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WarriorsRewritten is a project between AnnMY , tori-oislove and I that aims to fill plotholes, fix inconsistencies, and apply proper feline genetics to the random, sparkly cats of the Warriors universe.One of our corrections was the random disappearance of Fuzzypelt and Robinwing.
Bluestar's Prophecy was my favourite novella, but naturally, it was not without flaws. The epilogue of the book was as rushed as if Kate Cary was literally on fire and couldn't be extinguished until she finished the book. More realistically, as she neared the end, the Erins realised they had a LOT of cats left alive who didn't appear in Into the Wild. So they Word of God greencough ex-machina'd it, or whatever it was, and poof, everyone was dead. Except for Robin and Fuzzy, who were additionally just absent from Goosefeather's Curse.
So, spoiler alert, we have them as proper Clanmates in our rendition of Into the Wild, so here they are celebrating their two youngest sons' apprentice ceremony, with their last litters present (Frostfur, Brindleface & Longtail), and the new apprentices' mentors, Tigerclaw and Redtail, who just so happens to be the happy mate of a very pregnant Brindle~.
Another change is that we made Longtail's father Fuzzypelt instead of Patchpelt. The fact that the family lines were so very sloppily planned out, if at all... it feels like Erin was just pulling names out of a hat to decide blood relations. The first series and prequels seem so polygamous... which is a proper feline behaviour, but these cats are anthropomorphised like hell, falling in love, being romantic and all the sort. But if you read Whitestorm's page on the wikia, each Erin "likes to imagine" he's the father of like every damn cat born in the Prophecies Begin arc.Β
So if you're interested in our canon, be prepared that we disregard a looot of the random nonsense couples. Like Dappletail x Runningwind? Thornclaw x Blossomfall? Nooo thank you!
Aaaand this is my first time trying to do a proper background since like 2013 so please forgive me. <3
Characters (c) Warriors
Designs (c) AnnMY and myself
Art (c) Iycanroc
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Yeah, one of Su's ideas I think. No longer considered canon, at least.
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thanks god you told me that
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Hello, may I use your art on Animal Jam Clans Wiki? I love this so much omg, anyways, thanks <3
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I suppose there's no harm, if you provide credit/a link to my page. Thank you for asking!Β
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This is a bit random, but well
I feel like if Runningwind had lived longer he could be a close friend fo firestar. I only read a scene in witch these two interactied with eachother but it was so good?
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Yeah, they definitely had the potential to be close buds. The only cool thing about the battle against TDF was seeing all the old characters unite and fight with their living Clanmates, such as Runningwind and Firestar.
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I truly love the background ;w; it makes it feel very peaceful, like they're all happy <3
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i would really like it if dustpelt wasn't pedophilic or incestious in warriors rewritten :0Β
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To be fair to Dustpelt the incest is pretty hard to avoid no matter who you cut it by the time of Fireheart and on the pedo thing... wouldn't cats like Thrushpelt and Brambleclaw (and depending on if you view him as a first love interest for Squirrelflight) Shrewpaw fall into that category much better cause they were already warriors or had been an apprentice for a while when Bluestar and Squirrelflight had been born, I think it even mentions in Bluestar's Prophecy that Thrushpelt had been a warrior for at least a moon when Bluestar is two days old.
Meanwhile Dustpelt was still an apprentice, and a relatively new one by the time Ferncloud was born.
So by comparison to that he doesn't seem as bad as we later see in the series and its hard to find anyone who has a gripe against Thrushpelt since he was such a nice guy but I kinda find it unfair to label Dustpelt a pedo when there are others with far larger age gaps.
Not trying to criticize I just kind of want to understand the reasoning
By the way your work is amazing
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The incest is only hard to avoid because Erin Hunter wrote it to be that way. There was never any indication of Dustpelt and Ferncloud being related until they made him siblings with Brindleface in Bluestar's Prophecy, AFTER the two had been coupled. Which is to say, making him her uncle was a gross oversight and completely avoidable.Β
When your animal characters are anthropomorphised to the degree that Erin's characters are, huge age gaps and romantic/sexual relations with close family members are as upsetting to read about as though they were human, because they behave in human ways and are part of relatable situations, or are relatable as characters themselves. That's why Spottedleaf's Heart was received as poorly as it was-- Erin only pulls the "well they're animals" card when it's convenient for them, but does not write them as animals (instances of feline CPR that are linked to human biology and not feline biology... also, feline-on-feline CPR.) They are, at this point, humans in cat suits and no longer perceivable as just cats, so Thistleclaw's child grooming is perceived, fairly, just as that.
