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1r0zz0 In reply to SolitaryLapTopTVLove [2014-08-27 06:36:51 +0000 UTC]

now the common line is: " while not as good as DMC3, it's still a good DMC" or "while not much good as a DMC, it's still a great action game..." the answer to this is still "NO."

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SolitaryLapTopTVLove In reply to 1r0zz0 [2014-09-13 08:38:11 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. How anyone can say that DmC DMC is the same league as DMC3 Special Edition is beyond irritating.

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1r0zz0 In reply to Gravi-R [2013-04-05 22:11:54 +0000 UTC]

NT fanboys are a broken LP... they repeat repeat repeat the same shit over and over...

but, hey, NT is itching to teases their next thing! where the fuck they took the money with 4 failures in a row? I smell of abusing of government aid to entrepreneurship...

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1r0zz0 In reply to Tiffli [2013-01-01 14:27:11 +0000 UTC]

I based myself from stuff they said to me...

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Tiffli In reply to 1r0zz0 [2013-01-01 14:37:00 +0000 UTC]

wow - they are really brainless ...

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1r0zz0 In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-01 11:29:47 +0000 UTC]

strange, I get insulted by your kind because they say the reboot have colors...

colors. legitimate reason?

I NEVER met a supporter that can define real reasons for the new one being good, except bullshit about the gameplay being better(and is not, Ninja Gaiden 3 had better controls...somehow...) better "art style" (again, bullshit, if the new one and the first one are made in the same way, because that is how you develop videogames, and then Elshaddai and bayonetta would still be better.) or the character being more "realistic" (bullshit, the game is less realistic than the first one, unrealistic magic guns? fantasy world living beneath ours?)

the only "legitimate" reason is the liking of the new aesthetics, but I hardly can count it since, always, the idiots there will continue with the "anime-like-emo-jew" bullshit. it can be called "racism" saying stuff like that, since it is only because the original Japanese design...

obvioulsy most of the argouments will end up with insult to me and my family and the internet corresponding of closing the ears and shout:"lalalala"


let's not forget that the supporters drink capcom lies as it would be water...
and lack critic observation...
and dwell in ignorance, probably not social ignorance, but a self imposed out of their prostitution towards a bad software house.

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Root-Sec In reply to 1r0zz0 [2013-01-01 20:11:32 +0000 UTC]

my "kind" we're not a race lol, but anyway it seems any reasons people have with this game being good ends up being called bullshit by people who dont like the game, oh and this game is far more realistic, "unrealistic magic guns" you say, well that's waaaay more unrealistic than lets say....a magic briefcase or a demonic electric guitar. You say people call the old games "anime-like-emo-jew" well i dont know where the jew bit comes from but its obvious that the designs in the old games were influenced by anime styles and remember people shouted angry comments like the new dante is gay, emo, wannabe so i think complaining about people calling the designs of the old games anime and stuff is a little hypocritical when others have been bashing the new game for many months.

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1r0zz0 In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-01 21:23:24 +0000 UTC]

Kind can be used to intend a group of people, not only a "race"...


Pandora's box is made by infernal technology, since hell have a technology (many times showed in the original series, just thing the Nightmare is a living weapon and some rooms in the temen-ni-gru use unhuman technology) that is different by ours the pandora's becomes even possible in universe.
for Nevan is even more easy, the life energy of a demon can take other shapes...

Dante's weapon on contrary are made from two real guns and customized to allow them to kill demons, and was built on earth.

in the reboot the guns are non realistic, and could not work in real life... I hope the game thoroughly explains how Adam Dante Lanza had these guns because if not that will be a plothole...


define "anime style". and try not to be racist.

