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I honestly do not understand why it would have been a problem if I were aborted.
Because in early-term, the zygote, embryo, and early-term fetus are NOT sentient.
Also, in late-term, even though the late-term fetus is sentient, the ONLY three times where late-term abortion is legal and morally acceptable are these three cases:
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Having a child is no simple matter done on a whim. It at least it shouldn't be. The couple should understand each other's wants in regards to children. If the woman doesn't want children, they should take measures to prevent it. Pregnancy may happen in spite of protection but if the woman still iant ready, she shouldn't be forced to have a baby, especially if it was agreed they will wait until shes ready.
Or they should just have no sex at all until shes ready.
If they didn't discuss and come to an agreement, ghe woman takes the grunt of bringing a child into the world and should hold the choice to keep it or not. If the man really wanted a baby so bad, he should have talked to the woman about it giving her the chance to back out of sex if the chance of pregnancy and him wanting it was too great.
But most people dont discuss it and after she gets pregnant the man wants her to go through a grueling 9 mo process she wants no part of. It's considered torture in some first world countries to force a woman to go through pregnancy.
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I'm not a misandrist,but men should keep their mouths shut on this problem.
Women are the one who will carry that THING inside them for a year,women are the one who will suffer pains,mood swings and vomiting due to pregnancy, women are the one who will finally take care of the baby.
You know however,both of them should agree if they want a kid together,it makes things much simplier.If one of the partners (e.g. the girl) doesn't want kids,the other should respect the fact that they don't want kids and they could adopt a puppy to raise or something like that as an alternative.
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Ok, a lot of things wrong with this..
Both parents are still equally biologically related to the child. Yes the mother carries the child (you refer to as "that THING", when you were once "that THING", I was once "that THING", John Lennon was once "that THING", and "that THING" is biologically human, it's DNA is human) for not a year, but about 6-9 months, to which the mother may have some symptoms to none which really justify the killing of someone who is just as much human as you are. If your comment made me vomit, would it give me the right to kill you because you cause me discomfort? And no, the woman is not at all obliged to raise the baby. It is very honorable when someone chooses a better life for their child. I have quite a few close friends who were adopted.
I agree with the second part though that couples should always discuss how they would feel if a pregnancy was to happen, and if they do not want a child, try to do their best to prevent that.
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I actually forgot about this comment.
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***Attention, attention... all you pathetic, modern-day feminists... (AKA, poor excuses of mammals)***
If you still believe marriage has any value WHATSOEVER, I assume you realize that your' body BELONGS to your husband, just as HIS' to YOU!
If you're just too arrogant to accept that:
1. Don't get married,
2. Don't expect respect or support for your choices,
3. And don't get mad at your husband.
-I'm not married, but if i had a wife approach me with this selfish, immature "I can do whatever I want with my body" business, for an issue as extreme as the abortion of our child, I'd just leave her then and there. -Assuming the stress wouldn't have given me a heart attack! (Which is possible for me)
This message has been approved by a level-minded man, who is in favor of equality, but is severely allergic to bull$#!%
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I know this is two years old, but, I love people like you, like us, who state the truth no matter how much the feminists scream 'MY SOGG KNEES!!!". Not that it matters much, but I am woman.
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i have never seen such a misogynistic, pretentious comment in my life. did you come here from the 1950s? You might have been considered a "level-headed man" then.
a woman, when she marries you, does not become your fucking property. she is still her own person, who can make her own choices.
you own your own body, and she owns her own body. the fact you'd leave your wife just because she wouldn't be able to handle a pregnancy (that from the sounds of you, you'd probably force on her) just proves you're even more selfish; you can just adopt a fucking child. adopt 5. adopt 10. adopt 20. adopt 50 and drown in a sea of children.
man, woman, or something in-between; if they have the uterus with the foetus inside, they can make the choice to keep it or abort it.
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I know this was years ago, but I love you.....
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I don't agree marriage is an ownage...BUT IT WAS AT ONE POINT IN HISTORY.
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I find marriage a pointless union. My body will not belong to my partner, this would label me as his property, which I can't stand.
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You do realize that people get pregnant outside of marriage, right?
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BAAAW. fucking cry me a river.
I couldn't give two shits about what the man thinks, the woman is the one holding the little fucker in for almost a year.
Most teenage jerkoffs just fucking bailout anyways as soon as they know their girlfriends pregnant, so I don't know who the fuck you're fooling, you ignorant ass hole.
