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titanlizard — Marabou Spinosaurus (an old idea)

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Published: 2015-10-28 18:24:41 +0000 UTC; Views: 3187; Favourites: 43; Downloads: 2
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Description Here we go again, another speculative drawing.

As you may heard already, there are (there always were some anatomical issues by other experts) some problems around the Nizar Ibrahim Spinosaurus neotype. We know now the insanely strange proportions were caused by the "chimera effect". So the collected fossils contained Sigilmassasaurus fossils as well. Ibrahim was refering to the Spinosaurus B specimen which had a similar foot anatomia. But we know since that Spinosaurus B was a Sigilmassasaurus, and obviously that means the neotype contains pieces from Sigilmassasaurus as well.

So there were at least 2 Spinosaurids that existed in Kem Kem.

This also means that now once again the Scott Hartman version is the most valid one. But also the still fregmentary knowledge about this creature allow us to speculate widely.
Before the neotype, I used to have a speculation about Spino. I believed Spinosaurus was so massive compared to its other cousins, because even if it had almost the same piscivorous features as them, perhaps it was more terrestrial and prefered a little bit larger prey, like a Marabou (even if the fish in the rivers were also very big, but whatever). If we had only the bones of Marabou, we would thing it was as nice looking creature as a regular stork and probably feeding on small fish and lizards (while in real life they are feeding on even Flamingos, beside the fact that based on their bones they should need to be  simple fish-eaters).
Dennonyx  did a beautiful drawing based on my idea, but I think that pouch under the neck was a bit too much

Now, because there are problems around the neotype, I felt perhaps I should make this concept.

Although this creature is still not an "I'm going to kill EVERYTHING around me" awesombro monster, but still a little bit more terrestrial thing, beside fish-eating. It is roughly based on the Hartman version, but with a few changes. This one has a bit more massive legs. Not so fast, but allow to the animal to wander easily in the dry seasons. The sail is also as long as on the Hartman version but at the hip part it has a feature similar to that of Ichthyovenator, which is giving it a Basilisk lizard like appearance. The face and the neck are wrinkled like on a Marabou, which makes it a little bit savage looking beast. The tail is very long and muscular for the ballance.
You can also find my obvious clischés, such as the tail fluke, the skin-crest on the skull and the feathers which are replacing the too regular spikes.
But this is only one concept from the many versions that could easily be possible  

Oh and also, because I have not seen yet any biological speculation about the appearance of a Spinosaurus genitalia, here is my version.
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Comments: 23

NoobyNiceston [2016-07-06 02:54:41 +0000 UTC]

not far from the truth

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Raphus-Wyvernus [2016-02-06 02:02:36 +0000 UTC]

Jesus! Somebody put that thing out of his misery!

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acepredator [2015-10-29 12:16:52 +0000 UTC]

I still think Spino had short legs and stuck to water.

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titanlizard In reply to acepredator [2015-10-29 14:22:30 +0000 UTC]

Who asked you don't?

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PCAwesomeness [2015-10-28 22:11:54 +0000 UTC]

Awesome!

However, this thing STILL has long legs, right?

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titanlizard In reply to PCAwesomeness [2015-10-28 22:21:34 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, but after Andre Cau's post, maybe not. But I love this creature in every costume

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PCAwesomeness In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 22:43:04 +0000 UTC]

I see.

I mean, the Spinosaurus dragging its tail pretty much burned all trust I had for Andrea Cau, but whatever floats your boat.

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titanlizard In reply to PCAwesomeness [2015-10-28 23:28:15 +0000 UTC]

"the Spinosaurus dragging its tail pretty much burned all trust I had for Andrea Cau"

But....why? It wasn't him who created Spinosaurus, but Mother Nature.

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PCAwesomeness In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 23:44:27 +0000 UTC]

I mean, but the fact that he suggested that...

Dinosaurs used to be the stupid, slow, lumbering lizards (as dictated by the idiotic ramblings of the Boner Wars) before Deinonychus came along. And now, we have a fractual return to this theory...

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titanlizard In reply to PCAwesomeness [2015-10-29 01:21:15 +0000 UTC]

Its not such a tragedy. This thing is not impossible if you looking at the caudal spines. Also, a lot of birds today do the same thing as vintage dinosaurs, walking upright. For example penguins or running ducks.

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PCAwesomeness In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-29 01:24:51 +0000 UTC]

But that's because those modern birds lost their long tails.

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titanlizard In reply to PCAwesomeness [2015-10-29 10:56:34 +0000 UTC]

Nope. What did I say previously? The statement of the caudal spines allowed to spino to do that. The lenght of the tail is not a big reason for birds, those birds can use it anyway. Also, those birds are small Theropods compared to one of the biggest Theropod. So it is reasenable to a large creature such as spino to use a long tail. Don't being such ortodox.

