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shadrad In reply to m00nlizard [2004-08-09 11:38:11 +0000 UTC]

The anime series can go die!!! >_<;;;; ARGH it makes me so mad. The manga had a beautiful ending (and when volume 8 comes out next month, I get to see the epilogue!

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m00nlizard In reply to shadrad [2004-08-09 12:01:28 +0000 UTC]

I agree! Wtf have they done to aion and sheda and deufo and everyone ?! The whole plot turned out crappy in the anime oO..
I've only seen some scans of vol 7 :/.. can't wait to get the stuff of volume 8 muha XD! X3

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shadrad In reply to m00nlizard [2004-08-10 14:06:24 +0000 UTC]

I have followed the manga in Dragon Age since last year, so I can't wait to see what they added to volume 8 *_*;;

As for the anime.. Poor Sheda T___T And Dufaux, well, I feel bad for him, but.. grah! He gets Pwned in volume 7 anyway XDDDDD;;; But the anime was /such/ a disappointment. I watched the whole thing out of spite, idly hoping it would redeem itself, but it seems like a definite B Gonzo project-- something that someone paid them to make, and thus, the passion just wasn't there like it is in other projects from the company. It's a real shame. They should not have changed the characters or the relationships between them, or any of that. Moriyama's story is one so solid that even I cannot find room for improvement (and this is very, very uncommon for me). The balance between character types and the relationships between them (since the story is about relationships) is not one that should have been altered.

Consider Chrno Crusade like this-- it isn't just about nuns with guns. That's the theme XD But the movement in the story is something not often seen in a fantasy, or indeed, any series these days. It's a story where the characters move the plot, instead of the characters being moved BY the plot. Nothing in the story would have even HAPPENED had a character not wanted it to. Rosette often uses the metaphor that she keeps running, and indeed, that's true. Were it not for her determination to keep on moving, nothing would have ever happened.

The anime introduce Aion too early-- they changed his entire purpose. Instead of personal motivation, it became something too large, and too grand. He isn't evil, in the manga, just a right bastard with his head in the clouds, willing to make sacrifices for his goals that nobody else would make. That's what makes him the antagonist, and even though someone like Rosette might sympathize with his plight (wanting to save his friends from an unfair fate just because they are demons), she can't condone nor forgive him for his actions against innocent people (including her brother). That's just one of the relationship dynamics in the manga that was totally passed over in the anime.

In the anime, Rosette became your generic fanservicy anime girl, and that angered me. She also became a plot device, which made me even more angry. Cliche after cliche made the story into something garbled and indecipherable, and the fact that they kept taking scenes from the manga and /changing/ them to fit the strange plot they'd concocted was just adding insult to injury. The murdering of the apostles, of Steiner, of Sheda, Viede, Genai, and really, pretty much EVERYONE was unecessary. The bit at the end, tying it into the assassination attempt on the Pope, was absolutely pointless, and brain-damaged Joshua.. ugh.

They tried to make the ending uplifting, with Asmaria having learned from her idol, Rosette, to be a good person, but in light of everything else that happened, it didn't make a difference.

The manga is uplifting in every aspect because Rosette and everyone kept living-- they kept living despite the hard times they would face. They kept living because living to fight is much harder than dying for a cause. To sacrifice your life in the sense that you would give it up-- that's admirable, but what about sacrificing your life for the long term? Of devoting yourself to a cause and giving up so much to see it through. That is true strength, and that is the truly uplifting thing about the Chrno Crusade manga.

Also, on a nitpicky note, I'm aggravated about Chrno and Rosette's relationship in the anime. Sure, I'm a total Chrno x Rosette shipper, but it seemed a bit too blatantly shown in the anime, and yet nothing came of it. That's teasing! In the manga, their relationship is clear to the viewer, but still an enigma to them, and it takes over 50 chapters for them to finally understand what they are to each other-- and even then, it is never said flat out! That subtle romance is a difficult thing to do, and do successfully, and I feel that it was expressed tastefully and clearly by Moriyama's work.

