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Published: 2015-09-18 20:54:48 +0000 UTC; Views: 2732; Favourites: 40; Downloads: 12
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Description I've been looking into the debate on the Banning of "Assault Type" weapons.

So far what I've learned is that 'Assault Weapons' are defined as having more than one "Assault" feature, such as a Pistol Grip, Retractable and Folding Stock, bayonet lug, threaded barrel, or a barrel shroud.  There is another unlikely used possible attachment of a Grenade launcher, and from what I know of they are classified as a destructive device so laws may vary from state to state.

Now, a confusion I'm hearing the terms "Assault Weapon" and "Assault Rifle/Pistol" being used interchangeably, in which is incorrect since, a rifle classified as an "Assault Rifle" is a rifle in which is capable of selective fire more than Semi-Auto typically being Full-Auto/Burst-Auto whereas Assault Weapon is based more on attachments and ergonomics.

Another thing I hear is whenever someone compares a so called "Assault Weapon" with a "Hunting Weapon" they tend to say the quote "Has no legitimate hunting purpose" problem is every rifle, handgun, and shotgun is capable of being used for hunting, example being some hunt with Semi-Auto AKMs with Low Cap Mags[You can look it up on YouTube if you wish].  As if that's not enough some of the so called "Assault Weapons" are manufactured in many formats sometimes in hunting format the Saiga 7.62 and WASR 10 are good examples of two AK Rifle platforms in different formats.

Another claim is one is an "Assault Weapon" is more deadly than "Hunting Rifle", now in all honesty it varies what rifles/shotguns/handguns you chose to compare, what I'm assuming the comparison they say is Caliber, now if one used 5.56 or a .223 round in a AR-15[AW] then a Ruger Mini-14[HW] say one was an expert with both, it really won't matter what gun it's shot from it will most likely yield the same results with ballistics{I know some of you pro-gunners are facepalming probably from that statement}.

I've looked into the stats of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for 2013 (I have nothing on 2014-2015 sadly), and it appears you are more likely to being killed by a non-Assault Weapon ironically since out of the 11,208(2013) gun homicides around 800 -or so- of them were Assault-Type weapons, on Mass Murders it's a different story.

On the Mass Shooters, the main examples are typically Aurora[AR15], Columbine[Tec 9M/Hi Point 995/Stevens 311D/Savage 67H], and Sandy Hook[AR15/Saiga 12] because of their usage of Assault Weapons in these tragedies. I noticed not many mention Virginia Tech, granted Seung-Hui achieved his horrific place of the worst Mass Shooter with 32 dead & 23 injured using Two Handguns [a Glock 19 and Walther P22] which doesn't fit the category of Assault Weapons.  We could also mention Red Lake, MN, Jokela in Finland, and Kauhajoki in Finland and how they had a serious number of fatalities without Assault Weapons. Really overall the main reason many lose their lives in this areas is not fully on the firearms, but the incapability of evacuation, lack of resistance, and how close the victims are to each other, in Columbine, many hid under their desks in the library, with V-Tech, they had nowhere to go either except hide under their desks, whether a pistol, rifle, shotgun was used, it didn't really change the unfortunate result that much.  It also helps to mention that Columbine and a few other shootings like Thurston, Jonesboro, and Paducah occurred under the first weapon ban, the Clinton 1994-2004 Assault Weapons Ban, looking at Wiki about around 30-40 School Shootings occurred between that Ten Year period.

I also do wish to try to explain that Assault Rifles are already heavily regulated here in the U.S. since May 1986, they are not to be developed/imported for civilian usage, what's already here is what we have, typically they cost around $15,000-$30,000 varying per weapon not including the Form 4.

Lastly, a silly thing I hear is the tactical-ization/polymerize of the firearm makes it deadlier, maybe you are implying it's more comfortable and easier to handle because of the retractable stock and pistol grip with maybe a bipod, but isn't that what is for the best when handling a firearm, to make it perform flawlessly and with little to no mistakes as possible? And is that what really matters, if the stock is wood with no rails and polymer and with rails for features is that what really makes it more dangerous that a traditional Semi-Auto Rifle to you?

Honestly, there isn't enough I can really say about this since, I can go on for few hours about this, I know I'm probably missed a few things doing this, so if you wish to add something, you can comment it.

Remember "Assault-Type" Weapons aren't the only weapons used in Mass Shootings, there are some massacres in which the gunman obtained +6 casualties or +10 injuries without an Assault Weapon a few decent examples could be University of Texas(1966), Thurston(1998), Westside(1998), Santana(2001), Red Lake(2005), Jokela(2007), Virginia Tech(2007), Kauhajoki (2008), Umpqua(2015). Sadly, the worst massacres in America being Virginia Tech & Finland being Kauhajoki. 

If you want my two cents then, I would prefer society focus on the conditions which drives a person to commit such atrocities and not on the tool, as a person who wants to mimic the killers of the past will do so with whatever tool they'll get: Knife, Gun, Bomb, etc. 

I just want people to think about it at least.

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If you wish to see a great example of what I'm wish to imply here a decent video by a 1980's Californian Police officer describes it best here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yATeti…

Another decent example is from gun enthusiasts comparing an Assault Weapon to a real Assault Rifle:
youtu.be/W8YuPPWuGW8?t=11

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C-CLs…
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Comments: 12

Pedroj234 [2022-11-01 00:57:05 +0000 UTC]

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thatguybrody [2020-06-29 03:40:58 +0000 UTC]

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guardmn [2016-07-13 09:15:04 +0000 UTC]

Great article.Sadly the media only focuses on the guns.And Anti-Gun Politicians play on most peoples ignorance about firearms to gain support for their Gun Control Agenda.