Erin has shoehorned themselves into a tricky situation by making the clans xenophobic, and not having enough characters in each clan to avoid pairing off relatives. As such, their world-building is lacking, mostly because it would hinder them with how little they have actually stuck to the few established rules anyway (clan prefix used as a name prefix, apprentices visiting the moonstone/pool, using moon- as a prefix, the leader mentoring the deputy's kit or whatever that was, etc.). It is odd for me to think that the clans, which have rules and guidelines for everything, would have let Patchpelt and Willowpelt mate and not have received any judgement or punishment for it. Morally, it's bad. Genetically, it's bad. Why would it be allowed? There should have been rules. In a society like this, there would be.Β
Personally, I would not go as far as to call the other characters you mentioned pedophiles, so long as they never showed interest in the younger character before they were an adult. Granted, it has been a while since I read the books, but I think what was uncomfortable about Dust/Fern initially was that it was insinuated that he was already developing feelings for her while she was still considered, in the Warriors universe, a minor. Thistleclaw showed explicit interest in Spottedpaw and even spoke to her about how they would be together, essentially, when she grew up. That's gross.Β
Again, my memory may be at fault here, but if Thrushpelt only began to show interest in Bluefur after she had earned her warrior name, which acts doubly as a sort of "coming of age" ceremony, it's not weird to me. Nevermind that Thrushpelt drank Respect Women juice every morning along his fresh-kill, and does not touch the levels of creepy that Thistle achieved with a ten-foot stick.
Even Thornclaw and Blossomfall isn't weird for me, because they were both adults. The age gap is not favourable, and the pairing itself is random and kind of uninteresting, but I wouldn't call Thornclaw a pedophile. So on.
To genuinely play the "animal" card, older, experienced males do seem to be more favourable in the animal kingdom. Just so long as there is no power imbalance, and the relationship exists between two consenting adults.
For Erin, it is also worth reminding them that a lot of their audience is young and impressionable, so their relationships need to be handled with grace and tact, such as showing when a relationship with an age gap is BAD, BAD, BAD, and when the relationship is fair and built on mutual love and respect. There are plenty of couples in real life that have sizable age gaps, but they are happy and healthy, and it can be good to show that those kinds of couples exist, but-- not to sound like a recording machine here --it needs to be between consenting adults.
No problem! I hope my explanations are understandable.Β
And thank you very much!
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Your explanations make all kinds of sense and are very understandable, thank you.
And I agree on the points you made about Thrushpelt and Thornclaw and I wasn't trying to claim the characters I mentioned were pedos, its was just me trying to say that there had been bigger age gaps before.
Thank you for the clarification.
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Oh, no problem! I understood what you meant. 
My pleasure!
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Wait wait wait
Dappletail x Runningwind??
When??? o-o
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Yep, one of Su's decisions I reckon.
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Wait DappletailxRunningwind was a thing?? Wasn't it mentioned at some point that Runningwind just wasn't meant to be a mentor because he has no patience for young cats? And is Stormtail just crossed out of her life? What are the Erins even doing anymore?
Lovely picture. <3 I love pretty Brindle in the back. ;w;
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Yep, they Word of God stated that Runningwind was the father of her first and only litter, the one containing the deaf kitten and his stillborn sister.
Which translates to: MEGA ew, that's her best friend's way-too-young son...
Thank you for the sweet words! <3
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Just... why? Why establish that he has no patience for young cats and kits and then make him a father because reasons? Especially since Stormtail WAS RIGHT THERE. Why could Stormtail have fathered her kits? They didn't live anyway! It would have made perfect sense and it wouldn't be some random pairing the Erins crap out. Just... UUUGGGGGHHHHH >_<
No problem. ;w; Your art is so lovely, I had to add you to my watch list.
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Gods, I have no idea... but I mean, this is coming from the same people who HEAVILY SUGGESTED that Dappletail was barren. //rolls eyes
These authors have more inconsistencies in their series than cats have hair on their bodies... and you're right, Runningwind didn't seem AT ALL the fatherly type while he was alive. He was written EXACTLY like a friendly, and very young(minded) bachelor. Nor did he behave like a father who had lost his kittens, and Runningwind was a well enough tom that I don't believe he'd have the heart or will to just be able to shrug it off.
Honestly, if Runningwind were to father kits, I'd prefer to have them live, anyway... his family tree is distant enough from the rest that any offspring by Mousefur or her brother could very well help dissipate some of the horrendous inbreeding going on in ThunderClan...