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PCAwesomeness In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-29 11:41:03 +0000 UTC]

I see.

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LordofGorillaCheeks [2015-10-28 19:50:43 +0000 UTC]

On Andrea Cau's blog, he actually goes really in depth as to how the Ibraham et al. material of the arms, legs, sail and several vertebra aren't a chimeara (and belong to the same age), so even though much of the vertebra actually belongs to Sigilamassasaurus, the overall real life appearance of Ibraham et al is still accurate: theropoda.blogspot.com/2015/10…

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titanlizard In reply to LordofGorillaCheeks [2015-10-28 20:24:10 +0000 UTC]

I just simply used Mark Witton's post as a reference, inwhich he said that because of this "mistake" the whole concept is standing on a very instabil level, and that's why usin Hartman's version can be more safety.

I do like the idea of more aquatic Spinosaurus, it would turn Spinosaurids into a more diverse group.
But I think until when there are somany different opinions and argues about this thing, I'll wait.

Damn, Spinosaurus does the same exact thing as Deinocheirus. Trolling with us about its true look! I would laugh so hard, if it didn't even have any hip bones and backlimbs
But anyway, thank you for the info and correction

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LordofGorillaCheeks In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 21:55:56 +0000 UTC]

No problem. But the main thing that makes what Andrea Cau's new post valid (i.e. it's not speculation) is that on both occasions where we found definitive bones of Spinosaurus (including the Ibraham et al. material), they match almost exactly, so long story short, we know Spinosaurus had those weird stumpy legs and (possible) knuckle walking locomotion. That's basically one of the few things we know for sure in light of this new conundrum. I recomend that you read the entire post, along with his upcoming posts. Sorry that I just took all this time to say something you already knew, but I just wanted to clarify that we know without a doubt that Spinosaurus had those stumpy legs, long arms that most likely lead to knuckle walking (although it's likely that they also resorted to other forms of locomotion-which is the case for most semi-aquatic animals anyway) and that strange sail. Another thing about Spinosaurus is the likely possibility of it having thick skin similiar to many modern day semi-aquatic animals. Check out this post at my friend's blog: antediluviansalad.blogspot.com…
It's just a little food for thought on how we reconstruct extinct animals .

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titanlizard In reply to LordofGorillaCheeks [2015-10-28 22:16:51 +0000 UTC]

And I also drew a Spinosaurus already which is closer to Ibrahim's specimen
here

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titanlizard In reply to LordofGorillaCheeks [2015-10-28 22:09:27 +0000 UTC]

Well, the sail thing is depending on where was the exact statement of the known caudal vertebrae which has the longest spine from the known ones. Because as far as I know, the tail is a very fregmentary part of the body. But thank you

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LordofGorillaCheeks In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 22:26:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah you're right about that. I do suspect that Spinosaurus had a very long tail though. Many Spinosauids in general had longer tails than the average Theropod, so seeing as how Spinosaurus spent most of it's time in water, I suspect that it still had a very long, Crocodile like tail.

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NashD1 In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 20:39:19 +0000 UTC]

There is less evidence for the Hartman version than for the Ibrahim. in fact there is no evidence for a long legged Spinosaurus at all in N. Africa but there are (2) examples of short legged spinosaurids from N. Africa, controversial as they may be. Most of the Sigilamassasaurus material is vertebrate so it says very little about proportions.

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TarbosaurusBatar [2015-10-28 19:06:01 +0000 UTC]

Are the genitalia to scale with the rest of the body? 

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titanlizard In reply to TarbosaurusBatar [2015-10-28 20:04:56 +0000 UTC]

Yes. I couldn't imagine how could Spinosaurus breed with its partner, especially if it had a sail like on the Hartman version, in the classic doggy style. So perhaps they were just standing side by side I think, and for that you need a pretty flexible genitalia

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LordofGorillaCheeks In reply to titanlizard [2015-10-28 22:35:49 +0000 UTC]

Speaking of genetalia (I never thought I'd say that in my life, but oh well), it's very likely that most large to medium sized Dinosaurs had a large penile organ. This is just because it would be incredibly hard for a large sized animal to do what most modern day Archosaurs do and cloakal "kiss". In case you didn't know, it's basically just when both partners rub eachother's reproductive organs against eachothers for a very brief moment. This would be incredibly hard for the average large to medium sized Theropod, Sauropod or Ornithopod due to their sheer girth, size, weight, balance and even that huge tail. This gets even worse when you get to the armoured Thyreophorans and the quilled Ceratopsians due to the likelyhood of being impaled by their body armour.

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