In fact, very few things are really THAT blatant in the manga-- it's an enjoyable read if you just read it once through, but there is a lot of depth in the story and the comic itself that cannot be seen by a single read-through. Moriyama is EXTREMELY sneaky in what is important-- in fact, if there is something important that the reader will need to know, it's probably already shown, but in a small detail you will miss unless you go back and read it over. LIttle things like, 'Wait, didn't I see that earlier...?' and when you check, yes indeed, it was there! He's so SNEAKY! Rike Ninja. Even the ending of the manga in Dragon Age was ambiguous-- I won't spoil, but upon the first readthrough I cried, the second I accepted the sadness, and on the third I caught a /tiny/ detail that I missed the first few times which completely changed my outlook on the ending. SNEAKY SNEAKY SNEAKY!!! The man is a genius, and he is someone I will always look to in storytelling and manga technique.

I could write an essay on the actual techniques he uses in panel-layout and plot progression, but I'll spare you that here ~_~;

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m00nlizard In reply to shadrad [2004-08-10 18:10:11 +0000 UTC]

You are so right!
Though, the anime would be nice as an extra version and clearly stating that it's not connected to the manga series in any way.. Eh, how do I say this X3 (English is not my native tongue )?
The anime would be awesome if you didn't know the so much better version of the story in the manga. It's the things you've said that made the anime really bad in comparison to the manga.
Damn, this might not have made sense oO".
But yes, moriyama is a genius, indeed XD.

W/e keep up your great work .

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shadrad In reply to m00nlizard [2004-08-10 18:29:52 +0000 UTC]

No, I understand what you mean, because I had many of the same thoughts myself.

If the anime had branched off completely to do their own story, that would have been fine. However, they kept going back and taking elements from the manga and putting them in where they really didn't fit. I felt that it was just adding insult to injury, and if they were going to branch off, they should have done so completely.

Yes, most people who watch the anime like it without having prior knowledge of the manga-- but many also complain of characters like Chrono being really uninteresting, which is true-- in the anime, Chrono has almost no personality, and compared to Rosette, a very small role in the show, as opposed to the manga where he is just as important as Rosette. He has a sense of humor and a bit of a mean streak in the manga, which makes him interesting. In the anime he's very quiet and gentle and not at all like the Chrono I know and love.

Anyway, those are only some of my problems.. I also dislike the blatant fanservice in the anime. I love Rosette (and I think she is hot <3 ) but I don't need nor do I want to see bouncing breasts and pantyshots all the time x_x; They are there in the manga if you look for them, but they aren't so blatant nor obnoxious to me there.

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m00nlizard In reply to shadrad [2004-08-14 13:50:39 +0000 UTC]

It was sorta pathetic when they showed her slip (the first time, dunno which ep.), wasn't she wearing other (nun) underwear before ..? Again I completly agree with you .

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shadrad In reply to m00nlizard [2004-08-14 16:46:51 +0000 UTC]

She wears bloomers, yes @_@; In the anime they just gave her panties >< Dude, nobody wore that in the 1920s

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shadrad In reply to Schmitt [2004-08-09 02:54:47 +0000 UTC]

Hi, and thanks, and I like criticism, but it's rather useless if you have no suggestions of your own to make >_> Change it to /WHAT/?

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Schmitt In reply to shadrad [2004-08-09 08:21:21 +0000 UTC]

I haven't the remotest idea...but i don't think criticism is useless if i have no suggestions....

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shadrad In reply to Schmitt [2004-08-09 11:41:07 +0000 UTC]

Well, please consider the purpose of criticism-- it isn't to make someone feel bad, it's to help them improve on later efforts.

However, just telling me that something is wrong with the picture is just as useless as telling me you like it. I don't get anything out of it, save for your opinion that you think something should be different. Since I don't even know who you are, I'm afraid to say that your opinion has very little bearing on what I do and will do in the future.

Simply put, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything. I'm not going to try to justify my picture-- it was just something done out of boredom, and even had you managed to suggest something, I probably wouldn't change it, because this isn't an image I'm terribly concerned about making 'perfect'.

So, please, if you want to offer criticism next time, offer some that has at least an iota of usefulness to me-- otherwise it's just another comment in the box.

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