I grow bored of this racism of american and general western people. is not that "western style" is much more realistic with flying man in thighs and idiots in a ridiculous bat costume.

o wait, the white hair? Magneto is an anime char?

or the hundreds of characters that have blonde of white hair? are those "anime"?


or wait, probably you was referring to the personality. because the "trickster" character type is not common in human history isn't it? from Odysseus to Deadpool...

wait, probably his apparel? right! no fictitious western character can wear red. not the hundreds of character from Marvel and DC that do it. and STILL do.
its not "realistic"... they would be laughted! too bad that if I see a guy in a bat-suit, I would laugh him dead, and if I see the reboot char? I would think I am in a japcon!

oh, the new one is more "anime like" than the old one. you know, because Japanese writer talk also about character like him... only better written...

if the old one would be based on a "trend-defined" character, and exist only in that trend, I could understand.
but. that. is. not. the. case.

that you like it or not Dante is a complete character. not some apparel doing stuff. the new one usurp his place with the aggravation of being a trend whore.

with an horrible jacket.

he is put there, forced on who liked the series.
without being the half outstanding. the new dante is not even on the same level of other videogame characters, if this would not had DMC in the title it would failed hard like Enslaved. or heavenly sword.


hating the new design is not hypocritical, is actually right. hypocritical is bragging of liking both the new and the old.

hypocritical is bashing the old one for enchain the new one. but, then, why this game should be any good if the old one was so bad?
if it's not broken do not fix it, but if it is so broken just forget it.




but in the end, we are even over thinking it.

the fact is simple. for how much it changes, games have an "physical" identity. this diversify titles that are "similar" to each other.

few example:
mafia is different than GTA. both are free-roaming with cars.
Fallout is different from The Elder Scroll series, both are made by the same devs.

and so on.

for how much the gameplay evolves, this physical identity is always present. think about assassins creed series. every iteration have different controls, but all of them "feel" the same.
with all the new stuff, and even other games' stuff they added, the feeling was the same. it was an assassin's creed.

the same goes with God of War, Gears of War, and more or less every game there.

that is why Evil Twin and Super Mario 64 "feels" different...and both are surreal platforms in 3d.

DMC had this feel for 4 games.

instead we have heavenly sword 2. if is because NT cannot understand that this gameplay is a bad Idea because they too much in their asses to understand it, or because they are too incompetent to design an new combat system is not the point.

they simply never wanted to do an Devil May Cry.

and I you buy it, you too did not wanted an Devil May Cry.

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Root-Sec In reply to 1r0zz0 [2013-01-01 21:39:49 +0000 UTC]

Holy hell! that's quite a reply. should remember to keep them short on comments sections like these, its just a hassle to reply to EVERY comment you've made. so im just gonna reply to the last comments you made, this is obviously a devil may cry, many of the elements that make up the game are present, red orbs, divinity statues, similar moves. Just now i'm realizing we are never going to agree (took me long enough right? lol)basically because you have nothing good to say about this game, no game is as bad as you make it out to be, i myself can admit this game has flaws, just as any game does, but you just plain out hate it, maybe because you hate to see the old series end so you're taking it out on the new game or something else, but it just seems odd, because this game is not as bad as you make it out to be.

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1r0zz0 In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-01 22:37:25 +0000 UTC]

red orbs divinity statues and moves are bullshit. just appearances. paint. easy to replicate.
red orbs could been blood essence in GoW or sometihng like that gameplay asset, not gameplay mechanic.
statues are just shops... again asset not mechanic.
moves are just animation, they do not define the gameplay itself, since gameplay is defined by "hitboxes" and input-commands.

all these you said are just skin deep. aesthetics. just like nagging on hair.

and BTW they even failed that. the time divinity is a God now, not a Goddess. red orbs are some kind of caricature, instead of a screaming Behelit, and moves are more akin of the Nero's ones instead of Dante.

and you like to think at me like some kind of pathetic fanboy that can "let the past go".

but. the fun fact is that yu supporters are more those.

DMC is dead. it has been dead since DMC 3/4. I obviously was interested in the reboot, but the lack of qualities made me "hate" it and "hate" capcom.

just like Painkiller. it have nothing really good anymore.

but the reboot is nothing more than poking a dead dog. bayonetta is out, metal gear rising will be out.

and those have quality and aesthetics as pro.



