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Published: 2016-10-14 14:14:21 +0000 UTC; Views: 114674; Favourites: 338; Downloads: 1185
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What if Robb Stark was not only a bright commander, but a great king too ?What if he finally got married with a Frey ?
This map describes the possible consequences of this wise decision...
Main events :
- Surprisingly, even if he's outnumbered, Robb Stark manages to win every battle and has the continuous respect of all his bannermen.
- Petyr Baelish decides to adapt his plan and seizes the opportunity to weaken the Iron Throne by engaging him (and the Vale of Lysa Arryn of course...) with the North.
- Audacious movements have given Robb Stark the control of almost all the Westerlands. Having misled the Tyrell and Lannister forces, he takes advantage of this situation by besieging King's Landing with his new ally.
- After the fall of the capital, Cercei Lannister and Joffrey Baratheon are executed and the Lannister have to surrender. The independence of the North and the Vale are recognised. Ice and Sansa Stark are returned. The North takes a large part of the Westerlands to make a march for the Riverlands defense, and the region of Harrenhal (belonging to Baelish) joins the Vale. Tommen Baratheon becomes the new king of the Iron Throne.
- Robb Stark has now to recapture the North. The Iron Islands are quickly and harshly defeated and invaded. Their territories are given to Edmure Tully (and Asha Greyjoy is forced to marry to him), to offset the loss of the eastern Riverlands.
- Petyr Bealish manages to kill Lysa Arryn, his new wife, and to become the regent of the Vale. He manipulates the young Robert Arryn to get rid of all his enemies and rivals, and convinces him to make him the heir of the kingdom... After a while Robert dies in a mysterious accident, and Petyr Baelish becomes the new king of the Vale.
- Baelish has now the adequate rank to marry with Myrcella Baratheon whose betrothal to Trystan Martell has been broken since Dorne has joined the kingdom of New Valyria of Daenerys Targaryen, born on the ashes of the slave cities of Essos. Tywin Lannister, hand of the king, sees this marriage as an opportunity to bring the Vale back in the Iron Throne sphere of influence...
- Unfortunately, the king Tommen dies in an accident (...) shortly afterwards. The alliance with the Tyrell is now broken, and Mace Tyrell, who wants to be a king too, decides to take advantage of the weakness of the Iron Throne to declare the independence of the Reach.
- However, it was a risky bet, and he is finally beaten by the Iron Throne and the Vale. The old Tywin is ruthless : Most of the Tyrell are murdered, and Margaery is forced to marry to the dwarf, Tyrion Lannister.
- After his (natural) death, Tyrion becomes the new lord paramount of the Westerlands and the new hand of the queen.
- A dreadful event leads the kingdoms of Westeros (and the kingdom of New Valyria) to unite for a short while : Jon Snow, lord commander of the Night's Watch calls on them for their help. The army of the dead is about to cross the wall.
- The War against the Others is long and deadly. Nevertheless, the army of the living wins, and thanks to the Dragons and dragonglass, the White Walkers are exterminated.
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Are the Boltonβs the lords of the west march and if so how do Ramsey and Roose factor into thisΒ
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i almost didn't notice that stannis seems to still be independent on dragonstone. nothing to write about him?
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Interesting map and really nice work, kudos !
Stannis seems to have stayed very quiet, what happened to him in your alternative Westeros ?
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That's really interesting map! I love your Nordos (that's how I call Kingdom of the North, duh).
Well, which territories in Essos are under the Mother of Eyebrows' (aka Dany) control?
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Thank you.
It sounds like Norvos ^^.
For Daenerys, everything from Tyrosh to Qarth in south Essos.
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This looks pretty interesting, I especially love the story you have constructed. Though I have to wonder, shouldn't Dany's 'New Yalyria' be more of an empire than a kingdom? I just assuming that it is very big perhaps bigger than the Seven Kingdoms. Also seeing as the Valyrian Freehold was considered more of an empire than a kingdom, surely Dany would have also turned the resurgent Valyria into an empire with herself as empress?
