the women if they want to give birth or not.
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The way I see it, for every aborted fetus, a possibly great man or woman goes with it. After all, what would people think if THEY were aborted?
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"For every aborted fetus, a possible
I see your point, but I'm still uneasy about it.
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So are animals and plants. Guess we can't kill any of them. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)
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yeah, but which is better? a conscious fully grown non-parasitic pile of cells or an unconscious parasitic pile of cells?
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theyre unconcious ....women should have the right to decide......so yeah : )
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A woman has a right do decide if she wants to carry a baby around or not for 9 months.
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Yeah. If men could get pregnant, I wonder how many of them would have an abortions. pthat sounds weird but >.>]
Anyway, Yes
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I'm a pile of cells who doesn't live in someone else's body anymore. Know the difference.
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The difference is, we can feel pain, have experienced life, and have emotion, and are fully functioning. Try a better argument.
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Actually fetuses can feel pain and respond to the mother's mood since they develop their first network of neurons and can function without her mother since the 7th month of pregnancy (but they may still need an incubator). :/
I'm not so into pro-life unless the person who wants an abortion is a little bitch who just decided to have sex without protection or knew her health risks and did it anyways. I'm, however, pro-choice when the baby is product of rape or incest or when the birth could threathen his/her mother's life and thus leave it without a maternal figure.
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I believe the woman's life is more important, as she is already alive, especially if her life is in danger or jeopardy...
The government only cares about the baby while it's in the belly, with no care towards the mother itself (those pro-life idiots), until it's born. As soon as you're born, they're off petitioning against another woman who may really need an abortion.
I'm not "pro death" like many idiots tend to think. I'm more pro life than most of them, the woman's life shouldn't be disregarded, even for another life, a life that has yet to start.
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Oh totally, the woman's life should always be the first to be taken in mind if both lives are in jeopardy. After all, who can raise a baby better than its own mother (unless that mother is a child abuser... .o.).
And totally never let the goverment get involved with abortion issues, they don't know what's the risk of the situation and only care about giving a good impression to people who are not even involved.
I totally agree with you, I'm neutral, I support pro-life when there is really no valid reason to ditch the baby, and pro-choice when factors like rape, health problems, etc. are in play.
Also little note I think late-term abortion and abortion after birth without valid excuses are one of the sickest things a human being can do.
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What about disabled people. Are they unhuman?
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