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The (cis) man is not the one carrying the pregnancy for nine months, and he does not know how it feels. The only men that should have any say in abortion are the trans men.
If a woman* gets pregnant in a stable relationship, I believe that some discussion is necessary, but in the end, it is all up to the one who is pregnant, not the one who got them pregnant.
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It's not their body, therefore, not their choice to decide. Get over it.
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Exactly. And this is coming from a guy that had lost that opportunity once before, I don't regret it despite wanting it. I drove her to the hospital my self and held her hand when she got it done. It isn't the end of the world at all.
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As a feminist I understand where your coming from however as a woman I also think of cases where the doctors tell the the women/girls that there are problems and that giving birth to a child COULD kill them and maybe even cause the child to be born dead.
Would you still argue that it's that mans right to force a woman to go trough a dangerous medical experience ?
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Does abortion count as a dangerous medical experience? Pregnancy is natural. Miscarriage done on purpose is not, and the body isn't used to it.
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Pregnancy can also kill women.
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Just because pregnancy is natural doesn't mean it's not dangerous. You;re naive if you think so.
Miscarriage is not done on purpose
Women can die of pregnancy poisoning to WOMEN CAN DIE giving birth.
I have read plenty enough of studies that proof abortion doesn't kill you and studies showing women are capable of being pregnant after abortion
The websites you showed me are religious and religious websites aren't really the bias full of truth.
The second website says the mot dangerous complications that can happen happens
1 out of 100 which is the same risk of something bad happening to you natrueal pregnant
oh and Abdominal pain and cramping
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea?
you get that when you get pregnant to. 
You don't just throw up every day when you're pregnant you throw up almost EVERY hour of the normal day. EVERY MEAL becomes a possible throwing up treatment.
You're TEETH suffer from pregnancy, 70 percent of pregnant women suffer from gingivitis.
You get Chloasm and skin tags if you're pregnant.
Women who are pregnant are more likely to have Vivid dreams and disturbing thoughts
So just becaue pregnancy is natruel doesn't mean it wont harm or negative effect the pregnant woman.
It's not a magical joy ride.
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I'm sick and tired of people saying that men should have no say. He has 50% of his DNA in that child's body. It isn't all about the mother, you see, that child has some interests, too. It's strange how far people will go to protect choice this, and choice that, but mention the child's choice or the father's choice, and suddenly people stop talking about choice. I think that's hypocrisy.
Good stamp, I can't imagine how many fathers regret having lost their child like that.
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I agree that a man does deserve an opinion in it but if the man can't accept that the woman doesn't want a child then they shouldn't be with the woman and if they truly want a child then they should make sure the mum (who by the way has to go through most of the pain in child birth) is prepared to have children and wants one, it is the woman's body and she deserves the final say in whether she will got through all the pain of child birth or abort the child and if a man truly is more sad about an unborn child instead of being there to support the woman while she aborts the child then he is selfish and only thinks about hi gain in those sort of problems.
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I agree with your point- a guy shouldn't have put himself in that position in the first place. He should have been aware that she was going to be one of those who would be willing to abort in the first place and, all in all, dealt with it accordingly.
However, I don't think anyone has a say in abortion. Women don't have the right to kill their child (neither do men), and my beliefs say that what hangs between your legs doesn't give you special privilege.
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I agree but it isn't a child it is a foetus/ a cell until at the least 12 or 13 weeks into the pregnancy, then I guess you could call it a child but by then the woman would have had an abortion.
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The original cell differentiates way earlier than that. By 5 weeks it has differentiated heart cells, and by those 8-12 weeks it already sends brain waves that have been detected. At its zygotic stage, though, after the sperm and egg meet and before cells differentiate into different body parts, I will agree that it isn't a baby. Once those cells differentiate, it is no longer a "pile of cells" as people like to say.
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True... I guess this is just where opinions are strongly shown.
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I don't say this stuff because I hate women and don't want to give them rights. That isn't true. I genuinely believe that abortion is the death of a human being. I'm sick of people making it a sexist man vs woman thing. It is just what the big abortion corporations and our government who profit off abortion want us to think.
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I never said you were... I was just saying we should just leave it at us having different opinions.
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I never said that you said that. I was merely making a point.
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Find a woman that wants children then, or ask her for her views on abortion. Simple as that.