You're too kind ;3; !!
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Despite the fact that that suggestion was given AFTER it was established that Dappletail had at least 2 litters. The Erins need to hire someone to do this family tree crap for them because they're obviously not qualified for the job.
And I mean the books at one point even explicitly said that he was not a cat who liked or had the patience for young cats. If his patience and likeness for young cats is so thin that he's considered not qualified to even be a mentor, WHY would he willingly become a father??
I was kinda glad that Mousefur never took a mate or kits because it happens so rarely in the series (especially for a she-cat), but two single non-parents in one litter? Hell, I'd even be okay if Runningwind accidentally fathered kits but had no desire to be a father to them because I can see that (wouldn't be the first time, especially in the first series where she-cats go through mates like tissues. But like you said, he's not so cold-hearted as to just shrug off his kits dying. And for the love of God, WHY with Dappletail? Have the two ever even SPOKEN in the series?
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No kidding... not to mention that family trees should have been one of the first things established, why would you continue writing your series without having everything down pat? It took us less than half a year to organise the family trees, just Anne and myself. And there's twice as many of them, and it's their damn job. Seriously, not tooting our own horn, it just pisses me off. >.>
Yeah, I'd like to keep Mousefur mateless, to be honest. She seems to fit the 'endeared to her nieces and nephews but honestly very grumpy' aunt role better than that of a mother.
Yeah, it seriously makes me sad that their family tree just kind of ended with the two of them. :/ Sunstar and Featherwhisker's, too...
And nope, not that I recall... sigh. The whole thing is like if Firestar mated with Blossomfall or Feathertail... or Greystripe had eyes for Squirrelflight or Leafpool... seriously not okay.
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I understand not having EVERY character's family lines thought out, but since we know pretty much everyone in ThunderClan from the first book alone, it shouldn't have been too difficult to at least establish parents for the younger generation. It's not that damn hard. :/
Sunstar should have taken a mate. He may not have been the brightest of cats, but he had an interest in younger cats and kits and at least had a suitable personality for fatherhood.
It's just weird. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Gosh, this is beautiful!I love all the different poses and their expressions. <3Β
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When I read that description I knew I had to watch you. All of this is amazing and I have so much I want to say. The picture is beautiful and the description is beautiful. It's amazing.
Anyway, as I said I love the picture and think it's beautiful. The characters are drawn nicely, I love the lighting and the expressions are great. It's beautiful.
Firstly, I'm happy you made Longtail the son of Robinwing and Fuzzypelt. I have the same thing in my universe and it makes more sense. I mean the Erins expect us to believe Robinwing and Fuzzypelt were mates, having two previous litters, then Robinwing getting together with Patchpelt to have Longtail only to get back together with Fuzzypelt to have Ravenpaw and Dustpelt? Uh no. The way you guys done it works better. And it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Erins had names in hats and pulled them out to decide family relations. I also love how Redtail is mates with Brindleface as oppose to Whitestorm. Fits canon better anyway.
As a final note, I'm happy you guys are disreguarding DapplexRunning and ThornxBlossom. Both are creepy pedophilic couples. What do you guys plan to do with couples like FernxIvy, PinexLeopard, TawnyspotsxWillowpelt, GoldenxPatch, etc.?
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Thank you so much for your kind words! <3
Yeah, it made no sense that Robin would just have a side fling with her mate's old apprentice of all cats. Yuck. I've headcanon'd the couple to death anyhow, and now I certainly cannot imagine them apart~. And I genuinely think that's what they do, lol. And yes, I cannot stand that Erin wants to stick him as everyone and their cousin's dad. I like to imagine he was loyal to Willowpelt through and through. Plus, it makes it all the more tragic for Brindleface and Redtail. ;3; It's not a Warriors story if there's no heartache.
Fernsong, renamed Rainsong, (and Sorrelstripe to Emberstripe, just as a side note since that's how I'll be referring to them in the future) has a new love interest, as does Ivypool, both closer in age. We actually had to bring down Tawnyspots from this "ancient warrior," considering his two littermates were some of the youngest in BP (Dappletail and Thrushpelt).Β
Patch is actually not that much older than Golden, all things considered. In fact, he's too young to be a viable elder in Into the Wild, so Anne and I had to cripple him to get him in there.Β
As for Pine... still working on that.
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Seriously, it's a beautiful piece.