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Tevo77777 [2016-05-21 06:47:00 +0000 UTC]

You can do a mass shooting with six Hi-Points that had five round magazines in it. 

It can be done and things like it have happened before.

Soooo, what's the point of banning all weapons?

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ColumbianSFR In reply to Tevo77777 [2016-05-21 21:13:09 +0000 UTC]

I think people flock to banning mostly because of what people say Europe's and Australia's success with it, granted they don't really mention the negative consequences.

Most that advocate control I've noticed seem to use emotion (Especially after Sandy Hook) and "Trigger" words (mostly Assault Weapon and Military Rifle to name two) to push legislation.  For me at least it's kinda sad that some focus a little too much on what tool was used in a tragedy rather than the disturbed individual's drive to commit it, not to mention the media's role in tragedies.

Similarly to the Hi-point statement you made, one could do a mass shooting with just a 9mm & .22 just as Seung-Hui did or one .22 like Pekka or Saari in Finland.  Honestly those tragedies along with Red Lake in 2005 and Columbine during the Clinton 1990's A.W.B. are mostly why I doubt Gun Laws effectiveness in the U.S.

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Boogaloo345 [2015-12-03 20:34:45 +0000 UTC]

I love everything about this.

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ARCN7 [2015-10-13 21:05:46 +0000 UTC]

My solution to the gun problem:
Teach kids not to shoot each other with guns, don't sell guns to mentally ill people and eliminate factors that makes normal people want to shoot each other. Then legalize AT-Weapons and MANPADS for civilian communal ownership.
I mean, how many mass shooting did Switzerland have?

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Warsie In reply to ARCN7 [2016-06-08 18:57:08 +0000 UTC]

mental illness is a social construct, so i'd rather not use that as a reason not to have weapons (look up stuff ike 'drapetomania' and psychology used to medicalize dissent in the Soviet Union to see what I mean). One person's crazy person is another person's prophet (cf. Joan of Arc, and Muhammed)

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ColumbianSFR In reply to ARCN7 [2015-10-13 22:12:56 +0000 UTC]

Haha.

On "eliminate factors that makes normal people want to shoot each other."
Pretty much if one could end bullying & mental illness(typically causes "pseudocommandos") then rid the financial incentive(Gangs & Drugs) one would probably drop it heavily.  Still, thankfully America's Gun Homicides are shockingly dropping consistently... Slowly, but its still around the 11,000's.

The sad part is both sides the Pro Gun & Control Advocates are quite delusional with their thinking, the pro crowd wants more which I'd rather not everyone in this sick nation having a gun IMO, which is common sense, and on the other end the control advocates go on a tirade about Europe & Australia not realising we aren't likely to drop in gun death anytime soon even with regulations or no regulations, especially when it did very little with the 1994-2004 Gun Control Measures, it did very little in fact failed to stop our worst high school massacre to date in '99.

I prefer a true moderate policy, background checks, and limit capacity, but the banning of Assault Weapons idea though is complete crap.  I've never heard of a MPAD SA-7 until now and I love it already.

"I mean, how many mass shooting did Switzerland have?"
None that I can think of. The only places I can think of with Mass Shootings in Europe are the UK, Germany, and Finland.  Finland being the worst.

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Warsie In reply to ColumbianSFR [2016-06-08 19:09:18 +0000 UTC]

I forgot who wrote this, might have been Adam Lanza for all I know (Lanza has a good post online about neoliberalism in China and the US and how the free market reforms correspond to an increased spree killings, i.e. capitalism is causing this.

heh, some new right person quoted lanza: www.reddit.com/r/new_right/com…

Ahh, Mark Ames has a book titled 'going postal'.

There was a THIRD person, not Lanza or Ames who wrote something along that line. I forgot who the person was. Probably online talking about there being a group of people who are I guess, basically 'funcionally mentally ill'. i.e. they have 'issues' but function in society, get married, etc. In good societies with equality and little strife, they function within the norms of society. In societies which are unequal or whatnot, they basically fall off and/or snap. So as the US gets more unequal you'll see that happen more often

EDIT: I suspect the third person is Russian 'cliodynamics' (think of it as psychohistory from Foundation novels) professor Peter Thurchin

EDIT 2: Yeah, I was right. Peter Turchin said such in his post here: peterturchin.com/blog/2012/12/…

>As their economic prospects deteriorate, many breadwinners find themselves under unendurable pressure to maintain the socially expected level of consumption. Under these conditions people, whose psychological problems would be borderline in a gentler economic climate of the fifties, today ‘go postal.’ So the harsher the economic conditions, the greater the numbers of those whose latent psychological problems develop into full-blown psychosis.

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MyonNyanMukyuu [2015-09-18 21:42:02 +0000 UTC]

I'm only against turning SKSes, Mosins, and M1 Carbines into tacticool monstrosities because, well, it doesn't really sit well with me.

That and the detschable mags on the tacticalized SKSes are pieces if crap.

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ColumbianSFR In reply to MyonNyanMukyuu [2015-09-18 23:33:08 +0000 UTC]

Yea we all have our preferences overall, and I've seen the Tapco Mags for SKS's, it almost makes me ask why they made it that way with the lip in the front, along with AK mods available, it seems pointless, but I can't judge since it's not my rifle.  Granted mods easier are said than done, not to mention it must be 922r Compliant. 

The worst tactical mod I've seen was a SKS Bullpup, and I've seen a Garand EBR, neither looked too bad, but it just doesn't feel right seeing a M1 Garand in anything other than wood & seeing a SKS not in traditional setup IMO.  Again we all have own tastes.

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