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Published: 2014-09-09 14:22:49 +0000 UTC; Views: 13559; Favourites: 113; Downloads: 119
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Taking a brief break from my current series on irredentism, I decided to mark the occasion of there being 1 month until the Catalan independence referendum (if it goes ahead, as I hope it will) with a map showing my hopes for an independent state encompassing all of the Catalan-speaking countries in Iberia. Though I have absolutely no connection with the Països Catalans that I know of, I fully support the calls for independence from the Catalan regions, and hope that some sort of agreement between the Spanish and Catalan governments can be reached to allow the Catalan people the right to determine their futures.I also made a set of flags and a Wikipedia-style country info-box to go along with this map.
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Basically more like a Republic of Aragon.
Catalans might like to be the center of attention but Valencians, Balearics and Aragonese would prefer using the historical name for the unified nation: Aragón.
In this case, it might be "Aragonese Federation" or "Aragonese Federal Republic" with two capitals (Zaragoza and Barcelona).
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This had a name: Kingdom of Aragon (Regne d'Aragò)
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Wow, good work, I don't want this to happen but anyway good work
PS: In Aragon, Valencia and the Balearic Islands pancatalanists are a minority, so only Catalan independence would be possible (although they're not majority)
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I agree with you totally
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Aragonese aren't the ones in charge here. Catalan are I assume.
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Haha, well Andorra is the only country with Catalan as its primary language!
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Spain should entirely balkanize and Portugal and France need to grab what they can.
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I am kind of sceptical toward the success of Catalan independence, the Spanish government will try to prevent it will all costs as it will eventually lead to Eusko (Basque) independence as well. And, well, Catalunya and Euskal Herria are literally the richest regions in Spain and letting those two regions seceding from Spain will put Spanish economy at stake. Also, there might be a number of other independence movements after that as well. I guess Spain will try to stop it and I don't think the international community won't try to dissuade the Spanish government so much as there are a plenty of countries with such issues in Europe. (I mean, the Scottish independence referendum is one obvious example and there are a number of other examples......)
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Valenxa Jaumás insirá partè dù Katalunia; (ANABEÉS)
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As someone who spends over a month in Valencia each year, I must point out that the general sentiment there is not aligned with that of their Northern neighbors. Very few people want anything to do with Catalan Independence (Although a Catalonian will surely tell you otherwise). They even call the language "Valencian" instead of "Catalan"; and most of the younger population do not care for it, they would rather only speak Castilian Spanish.
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well, as someone who has always lived in Valencia [País Valencià or whatever you want to call my land], I have to say that you're probably wrong; those things are only said to discourage us and to make our Northern neighbours forget about us.
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Well, at least the crowd I hang out (younger people, in the city) with doesn't seem to give a damn. I know that in smaller towns, and in the Castellon province many of the people are pro-Catalonia, but they are overall still a minority as far as I can tell. In Valencia (city) and even more so in the Alicante province people don't really care for Catalan language/independence except for old people.
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That's true, people in the city are... special xD I mean, most of them are descendants of people from other places of Spain because repopulations, obviously they don't truly share Valencian culture or just can't understand it (I can claim no one or a very very very few of them studied in Catalan (Valencian, whatever; it's the same), also nobody uses to check our history facts). That's how they do in the city xD
Anyway, I'm from a village in the south (actually, very close to Alacant ('Alicante')) and I can tell you that everybody there are as pro-independence as Catalonian people, and let's say we're not exactly old (actually, old people don't want to mess with politics or that things, they still remember what they've suffered some years ago).
With that I'm not saying if it's a good or a bad thing to be or not 'pro-Catalonia', I'm just saying that not everyone knows that this 'feeling' is still alive, just like fear.
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I'm not saying it's a bad thing either, just that you shouldn't be surprised when the large majority of the people (especially in cities) don't exactly agree with you.
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well, I was surprised at first obviously, but now I get used to deal with it
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Europe becomes strange, all regions wanna become independant suddenly.
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That's not sudden, that's been occurring for ages.
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Yes and in the 19th century we finally had the unification movements
and now they wanna all back to middleage XD
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well if you think all the issue with tribe being stuck together in africa has been in europe fro a whole lot longer and now ill drawn boundaries of europe are being corrected
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But they are the same ethnic in one state, one of the spanish tribes seems to be now egoistic
and wants to leave the unity, that´s not right. In Africa they made borders with no care for ethnics.
The spanish ethnic clearly ends at the pyrinäen, not somewhere in the middle of the peninsula.
I´d even see Portuguese as the same ethnic, better they unite than more split away.
That´s just what I think, not meant bad of course. I accept the other side, too, but my personal attitude is
that splitting away is wrong. Especially not when it´s only about money.
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one can say the Hutus and the Tootsie shared the same ethnicity, but that didn't stop the crisis in Rwanda from happening.
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More or less right, but they never had such a high culture as in Europe,
that tribes always had reasons for fights XD Like the old Germanics once^^
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Um no, don't think of Europe as being more cultured in that aspect, tribal tension and and fighting have been going there since long before the roman empire
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It's a matter of opportunities IMHO. See the World War I, the end of Warsaw Pact, etc. The current status of European Union is very good for those movements.
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Well I think they do it often out of nostalgia, not because it is really useful,
and that´s not good. If I imagine all german states wanna split away,
and all for what our ancestors fought for centuries was for nothing,
because of one dumb generation...ugh pls not XD Better unite with smaller nations.
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PS: República Catalana, not República Catalá. "Catalá" is male, while "República" is female. The gender of the adjective must match that of the noun.
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Aragon as a whole is neither claimed by Catalonia, nor Catalan speaking, nor related to Catalonia save for the franja de ponent and sharing a long defunct nation in which Catalonia was the big tail and Aragon was the small dog.
If this represents your hopes, you are, with all due respect, seriously deluded. Last polls numbered support for Pancatalanism in Valencia around 2% of the population, and there's a wide mass of Valencians that would feel insulted if you called them Catalans. The situation in the Balearic Islands is very similar. If there really are people in Aragon wanting to join Catalonia, I would be surprised if they can fill a pub. So your hopes go against the desires of an overwhelming majority of the inhabitants of the territories you encompassed.
Then again, I have nothing to object against Catalans seceding if it is clear that a majority wishes so. Which, as with Scotland, is not clear at all. We will see soon.
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only 2%? really? I just can't believe that, too sad...
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Also, Catalunya Nord and the Cerdanya will not join any Catalan state either.
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Nor the ones from El Carche. The place is practically depopulated, and the few hundreds of Valencian speakers it might have live in the neighbouring municipalities. But that map doesn't just include El Carche, it includes the whole freaking Murcian Altiplano. Go figure the Catalan feeling that people have there.
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