I know, the relations are screwed up in canon and it drives me crazy sometimes. I know, he was thought to be the father of Goldenflower's litter I believe, of Brindleface's litter(Which was later confirmed despite him notΒ beingΒ that kind of tom), of Frostfur's litter. It's crazy. And besides, in the first series it was like every she-cat had a different mate, so it's always nice to have solid family connections. And it also makes sense for these couples. Brindleface and Redtail were already mates so who's to say they didn't have more litters? Also, are you going to make Graystripe the son of Whitestorm and Willowpelt toΒ avoidΒ the brotherxsister relation?
Rainsong and Emberstripe are nice names. I personally Fernsong/Rainsong as Ferntalon in my universe and Sorrelstripe may or may not go through a name change. Anyway, thatΒ soundsΒ like a good idea. I mean, IvyxFern is very creepy and uncomfortable. And that's probably the best thing to do for Tawnyspots. I don't have him as the siblings of Thrushpelt and Dappletail in my canon, but that'sΒ justΒ me. Besides, I think it'd be cool to see a younger Tawnyspots anyway. Β Speaking of which, I know you Anne-my and I think Shadow-ChuΒ are recreating the Warriors series. Will you guys release journals describing what you'll change or will it be more along the lines of rewriting the books? I'm very interested to see what you guys will do.
Really? I haven't read BP in forever so I'm not surprised that I am wrong. And crippling seems to be the only way to have a young cat retire to the elder's den. I mean the Erins don't pay attention to the ages of their warriors, so you will often get a new warrior from another Clan to be in the elder's den. Some that come to mind for me are Dapplenose and Shadepelt of RiverClan.
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Haha, you caught me! I was going to leave it as a surprise for my next upload, but yes, Greystripe is the son of Willowpelt and Whitestorm, not her... old brother. Yeah, I don't like that they're trying to pimp out Whitestorm. It's unlike his character. :/
We're doing proper book rewrites! Our files are super top secret, and we're trying to balance holding our tongues and leaking enough information and changes to get people's interests.
Oh yes, present day ShadowClan is up to its brim of prematurely retired elders. Some of them only 5 years at best. Total rubbish.
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Nice. I personally have that in my universe and Anne-my mentioned that she either has has Graystripe as the son of Whitestorm or headcanons it. Forgot which but it's basically the same.Β
Yes. Amazing. Just...SOMEONE'S FINALLY DOING IT! I wanted to rewrite the series, but it's a lot of work for one person. I can't wait to see it. Ever if it's spoiled, I'd still read it. Though surprise is always preferred. Good luck with it. Also, are you rewriting the whole series? Every book in each arc? Or every book in general including novellas and SEs? And, if you don't mind me being nosey or annoying, how long have you guys planned this and what book are you on?
That is also true. And besides that, this "Su" person Β has confirmed that elders who have died from old age are younger than their parents. Makes no sense. Besides that, it seems like a missed opportunity to have younger warriors who've retired early have families or play better roles. The books are messed up.
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Considering that Anne and I are working together, our universes are one in the same, so White being Grey's father is totally canon~.
It's been a longtime dream of mine too, but it's a hell of a lot of responsibility and work for one person, like you said. Genetically correcting each and every character, trying to edit or omit every inconsistency... we plan to rewrite each and every book, and we've plotted up until Bramblestar's Storm, but only just getting to chapter notes for Into the Wild.
Yes... a lot of this new information they've released, we've completely disregarded. Not to mention we've had this project in the works for months now... we are unwilling to adapt to all this new, randomly spouted nonsense.
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Ah cool and sounds awesome.
It really is a lot of responsibility. Sure you have the books for guidance of sorts, but there's five series plus a sixth currently in the works with six books in each series. Of course this is assuming you're going to do DotC. I know right now you three are doing ItW to BrS. All together that's 24 books plus other novellas and SEs. Speaking of which, are you going to do novellas and SEs? Because of how badly messed up the series is, everything is harder. Genetics, inconsistencies, ages, etc. it's a big mess.
I've disregarded it too. It's complete nonsense and annoyingly so. I mean the names are awful. Swampkit? Lynxkit? there are no swamps or lynxes in the UK. Downkit, Hillkit, Elderkit, Dragonflykit and who knows how many other names are very bad too. It's a mess. not to mention who is even this Su person. Is she a friend of Vicky? A child of one of her editors? A random fan that is more qualified than everyone else? Seriously, people have wanted to know about some of these forgotten characters for a while and this is what we get? I feel like the Erins just don't care any more hence why we're getting all this "information" and "confirmations".
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We plan to tackle each and every book... except we're on the fence about DotC. That would be done last, if at all.
