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JES86 [2022-09-23 01:07:37 +0000 UTC]
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Strick67 [2018-12-19 10:41:01 +0000 UTC]
Good restoration, haven't seen your first version so I can't compare. Some similarities to Sue and I guess that's appropriate.
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JES86 [2018-11-13 20:28:10 +0000 UTC]
A lot of changes to the skull. The previous version much more resembled the mounted skeleton.
I realize the skull is fairly incomplete, but why these changes specifically?
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JES86 In reply to JES86 [2018-11-13 20:29:06 +0000 UTC]
Okay - saw the reply below, so never mind.
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Jdangerousdinosaur [2018-11-12 21:32:32 +0000 UTC]
great update Franoys (: and what a heavy animal this was are you updating anymore of your diagrams ?
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Franoys In reply to Jdangerousdinosaur [2018-11-13 07:47:18 +0000 UTC]
Thank you; and yes. One just never stops learning and updating stuff
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ShinRedDear [2018-11-12 09:17:41 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for the much needed update! I might have one question, it's the contact between the femur and the tibia/fibula. Would there be a bit more space between the bone, thanks to cartilage so the bones would not break eachother?
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Franoys In reply to ShinRedDear [2018-11-12 18:34:44 +0000 UTC]
The tibiae and the femora are definately separated by a gap which would have been filled with cartilague in life. The proximal end of the fibulae obscures a bit the view of the fibular condyle of the femora, but it is not in direct contact, there is mediolateral spacing. I leave a bit more space than other authors in fact. Could this space have been bigger (after all chickens seem to have a good bit of cartilague in their joints)? Potentially; but for that I would prefer to examine avian bodies in person; will probably be able to do so soon.
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TKWTH In reply to ShinRedDear [2018-11-12 10:39:54 +0000 UTC]
Also is it just me or are the condyles a little wonky? (Also you forgot to detail most of the dorsal neural spines lmao otherwise great, don't get me wrong!)
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Franoys In reply to TKWTH [2018-11-12 18:31:24 +0000 UTC]
The condyles are right, read the osteology.
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Paleonerd01 [2018-11-12 08:32:42 +0000 UTC]
What inspired you to make changes to the overall skull reconstruction? Great update by the way.
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Franoys In reply to Paleonerd01 [2018-11-12 18:42:49 +0000 UTC]
I found the maxilla to be better ilustrated in Osborn 1912,as oposed to how it was in Osborn 1906. I also used another specimen to restore the missing portions of the head now (AMNH 5027), previously I had used my first version of Sue's head; but it involved heavy speculation because of how damaged the fossil was. I had since then updated Sue's skull, but not the holotype's. I changed some decissions that I made as to how to scale certain stuff, for example the squamosal of CM 9380 is rather big in general but specially very tall. Before I had scaled the depth of the posterior region of the head to match the height of the squamosal; but this time I simple adapted it to it's length and left the single bone proportionally tall.
And thank you!
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Paleonerd01 In reply to Franoys [2018-11-12 19:53:30 +0000 UTC]
Interesting thanks for your response
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Zhombah [2018-11-12 00:36:52 +0000 UTC]
Hot upgrade
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Franoys In reply to Zhombah [2018-11-12 07:34:09 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!
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JES86 [2018-06-21 19:20:33 +0000 UTC]
I've always liked this skeleton - I call it 'Gwangi' because this was the skeleton that Charles R. Knight's famous mural was based on - the one where, due to concurrently incomplete remains, the eye was placed too far forward on the head - and it was this iconic painting that, not only Ray Harryhausen's (and Willis O'Brien's) Gwangi was based on, but the King Kong T. rex (reflected also in Peter Jackson's 2005 Vastatosaurus rex), as well as the Rhedosaurus from the Beast From Twenty-Thousand Fathoms.
So... sort of a celebrity T. rex.
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Paleonerd01 In reply to JES86 [2018-07-08 07:20:06 +0000 UTC]
Great reconstruction, if I may ask what’s the estimated dull length of the holotype?
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Franoys In reply to JES86 [2018-06-22 09:58:17 +0000 UTC]
Couldn't expect less from the type specimen!
