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orcbruto — IMP-6 PDW
Published: 2012-04-17 13:47:25 +0000 UTC; Views: 3205; Favourites: 64; Downloads: 113
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My entry to the Personal Defense Weapon by-----------------------------------------------------------
The contest asked for a SMG small enough to be hidden inside a coat and to be used in close quarters by security officers and bodyguards, so here is Lilitech SMG IMP-6.
The IMP is slightly longer than an average pistol, with a foldable stock and a bullpup design. Being bullpup, it have a barrel longer than the usual smgs, and a sliding receiver makes for less recoil, absorbing some of the explosion from the ammunition as kinetic energy to move the receiver.
The module in the front of the gun houses a small flashlight and a laser targeting system, and both can be turned on or off.
It uses the FN 5.7x28mm ammo, the same from the P90 smg.
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If I had an army I would outfit with this for urban operations.
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Very cool design dude!
You should start making your weapons thicker dude. All of your weapons could be just alittle bit thicker. They look too skinny. Other than that, great work!
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Thanks. Sometimes they be a bit skinny because I'm afraid the grip gets too large for human hands to hold...
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Yap, I'm ambidextrous, and sometimes I make the guns left-handed and didn't even notice
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The clip goes in the back of the gun, bullpup design, just under that round circle of doom
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Any thoughts on the materials? I'm just wondering if the weight of the slide might be too much for the 5.7 round to cycle efficiently. Carbon fiber is a bit brittle for it, but I'm sure there are some stronger than steel composites that might be viable. Also, a 5.7 round has very little recoil in the FN 5.7 pistol, so I don't think you really need to worry about absorbing much.
Aside from the technical aspect, it's an appealing design. Nice rendering.
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Thanks!
Well... it would have to use some kind of alloy that is resilient and resistant without compromising the weight... But I don't understand nothing of materials used in gun manufacture
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Made in China.
..just kidding, I don't mean to be racist. It's just that the instructions are Chinese.
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Hahahahahha, Google Translator gave me the characters, extra fun for those who can read chinese (and if Google Translator translated it well)
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it doesn't.:/
the translator labels the gun as 'miniature' or 'microscopic.'
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To add to the piles of criticism, you really shouldn't say that 5.7 is "...the same from the P90..."
Being a submachine gun, which is defined as using ammunition designed for a pistol, it's from the FN Five-seveN handgun, not the P90. The P90 is a submachine gun because the round it utilizes was made for the company's armor penetrating pistol.
While it gets the point across, it just makes you look bad.
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Hummmm,Wikipedia said this is the ammo of a P90... Probably Wikipedia was wrong then...
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Karinosai's just being pendatic, and wrong at it too. The P90 and the 5.7x28mm round came out BEFORE the Five-seveN. The pistol was designed as a complement to use the same round.
For that matter, the P90 is NOT a submachinegun, it's a PDW since it's chambered in an intermediate round between pistol and rifle calibers.
And this gun would be used by bodyguards at close range, in which case any gun compact and light enough to conceal is not going to be accurate on automatic at range. It doesn't have to be either, it's meant precisely to keep any assasin pinned under cover while the VIP escapes. So it's an okay design if you forget the moving slide.
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Thank you! Yap, that's my idea (mostly by movies) that a PDW could provide enough cover fire at close quarters and corners to keep enemies hidden while you and the VIP escape....
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Great. But, just saying, Kanine1134's criticism about the slide system was pretty spot on. You're not going to need a stock but you do need to be able to put it near your face without getting hit by a slide, and grab it with both hands to make sure you don't lose control of it from recoil, at least for safety. Like this:
[link] <-- OC-14 Groza.
[link] <-- Mini-Uzi. Short variant, light and compact, not very accurate and meant to put a lot of rounds very fast, pretty much what you're going for yes?
Since you want rate of fire over accuracy, it would help to have a big magazine with lots of rounds, it also gives you a chance to be creative with your design as an artist and give your gun a distinctive profile, for example:
[link] <-- Helical (spiral) magazine.