Yeah, this could easily take several years. We don't have a deadline, as this project is done for fun out of passion, and jobs and school ultimately take precedence.
Oh, they certainly don't give a rats ass these days, if they ever did. Part of why I'm so passionate about this rewrite is that I feel absolutely betrayed by these authors. I grew up with these books and thought they were amazing, only to become an adult and realize they made a complete fool out of me, dishing out stale, pointless plots and Mary-Sue's and taking my money.
Whoever this Su is, I am not their fan. Not that I was Erin's... bad decision after bad decision... sigh.
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Wow. Amazing. I can't wait to read it and see what you guys do. Good luck with it. And while I'm not trying to be rude, annoying or anything and while I'm sure you've gotten many offers and I know you guys have everything under control, if you ever need anything I'm happy to help. Though I know you won't need it.
Same here. I loved the books since I was in 6th grade. I'm in 11th grade now. Β I loved the books, but as I got older I've realized how bad they are. They needed to be in better, capable hands. That being you and Anne-my
Same here. Her decisions are terrible. I mean, she's not even a Erin so who's to say all the things she said are true? I don't care what Vicky said, I'm not taking her word for anything that's not in the books. And even then I don't take a lot of those things as a canon.
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I can't wait to write it! ^^ and it's appreciated, no worries!
Aww, well thank you kindly!
No, I think the Erin's have completely lost their minds with this one. I don't know what makes Su any more equipped than any one of us to make these decisions...
ah well, Warriors became a bad fan fiction of itself years ago...
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It will be great! Also, do you guys plan to write many chapters before posting the first? And sorry for all these questions.
You're welcome!
I wouldn't be surprised. Honestly, few things will shock me in terms of the Erins anymore. I know. even if she is somehow related to Vicky or one of the editors, why is she more qualified then any of us? I'm not trying to be rude when I say this, but it's the authors who control the story, not random fans/people related to editors/authors. And yeah, Warriors is one big, bad fanfiction at this point.
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Yes, we would like to write a good chunk ahead of time before we start posting chapters.Β
And totally agree~
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Sounds awesome and exciting. Again, can't wait to read it.
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Wow...they look epic 
I just wish they gave her a different name, I hate how it's always Robinwing...like you don't have any other naming option. I could name many good options off the top of my head.Β
Oh thank you 
What the hell did those Erins do to Dappletail?! She sounded very nice in the Prophecy Begins...but in BP she is a bitch...
BTW, Brindleface looks beautiful and so does Redtail.
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Thank you!
I think it suits her; I would change the various other Robinwings' suffixes. But yeah, it does seem to be kind of a "default" name for them.
Aye... Dappletail grew up with their mom, and I do think the kits Dappletail had were Storm's. As sad as that is for Bluestar, it's a lot less messed up than Dapple pursuing the best friend's son. >>
Thanks again!
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I like Dapple x Thrush more (refusing to see them as siblings, even more the fact that a senior warrior is their littermate? Somebody smack the Erins). I feel like Thrushpelt needed some happiness and maybe he and Dappletail kind of hit it off after Stormtail dies. The white on Thrushpelt and if Dappletail has white on her, then Featherkit is possible (because Stormtail has no white on him at all).
There is just one thing I am bugged about...even though she is now a tortoiseshell, does Brindle's tabby parts resemble that of Ashfur and Ferncloud? I found a piece in Into the Wild where it said that three of her new kits looked a lot like her, except for the other one who was solid.
I saw what AnnMy has done for Ashfur and Ferncloud, and Shadow-Chu's design for Brindleface...but...
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Anne and I have settled on their being siblings, and knocked down Tawnyspots' age. We were miffed initially as well, but that was all good and well in the long-run, considering it made his relationship with Willowpelt a little less creepy, and his death more satisfying and tragic.
Hehe...
Brindleface is a spotted tabby, like Ferncloud and Ashfur. It's a little hard to tell because of the blur and the angle- can't see too much of her flank, where the stripes really become broken. The two other kittens, who we've renamed Alderkit and Tanglekit, are a blue solid tom and a long-haired, black spotted tabby tortoiseshell she-cat.Β
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Iycan...could there be a chance that Robinwing is Weedwhisker's daughter? Looking at the allegiance of Goosefeather's Curse...Weedwhisker is no where to be found. He was an elder in Bluestar's Prophecy but cats seen as warriors in the books are there...besides Fuzzy and Robinwing (I think Fuzzy may be the son of Hollypelt who mated to a kittypet).
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We have Robinwing as the daughter of Rainfur and Littlestep.
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