BTW. you do not make a good figure to ignore part of the debate in a debate. it is not smart.

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-01 21:18:26 +0000 UTC]

.....Uh. One thing, Sorry to pop out from the nothing, but I'm curious. Were you being sarcastic calling DmC more realistical? No, if you think it is, good for you, even though I greatly disagree, with a passion; I meant that you're calling it realistical and saying the magic guns are perfectly fine (I think it's a 'meh' decision. Bayonetta also had those...), but 'things' like Nevan and/or Pandora aren't? It's a game that is supposed to talk about demons... you know... and... uh... DmC also has devil arms such as those (like Rebellion hanging from Dino's tattoo magically, as opposed from belts and that kind of stuff. Speaking about realism and all). Is this little contradiction planned or I read wrong? Just saying. Whatevs. And if I think it, neither side can call the other 'hypocritical', but very defensive (sometimes wrong, sometimes right). And the opinions from people who like the game are not called 'bullshit' if they are legit. Of course, we will try to defend ours, and by that we will have to critizise the DmC supporter opinion. That's how 'ethic' works.

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Root-Sec In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2013-01-01 21:33:20 +0000 UTC]

Hello random person, sorry i was being serious, overall DmC is more realistic, the old DMC is more fantastical, i'm not saying what devil arms are "fine" or not im just saying ebony and ivory are not as extreme as Pandora's box. If you just look at the two series DmC has taken a more grounded, realistic view, with such examples as the city having actual citizens instead of no-one except dante. I just think some people hate this game regardless of what they read or hear, i have seen many people change their minds about this game, but others simply hate this game because they hate the idea that the old series has ended.

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-01 21:50:30 +0000 UTC]

Alright, alright~. That is true, though it doesn't make the series be more 'realistical' than the old one (I mean, the Ebony and Ivory thingie). Aaaaand DmC having citizens is... well, it's fine but it doesn't make the game more realistical than the old ones, because in the old games, the cities had only Dante and no citizens for a reason: in DMC3, Vergil had raised a tower that killed hundreds and hundreds of people, not to mention all the demons that came out there. It must had been a bloody festivl (hence why Love Planet is almost falling apart, has some blood in random places of the local, and so on). And in DMC4, Fortuna had citizens. There are cutscenes where you can see them running away from demons. If you can't see much of them on gameplay is because they were hiding or running away because Fortuna became a temporary demonic island (and the places you visited weren't made to have human people in it). In DMC1, it was Mundus' island, so... you can't expect humans there. It makes sense and it's realistical. DMC's story was filled with plot holes, but you can clear them with very plausible theories. I'm one of those who hates this game because it means the old series is over, but it's not only that. It's also the bad gameplay, the unoriginal plot, the characters... ...everything. It's not because I don't like 'change'; I just happen to think this 'change' is terribly done, and my favourite series ends WITHOUT a conclusion. I can think about lots of example about how DmC's plot is cliché and overused (the media controls us). Sad, indeed, but whatevs *sigh*

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Root-Sec In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2013-01-01 21:59:55 +0000 UTC]

Well i'm happy you can admit that, and that's fine if you dont like the game, you'r entitled to your own opinion, and dont forget i am a fan of the old series but perhaps not as much as other people, i see it more as a nostalgia thing as i played it when i was young, and ive been angry at a series ending too, i hated it when the Nolan batman trilogy ended soo i can see where you're coming from.

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to Root-Sec [2013-01-02 13:15:00 +0000 UTC]

DmC doesn't have lots and loooots of good things, but if there are, I will admit they exist, of course. For me and other people, the fact still remains that it's a very bad reboot that plays bad with an unoriginal story (among toher things). In fact, if it were a GOOD reboot with a story that looks like the original's but a bit 'different' and set in another world not very different from the original's (and with a good, if not great, gameplay), I wouldn't be be hating it. I might even be waiting to play it; I don't think all reboots are bad, but this one... ... Uh. I can think of plenty of DMC AU fics that are better and that would make me feel excited if they were actual games. But no, this is not the case, and Capcom even said that DmC might replace the original saga, and it irks me because it was not concluded and it's gonna get replaced with a bad game as a successor. There's more stuff that makes me hate it, though, but that's another story.