[link] <-- Quadruple stack magazine.
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Just gonna go ahead and point out that articles on Wikipedia dealing with things that are popular to idiotic teenagers, such as the FN P90, are often vandalized.
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Pretty damn cool. Looks like a SMG version fo some mods for the Beginning XD
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Might I say, half the point of a folding stock is to allow the weapon to be handled in extreme close quarters, if when the stock is folded the weapon cannot be held, there goes half the point, and 75% of the usefulness. Besides the fact that a bullpup eliminates the need for a folding stock anyway. Also, there's a reason only pistols use slides: If you've ever fired a rifle or SMG you'd know that there needs to be space to rest your cheek against the weapon when aiming, and a moving slide will lacerate your face pretty severly besides being really distracting, annoying and dangerous. I mean, most modern rifles discourage a bolt that moves when firing because of the danger of severed fingers, so imagine the difficulties here. Also it does not reduce recoil at all, in fact the inertia of a huge hunk of metal moving backwards makes it worse. I'm sorry, but this is "Anime Nonsense".
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Is it? So why pistols use the moving slide? And how do you put your cheek into a small submachinegun like an Uzi or a MP5? In movies and TV I always saw people firing submachineguns like pistols, holding them distant from the face, as I never saw one irl, don't know if you have to put your face in it to fire...
Also the stock can be folded to be under the gun, like the bigger picture, it folds behind the grip only to make it smaller to transport.
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pistols using moving slide because the main point of the pistol is to be as compact as possible while still retaining reasonable accuracy and stopping power at close range, and as comfortable to carry around for extended periods of time. the slide is good for this because it reduces the overall length of the weapon, and allows for simple cocking (on a handgun, on a rifle-type weapon it's just cumbersome if the converted Glock carbines I've shot are anything to go by). but fundamentally, a pistol is a weapon of last resort. in the words of one Marine gunnery Sgt.: "if the enemy is within pistol range you should already be retreating". the advantages outweigh the problems it causes given the role of a pistol. A submachine gun is an entirely different thing, it's intended to be a primary weapon, and shoulder fired (despite what you see on TV).
That's your problem: you watch too much TV and movies and don't have enough real-life experience. Shooting a submachine gun one-handed like a pistol might look badass, but in real life it's extremely impractical. Like duel wielding, you can completely forget about accuracy, and say hello to a broken wrist. While you may see the MP 5K without a stock in video games, in real life it's typically equipped with a small side folding stock, and only issued as a weapon of last resort to vehicle crews. Similarly with the smaller varieties of Uzi, while larger varieties come with a folding stock. and while it might not be necessary to actually put your cheek on the weapon, the standard rifle position that I've used all my life and seen everyone else use would be seriously interfered with by a moving slide on a bullpup.
pointing the stock down just creates a whole new problems, like making it impossible to round corners properly, getting snagged on vests and other gear, interfering with reloading and just creating another protrusion to get in the way. All this is ignoring the fact that the only reason to ever , a folding stock is to reduce the overall size of a weapon, which is the same thing the bullpup layout was invented for. It's like hitching a horse to your car. it would probably work much better, at least in terms of what you want, if you follow the stock system similar to the full-sized MP5 or MP7, where the buttpad is on two telescoping rails that run along the sides of the gun.
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Well, in fact, firearms are strictly forbidden in Brazil, we don't have them, can't own them, can't fire them or even meet them anywere. All knowledge I have of guns comes from videogame and movies, so I always believe smgs to be "spray and pray" last resort guns for vehicle crew and bandits to give easily cover fire while you run away.
In the case you need accuracy or to lean the face against the gun, well, its quite impossible in this one...
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Was all ready to post pretty much this exact same thing and then you had to go and steal my thunder. Thanks.
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Well, now I know that I can't win, albeit my weapon uses an entirely different approach.
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Well, seeing how people are ranting about the slide, ammo and stock, probably you can win...
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Well, as long as your's would be actually ergonomically sound, you've got this beat
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