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Thank you 
Giving to Daenerys the title of empress was my first idea. But on second thought I've realised that the title of emperor is very uncommon in this world. As you say, the Valyrian Freehold was de facto an empire, but the 7 Kingdoms too. Despite that, neither is "technically" an empire, and that's why I think it would be weird if Daenerys' possessions were an empire. But you're right, Daenerys' kingdom is de facto an empire, and a bigger one than the 7 Kingdoms : this is not visible on the map but the kingdom of New Valyria goes from Dorne to Qarth included.
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Well according to the World Book, after the Doom one of the last dragonlords who wasn't a Targaryen name Aurion named himself 'Emperor of Valyria'. So clearly the title is known. But wow stretching all the way from Qarth to Dorne, that's a huge landmass. In my opinion given its size and if it has a more centralized bureaucracy with a full time standing army then it would technically be an empire than a kingdom. Because the Seven Kingdoms aren't really like that which is why its still classified as a 'kingdom' rather than an 'empire'.
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Of course the title exists, and there is the Yi Ti which is an empire too if I remember well. But it's uncommon, uncommon in Westeros, uncommon in West Essos, and uncommon for a Targaryen (Aegon could have give himself the title of Emperor after the conquest, but he didn't). In my scenario Daenerys is building like an "eastern heir" of the 7 Kingdoms, that's why she keeps the title of its glorious ancestor. She doesn't try to take Westeros because she knows that a so huge territory would be ungovernable, even with Dragons.
I totally agree with you about the organisation of New Valyria. But an empire isn't necessarily more centralized than a kingdom. Look at the late Roman Empire, or a more extreme example : the Holy Roman Empire. By the way, the organisation of the 7 Kingdoms reminds me this one ^^. To choose between a title of king and a title of emperor is just a matter of culture, history and will, there is no other rules. However there are some rules to make a de facto empire : size, multiculturalism, or/and military strength, among other minor things.
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Empire still sounds a lot more illustrious than kingdom. And Valyria for the most part was recognized as an 'empire' instead of a 'kingdom' which makes me think Dany would have wanted to maintain the aura and grandeur of Old Valyria by having the world recognize the nation she has created as an empire with herself as its empress. Then again I suppose one could argue that the reestablishment of Valyria is not yet complete as several Free Cities are still independent and need to be reconquered. That once all the former holdings of Old Valyria have been reabsorbed, then could she take on the mantle of empress and 'upgrade' the status of her kingdom into an empire. At least that's just my take on things.
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Will the Vale be reunited with the main Iron Throne when Petyr and Myrcella die or will they remain separate kingdoms united by one monarch?
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Interesting question. I think the kingdom will recover its previous status and will be given to a new and trustworthy Lord Paramount (maybe a younger son from this union ?). Alternatively, we can imagine that their firstborn and heir will keep also the title of "King of the Vale", but de facto the Vale will join the Crownlands.
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What program did you use to make this map?
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100% made with gimp.
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Yes ^^.
And as you see his sons will rule the Reach too
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Perfect^^ nice project really
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Littlefinger becoming king is a little much but besides that I think this is awesome.
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Yes maybe. But you know in the "real timeline" he is lord paramount of the riverlands, and has no legitimacy for this title. To be the king of the vale is just like to be the lord paramount of an independent vale.
But if you look at the marriage ties, you will see that his future son will be king of the iron throne ^^. That's he wants since the beginning. I love this character for his ambition.
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Yea but in that scenario he was placed their on authority of the Iron Throne. In the books he ruled through his stepson as his regent and is currently trying to get the heir apparent to marry Sansa which I kind think is just something to hold over Harry to get him to declare Sansa the Queen of the North and Riverlands and form some kind of North/Vale/Riverland kingdom. Point is it always seemed to me Littelfinger knew his only chance at pwer was being a puppetmaster for someone else. Love the map thou. Just my opinion.Β
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Don't worry I understand your opinion ^^. But I think that he want more than being a puppetmaster. He wants to make his own dynasty of rulers. Having a good base rank and make a good mariage is the best way for that...
To usurp the Vale is maybe too much, as the lords of the vale may refuse this. But in an other point of view, the weakness of its current ruler and the ability of littlefinger for manipulation give him an opportunity to make this.
But your scenario is better you're right... I think that he wants to make this too (and to marry sansa at the end of course). My map just shows a possible alternative where all my favorite characters are rulers ^^.
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Either way its a very cool rags to riches story.Β
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An interesting premise and a good adaptation of the map of Westeros.
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