How about us women start demanding our written permission before you guys could obtain a vasectomy? Or we make a law that you cannot ejaculate outside of the vagina? OH WAIT, that would be controlling YOUR freedom with YOUR sexual organs.
Yes while abortion is in some sense a two way street, you're not the one carrying it. Pregnancy itself isn't equal as the woman suffers for it.
Men have always been allowed to walk away from fatherhood- women on the other hand hven't had the privledge until abortion came along.
Think about it this way: would you rather she'd have three abortions or she had three kids she neglected?
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It's odd that a lot of MRA members are also anti-choice, you'd think they'd lean more towards pro-choice as parenthood shouldn't be forced.
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And yet, MRAs are so stupid.
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Yet they go on about how evil feminists are.
is a prime example of this stupidity. They think that if abortion was legalized than infantcide would also be legal.
Then they say we pro-choicers are the irrational ones.
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Men should have just as much say in the matter.
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But it is the woman's body and the pregnant woman shouldn't be forced to go through the pain of child birth when the man can walk away from a pregnancy as many times as he wants while the woman has to have the child just because he gets a say in it.
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Put that way, you should also mention the fact that women have complete control over motherhood AND fatherhood. If she doesn't want to be a mother, she can abort, if she does want to be a mother, she can keep the baby. But the father has no choice. If he wants to be a dad, she can abort, if he doesn't want to be a dad, she can keep the baby and chase him for child support. Everyone points their fingers at the man, saying he should use protection, but not at the woman who can also use many forms of protection. I have met a woman who had claimed to be on birth control when she was not, and had two children, later divorcing the man and using him for money. If women get a way out, then so should men.
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I agree with you but the if the man really wants a child he should make sure the woman will go through with it completely and that she won't back out, then both woman and man are completely happy to have the child instead of either the mother or father walking out.
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The thing is, if someone wants a kid, they should find someone who wants to be pregnant and give birth. Don't try to force someone to carry an increasingly large thing inside their body for 9 months, to go through all the physical, emotional, and social strain of pregnancy and child birth, if that person doesn't want to do it. Believe it or not, there are still people out there who want to be pregnant and have kids--get one of them to have your baby. If it isn't growing inside you, you don't get a say. It's a pretty simple concept.
It's not like someone aborting a thing partially made by your sperm suddenly makes all your sperm useless. Testicles make more sperm all the time. If you want a baby, make another one after getting the full consent of the person you're trying to put it into, and respect that that person has a right to change their mind later.
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Sure, it is totally her decision when it comes to her pregnancy... Just one moment to think of something... I saw someone's story a while ago but I can't find it somewhere. So, I'll try to remember his story:
"She aborted my 4 months twins daughters without my knowledge. My ex-girlfriend's mom told me about her abortion. Now she pissed me off because I thought we made an agreement to have a child together. Worse, I spent buying on my kids' stuff to get ready for meeting my daughters. I fail myself as a father that I couldn't protect my girls. She made me so anger and I am done with her."
There. Any man could (I say "could", not "can") feel mistreated by his partner's betrayal... for many reasons of why men can be effected by the abortion.
I'll say it again: "That is very main point of this stamp and the another one for victims... not "Regret versus No Regret" stamps. I think this stamp should be meant for something like this: [link] and [link] Because they are for abortion victims that people support..."
I just wish this stamp is not place for pro-life versus pro-choice wars...
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I agree that a woman shouldn't go behind the back of the dad of the child when it comes to abortion but if a man (not going to say this one because the woman said that they would have the child but went back on it.) wants a child then they should make sure that the woman is okay with it instead of thinking they will want to have children and not even bringing the subject up before hand.
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Well then the father should have talked with the woman before knocking her up. It's not very nice to get someone pregnant without knowing if they WANT to be pregnant or not.
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>ask if she wants to get pregnant before unprotected sex
>the risks of unprotected sex is not implied
This makes me feel sad.
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I wasn't speaking of unprotected sex, I was speaking of sex in general. If he wants to avoid heartache, the man should know ahead of time the plans of the woman he's banging.
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How is he supposed to know if the women wants to get pregnant from him though? People lie.
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Well if a woman lies to him about that then she's pretty bitchy and he has full right to be angry at her for that. But why a woman would lie in order to get pregnant only to abort a few weeks later . . . I'd question that woman's thinking process.
Either way, he still has no right when it comes to abortion.
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