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1r0zz0 In reply to GintaxAlvissforever [2013-01-01 11:34:33 +0000 UTC]

IGN is paid from the fucking beginning.
the real reason is that the editors do not want to "pay" for the game reviews...so they would not buy the disk and prefer to have them BEFORE TIME, there are 2 weeks from the release date, how they can put a review? the "journalism" in this media is shit. all the fuckers should painfully loose their job. only few internet ones are "good" even though a bit an the "fan" side sometimes...nobody do the real question, nobody talks about the real stuff.

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GintaxAlvissforever In reply to 1r0zz0 [2013-01-01 21:13:53 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. Angry Joe just posted a video saying that the journalists as a whole only care about their reputation and money at the expense of lying and he shows a clip of the "journalist" insulting him for a question. They aren't journalists if they're getting paid to review. They aren't truthful at all. Only a few companies don't do paid reviews. I know for a fact Sakurai doesn't do paid reviews and lets people come up with their own views (and Jim Sterling is a fucking asshole that shows what happens when you don't pay for it.) And Nippon Ichi don't do it for Disgaea at all (IGN proves that by constantly giving the game low scores because the "graphics are terrible" and "too complicated" (they're dumb)).

At this point, real gamers have to be the judge if the journalist can't do their job which is to inform about the game. Someone on Youtube is posting that the reviewers are giving DmC a 10/10 which proves the point. 10/10 means it's perfect but there are glitches that destroy the game so that's obviously ass kissing. No game gets a perfect (unless it's Metal Gear or Legend of Zelda Orcania of Time apparently). How the journalists have fallen and I think people in the industry need to call them out on their bullshit (but fans have already did during the Mass Effect controversy. No way a game that garners 90 percent of hate from the ending could get game of the year).

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1r0zz0 In reply to GintaxAlvissforever [2013-01-01 21:31:54 +0000 UTC]

I watch angry joe sometimes.
I see his points, but sometimes he put too much of his opinions into stuff.
and I do not agree with some of his votes, but at least have the guts to say when something do not go. assassins creed 3 half-useless free running.

about mass effect 3, the problem is not the ending, but the whole story... the characters are bad. the ninja? the reapers? the ghost kid?
the whole 3rd chapter is a bad idea...

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GintaxAlvissforever In reply to 1r0zz0 [2013-01-02 04:54:36 +0000 UTC]

I don't believe everything he says but he's more honest than the "professionals". He doesn't get a game a low rating to cause backlash on him and he doesn't give all games a 10/10. I think he even brought up that most games can't be perfect especially in this generation.

I didn't play Assassin's Creed games in general but I think I understand what he's talking about

i avoided Mass Effect in general so I have no saying on anything else. I only know about the ending that was not promised. :/

In general I avoid action games because there's always going to be some controversy behind the game and paid reviews.

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1r0zz0 In reply to stevemacqwark [2012-12-31 22:03:46 +0000 UTC]

you know how many people like that i meet every day? people that start to ramble about godlike power of the "new" game engine, and the fuckers never even have the UDK in their computers! I DO!

you know, I just finished playing RAGE today, for the second time(one of the few time this gen...) and I understood something, in the end, I do not care much if the textures are perfect or the story is incredible (hardly any videogame have one, not even most RPG...skyrim have a shitty story for example: big bad arrives, you are the hero, win...) I want great gameplay. or great "feel".

that is what a game must have.

and DmC do not have anything of that.

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stevemacqwark In reply to 1r0zz0 [2012-12-31 22:42:18 +0000 UTC]

Okay.

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Tiffli In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2012-12-31 21:23:46 +0000 UTC]

i know why you would like the new game - cuz i CREATED NEW SCENARIO BWAHAHAHA XD!!! TOTALLY DIFFERENT STORY ^^!