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asari13 [2018-04-11 11:08:45 +0000 UTC]
cool
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Evodolka [2017-12-18 16:45:22 +0000 UTC]
so this is the holotype?
does it have a name like stan & sue or is it just known as T.Rex holotyoe
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Evodolka In reply to Batavotyrannus [2017-12-18 23:55:33 +0000 UTC]
that real?
or is this a rick and morty joke with the 2 conjoined chefs?
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RexFan684 In reply to Evodolka [2018-05-27 18:53:30 +0000 UTC]
It’s just known by its ID number, CM 9380
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Evodolka In reply to RexFan684 [2018-05-27 21:26:02 +0000 UTC]
that is a shame
well i think i'll call it Osborn as it said that Osborn described this one, i am open to other name suggestions
my other name is Tygan as it seems fitting for a Tyrannosaurus
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RexFan684 In reply to Evodolka [2018-05-27 21:54:04 +0000 UTC]
Or Andrew since it’s at the Carnegie
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Evodolka In reply to RexFan684 [2018-05-27 22:27:15 +0000 UTC]
that works too
i am cool with anything that isn't CM 9380
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kirkseven In reply to Evodolka [2017-12-18 23:49:43 +0000 UTC]
Calling it "the T.rex holotype" is pretty much it's name if you don't want to use the specimen number.
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Evodolka In reply to kirkseven [2017-12-18 23:55:01 +0000 UTC]
ok then, my guess was that the name would be Osborn after the discoverer but holotype works still, and it shows it's the original
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Yu-Gi-Nos [2017-11-11 03:32:18 +0000 UTC]
This is GREAT! I wish I had found this sooner!
Wasn't this the specimen that Michael Crichton based his Jurassic Park T-rex skeleton off of or am I remembering the wrong skeleton?
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Franoys In reply to Yu-Gi-Nos [2017-11-11 12:46:38 +0000 UTC]
Indeed it is; along AMNH 5027. Most of the look is provided by AMNH 5027 in fact; CM 9380 added the information on the hindlimbs, arms and feet.
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Majestic-Colossus [2017-08-15 15:57:27 +0000 UTC]
How robust would Tyrannosaurus' legs be?
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Franoys In reply to Majestic-Colossus [2017-08-15 23:32:00 +0000 UTC]
Tyrannosaurus rex has the most robust hindlimbs of any member of theropoda, the mid-shaft femur circumference of the largest specimens is only matched by Deinocheirus mirificus specimen MPC-D 100/127, which with a femoral circumference of 560 mm, matches those of Tyrannosaurus specimens RTMP 81.12 1 and Samson (560 mm), but still outsized by those of RSM 2523.8 (570 mm) MOR 1128 (580 mm), and FMNH PR 2080 (580 mm).
The tibia also have the biggest circumferences of any member of theropoda, and they are also the longest. Femoral and tibial circumferences have allometric physical correlations with body mass since they are weight bearing bones, meaning this could be further indication of Tyrannosaurus having the most massive theropod specimens within it (as indicated by Campione et al 2014).The femoral tibial and fibular condyles are very wide and robust, and so is the femoral head, therefore the joints were adapted to withstand a lot of stress. Tyrannosaurus also has the longest ilia registered in theropoda, meaning the ischiotibialis was very wide and massive, the forth trochanter is very well developed so the legs were powered by big muscles as well and they were the most massive between those of it's kind.
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Dinopithecus In reply to Franoys [2017-08-30 03:46:11 +0000 UTC]
That's very interesting to read. I knew Tyrannosaurus had a more robust femur than did other giant theropods, but I wasn't so sure about the distal limb bones (like the tibia), as I knew they were longer than those of the others. If they were correspondingly thicker, I think that would make up for greater length.
I say "make up for" because I imagine Tyrannosaurus as a very strong wrestler of giant prey animals, using its very robust skull/teeth and absurdly muscular neck to subdue them. Having longer legs that aren't thicker would be disadvantageous for this task (they would take more stress). But since Tyrannosaurus' tibia was also thicker with what I assume are also wider and more robust joints, I think it'd still be just as strong as the short, stocky tibiae of say, carnosaurs.
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