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Description As the same way of the Maya Culture [link] , this illustration was created for "Big Bang" Magazine, about the culture Toltec.

The word Toltec in Mesoamerican studies has been used in different ways by different scholars to refer to actual populations and polities of pre-Columbian central Mexico or to the mythical ancestors mentioned in the mythical/historical narratives of the Aztecs. It is an ongoing debate whether the Toltecs can be understood to have formed an actual ethnic group at any point in Mesoamerican history or if they are mostly or only a product of Aztec myth.

The tradition has interpreted the concept of Toltecs largely as an Aztec or generally Mesoamerican mythical and philosophical construct that has served to symbolize the civilizedness and might of several different cultures of the Mesoamerican Postclassic period. Among the Nahuan peoples the word "Tolteca" was synonymous with artist, artisan or wise man, and "toltecayotl" "Toltecness" meant art, culture and civilization and urbanism - and was seen as the opposite of "Chichimecayotl" "chichimecness" which symbolized the savage, nomadic state of peoples who had not yet become urbanized.
This interpretation argues that any large urban center in Mesoamerica could be referred to as "Tollan" and its inhabitants as Toltecs - and that any ruling lineage in postclassic Mesoamerica would strengthen their claims to power by claiming Toltec ancestry.
Often Mesoamerican migration accounts state that Tollan was ruled by Quetzalcoatl (or Kukulcan in Maya and Gukumatz in K'iche' ) a godlike mythical figure who was later sent into exile from Tollan and went on to found a new city somewhere else in Mesoamerica. Such claims of Toltec ancestry and a ruling dynasty founded by Quetzalcoatl have been made by such diverse civilizations as the Aztec, the Quiché and the Itza' Mayas.

While the sceptical tradition does not deny that cultural traits of a seemingly central Mexican origin have diffused into a larger area of Mesoamerica they tend to ascribe this to the dominance of Teotihuacán in the Classic period and the general diffusion of Cultural traits within the region. Recent scholarship thus do not see Tula, Hidalgo as a "Toltec" site but rather tries to find clues of the ethnicity of the people who built it. Lately it has been suggested that they were in fact Huastecs.

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Comments: 80

Aztecatl13 [2014-04-11 20:22:05 +0000 UTC]

so beautiful

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JoniGodoy In reply to Aztecatl13 [2014-05-18 01:40:20 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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AlexandraAlex [2012-10-18 19:48:11 +0000 UTC]

umm.. i am really fascinated in the history of mexico!!! I have a few questiones about it:
- I was wondering does it related directly to the aztecs?!!
- what about the maya tribe & the natives who live in Hawaii & inuit?!!
- the eagle & the snake on the mexican flag, does it symbolizes good triumph over evil?
- & whats with the skeleton festival?!! "sorry if i ask too much questions"

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JoniGodoy In reply to AlexandraAlex [2012-10-18 20:32:27 +0000 UTC]

no problem.
-They were in Mexico Too, but in other side of the country. So, their history is related directly AND indirectly to them.
-I don't know nothing about them. The mayas and the Toltecs were two different groups.
-Exactly, and these two animals were founded (in action!!) in a big lake. This ancient lake is exacly the place were the first people build the old city and the pyramids. Actualy this place is now the modern City of Mexico (Distrito Federal).
-The skeleton festival is based on "El Día de Muertos" an old mexican tradition [link] (curiously, very closer to the american Halloween day)
The caracters are called "calaca" [link]

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AlexandraAlex In reply to JoniGodoy [2012-10-19 01:38:07 +0000 UTC]

oh no,.. i meant HAWAII & INUIT not Mayas and the Toltecs,... & OMG those mini skeleton dolls are adorable in a creepy way!! they look like jack skullington from nightmare before Christmas!!!

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JoniGodoy In reply to AlexandraAlex [2012-10-19 17:04:50 +0000 UTC]

Check the articles. Tim Burton had a strong influence in this mexican tradition, to design many of his characters, as Jack, and all the guys (and the colors) of the "dead land" in "Corpse Bride".

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AlexandraAlex In reply to JoniGodoy [2012-10-19 18:58:02 +0000 UTC]

yeah... i always had this feeling he has been influensed by mexican art tradition

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JoniGodoy In reply to AlexandraAlex [2012-10-19 19:08:11 +0000 UTC]

right!

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AlexandraAlex In reply to JoniGodoy [2012-10-19 19:09:45 +0000 UTC]

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euguis [2012-09-06 03:11:18 +0000 UTC]

esta poca madre, yo soy de tula!! slaudos

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JoniGodoy In reply to euguis [2012-09-06 15:50:59 +0000 UTC]

gracias, igualmente!

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feillyne [2012-01-21 06:44:50 +0000 UTC]

It's fine piece of art.

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JoniGodoy In reply to feillyne [2012-01-23 20:49:42 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot, man!

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theubbergeek2 [2011-06-08 00:14:54 +0000 UTC]

Inspiring pic...

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JoniGodoy In reply to theubbergeek2 [2011-06-08 15:40:30 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot, man!

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DemonCartoonist [2010-11-26 21:25:52 +0000 UTC]

Tengo la firme creencia de que si no hubieramos sido conquistados por los españoles seriamos una chingoneria de Pais en estos dias. Muchos Españoles creen que llamarnos "Tira-flechas" es ofendernos, pero creo que hubieramos estado mejor asi.... Grandioso trabajo por cierto.