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to Tiffli [2012-12-31 21:41:00 +0000 UTC]

xDDDDD Alright, you made me laugh xDDD That's the shame; while yours is enjoyable and actually interesting (and doesn't bastardize beloved characters), DmC's is bad enough to make Vergil cry xDDD
And let's not forget that choppy gameplay; I'm not into button-masher games (not really, I get bored easily), and if I wanna see pretty scenarios, I might as well play Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2, which is the same as DmC (button-mashing and pretty corridors) but with a 'decent' story, more or less xD
Ah, my sides~ xD

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Tiffli In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2013-01-01 13:56:37 +0000 UTC]

hehe - glad i made you laugh XD!
Yeah im the same - button-mashing XD lol, if sotry is boring - well, game loose all sense ...
Ah ... i remember my fav - Vagrant Story for psx ... same for FF12 ... Dmc3 ... and 4 ... Shadow Hearts and all funny scenes, Ghost Hunter with cop Lazarus XD! They all was funny.
All good heros ARE my inspirations . And they are oryginal and realistic.

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to Tiffli [2013-01-06 13:05:05 +0000 UTC]

Hmh, I agree. And I'm a masochistic gamer (that's why I'm even here, watching every new I can from DmC). I remember that one of my fav RPG game is Etrian Odyssey~, among others. The first Ninety Nine Nights was also pretty decent (though it was way too easy and...). This generation seems to have a fixation with dbag protagonists, even though those characters are also a veeery good source of lulz and/or indigestions (oho, like Dino and the sluts that were blowing him in that car... *shuders*)
Keep up the inspiration~, good characters still exist... even if they lack :3

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Tiffli In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2013-01-06 15:00:46 +0000 UTC]

yeah - like good old Superman or Batman, or Spiderman ^^.

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1r0zz0 In reply to MarinaEverlasting [2012-12-31 21:15:40 +0000 UTC]

hitting the wrong enemy? you was trying to do some sort of stylish game by any chance?

you can play the game and win at hardest difficulty by mashing the normal attack... more or less like in Ninja Gaiden 3...it is actually better to play it that way...
DMC was hard to beat in the first place, let alone having some stylish combat...

obviously, if you follow the flock you can love it before play it.
also you can bend reality... I remember a supporter saying me that this would had 20 or so styles... oh yeah....


if you really want to try the full game, buy it used or rent it...no need to give capcom any money....

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MarinaEverlasting In reply to 1r0zz0 [2012-12-31 21:32:56 +0000 UTC]

Hahaha, I actually 'tried' to do some 'tricks' I was used to do on DMC3, I tried to do something 'pretty' but... nope. It didn't go as I expected, and in the end it was easier to just mash the button, in a killing spee. If that's how DMC should feel... then it seems that DmC fanboys and me weren't playing the same original games... Peh. Whatevs.

True that. You can play at the hardest difficulty and win it (and have an SSS Rank) just by mashing the button. If my memory doesn't fail me, in DMC3 you couldn't do that on DMD: I tried to play completly as a n00b button-masher once after I played that horrid demo to satisfy my curiosity, and it didn't work... not only I ended the mission with half of my health (didn't even bother to dodge or anything), I didn't have enough stylish points, nor enough orbs. I got... a B, I think... or an A... don't remember now.

Pfffft, did someone really tell you that? ... ...Yeah, of course. DmC doesn't even have taunts, why would it have so many styles? Seriously. It's not like NT knows how to make good gameplay, let alone good stories. Guess some people are very comformist nowadays? No wonder my country looks so bad...
About playing the full game? I prefer not to, the demo was bad enough and I don't want to encourage Capcom to make more downgrade games such as this. I just have a bad feeling because of all the 'narrow-minded' thing all the supporters talk about when refering to the 'haters' (then again, they are not ones to talk). It really pisses me off.

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1r0zz0 In reply to Saborman25 [2012-12-31 16:53:56 +0000 UTC]

since they change the words every three seconds it can just be the angel side weapons set.

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