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JoniGodoy In reply to DemonCartoonist [2010-11-30 20:07:29 +0000 UTC]

Muchas gracias!Y sabes? No está del todo descabellado lo que comentas.
jaja!
Si yo fuera un indígena o un tiraflechas no me avergonzaría, caray! pues si es mi raza! es mejor ser un pura-sangre!

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DemonCartoonist In reply to JoniGodoy [2010-12-01 05:22:11 +0000 UTC]

A huevo!!! jajajaja

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budahhh [2010-10-21 02:15:15 +0000 UTC]

que buen trabajo,, esta muy bueno..

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Lily-de-Wakabayashi [2010-09-21 17:16:06 +0000 UTC]

Me encantó el dibujo, está genial .

Pero igual que con la Malinche, los Toltecas son diferentes a los mayas...

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JoniGodoy In reply to Lily-de-Wakabayashi [2010-09-21 19:41:41 +0000 UTC]

Exacto, pero eso yo no entiendo por qué me hicieron la invitación a ponerlo en la colección maya.
Muchas gracias!

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Lily-de-Wakabayashi In reply to JoniGodoy [2010-09-21 19:46:39 +0000 UTC]

Sí, disculpa, mi pregunta debió ser dirigida al administrador y no a ti .

No hay de qué, tus trabajos me agradan .

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JoniGodoy In reply to Lily-de-Wakabayashi [2010-09-23 16:18:08 +0000 UTC]

jajaa! no problemo!
Y gracias por la porra!

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darknightsad [2010-09-19 20:49:43 +0000 UTC]

worales una decada en la universidad...bueno eso sera motivamente para los que como yo quiere retomar los estudios ..

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JoniGodoy In reply to darknightsad [2010-09-21 19:44:50 +0000 UTC]

Pues si éste breviario cultural de tu servidor sirve para motivar a màs de uno, ya hubo algo bueno de esto.

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SeekHim [2010-09-15 04:43:10 +0000 UTC]

This is the just the kind of ancient history pic that I like!
No ancient ruins but seeing the civilization when it was at its peak!

Hope you do one of ancient Crete someday; I've always been fascinated
with that place!

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JoniGodoy In reply to SeekHim [2010-09-15 16:10:59 +0000 UTC]

someday, my friend!
Thank you very much!

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SeekHim In reply to JoniGodoy [2010-09-15 19:28:34 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome!

And maybe you can do one of an African civilization
as well!

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EvanDarkPanda [2010-09-15 04:12:58 +0000 UTC]

Muy bella y simple ilustración!

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X-keko-X [2010-09-14 14:54:54 +0000 UTC]

otro trabajo imprecionante

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JoniGodoy In reply to X-keko-X [2010-09-14 23:42:54 +0000 UTC]

Muchas gracias! Favor que me haces!

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SurbiFarfaen [2010-08-13 05:29:14 +0000 UTC]

esta genial me encanta, pero la piramide del fondo es maya

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JoniGodoy In reply to SurbiFarfaen [2010-08-13 16:27:34 +0000 UTC]

En serio? Oye, gracias por aclarar!

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SurbiFarfaen In reply to JoniGodoy [2010-08-14 01:11:40 +0000 UTC]

jaja, lo que pasa es que soy yucateca y reconozco esa piramide donde sea q ste jeje
de nada!!!

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JoniGodoy In reply to SurbiFarfaen [2010-08-17 16:14:21 +0000 UTC]

Ah, perfecto, gracias por el dato!
Pues no puedo corregirla pero ya será para la otra!

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SurbiFarfaen In reply to JoniGodoy [2010-08-17 19:06:52 +0000 UTC]

jaja, claro, de nada

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fiyeropip [2009-07-01 03:10:15 +0000 UTC]

Esta pieza fué utilizada en este artículo ([link] ), por su contenido acerca de la hermosa cultura Mexicana. Para mayor exposición de tu trabajo te sugiero marcar el artículo como favorito.
Muchas gracias y sigue con tu excelente trabajo!!!

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Kopanitsak [2009-04-18 12:13:32 +0000 UTC]

So cool!
I really love your clouds! x3

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JoniGodoy In reply to Kopanitsak [2009-04-23 19:14:56 +0000 UTC]

!

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chuax [2008-10-21 06:12:19 +0000 UTC]

QUE GRANDIOSA CULTURA!!!! EXCELENTE EL DIBUJO!!!!!

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Rasec-Wizzlbang [2008-10-14 22:21:55 +0000 UTC]

Sweet.

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Raiilynezz [2008-04-22 20:45:13 +0000 UTC]

tu dibujo es la leeey :]!!

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JoniGodoy In reply to Raiilynezz [2008-05-22 19:40:03 +0000 UTC]

Jeje! Muchas gracias!

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Raiilynezz In reply to JoniGodoy [2008-05-22 23:06:19 +0000 UTC]

de nada

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kinkei [2008-03-21 16:14:58 +0000 UTC]

very good

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JoniGodoy In reply to kinkei [2008-03-21 19:35:39 +0000 UTC]

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MoryJP [2008-03-21 12:58:55 +0000 UTC]

Un magnifico trabajo como siempre ^w^!!!

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JoniGodoy In reply to MoryJP [2008-03-21 19:35:57 +0000 UTC]

Muchas thankius!

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MoryJP In reply to JoniGodoy [2008-03-22 03:11:09 +0000 UTC]

De nada ^w^!!!

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Light-Archangel [2008-03-20 17:22:14 +0000 UTC]

Woah! genial! Muy buen trabajo muchacho! bastante buen concepto, me fascina todo el cuidado que le pones a los pequeños detalles! muy bien logrado!

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