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grisador [2016-03-06 15:31:57 +0000 UTC]

Awesome work

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2016-02-24 14:12:25 +0000 UTC]

Looks really great. You've made it look like something basal indeed by not giving it a tail fan

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PedroSalas [2016-02-24 07:31:56 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful!

I've got two qestions, though:

1. Why not rectrices on the tail?

2. Why the primaries are shorter than the secondaries on the wing?

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yoult In reply to PedroSalas [2016-02-24 12:01:07 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

1. The absence of rectrices is based on its basal placement outside of Pennaraptora , which is the only group known to have them.

2. The length discrepancy between primaries and secondaries follows the hypothesis of the initial usage as brooding helper. Some argue that non-maniraptoran maniraptoriforms lacked primaries at all (ornithomimosaurs), which I don't quite follow.

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SpinoInWonderland In reply to yoult [2016-02-24 14:21:10 +0000 UTC]

"The absence of rectrices is based on its basal placement outside of Pennaraptora , which is the only group known to have them"

Doesn't Deinocheirus extend the pygostyle/tail fan bracket to maniraptoriformes?

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yoult In reply to SpinoInWonderland [2016-02-25 16:08:25 +0000 UTC]

Not in a peer-reviewed analysis iirc. Deinocheirus "pygostyle" might be convergence if it can be considered as a pygostyle at all.

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DrawingDinosaurs In reply to SpinoInWonderland [2016-02-24 16:50:47 +0000 UTC]

Not necessarily, as the presence of fused distal tail vertebrae aren't conclusive indicators of a fan of retrices. Beipiaosaurus for example has the last five caudals fused together into a pygostyle-like structure, however the well-preserved halo of feathers surrounding the tail shows no sign of any retrices at all.Β 

I've heard suggestions relatively recently to start using the term "caudostyle" for this sort of structure, and restrict "pygostyle" to either the true pygostyle in birds or to a structure specifically for anchoring a fan of retrices, I'm not entirely sure which, but I think you get the idea.

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Hyrotrioskjan In reply to SpinoInWonderland [2016-02-24 16:20:24 +0000 UTC]

The question is if this simple pygostyle can really be attributed to the presence of rectrices. And if it's true the question remains if this structure appeared independently or has the same phylogenetic origin.Β 

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PedroSalas In reply to yoult [2016-02-24 12:13:15 +0000 UTC]

The brooding hypothesis suggests a strong flexibility of the wrist favors longer primaries. How far could non-maniraptoran maniraptoriforms fold their hands?

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yoult In reply to PedroSalas [2016-02-25 16:06:39 +0000 UTC]

Shouldn't be that great, as it is very limited in most maniraptorans with the exception of oviraptorosaurs and avialaens.

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PedroSalas In reply to yoult [2016-02-27 07:48:11 +0000 UTC]

Would you find it wrong (or less parsimonious) then to restore it the other way round, with the primaries longer than the secondaries?

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HUBLERDON [2016-02-24 02:10:42 +0000 UTC]

Looks good!

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ShinRedDear [2016-02-24 01:59:17 +0000 UTC]

I'll repeat what I said on FB but this very nice ! It really looks like a basal creature full with common traits to different maniraptoran families. I'm curious however; the published paper doesn't give any satisfying reconstruction and the remains are not many (though more complete than one would expect). What were your references to create this realistic reconstruction ?

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AltithoraxJJH [2016-02-24 01:44:32 +0000 UTC]

Great!

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WorldBuildersInc [2016-02-23 23:00:40 +0000 UTC]

Nyees Adrian Really excited for this find.

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pilsator [2016-02-23 22:41:37 +0000 UTC]

Wow, das ging fix. Sieht extrem gut aus.

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JonaGold2000 [2016-02-23 21:59:52 +0000 UTC]

What does F.I.R.S.T stand for?

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yoult In reply to JonaGold2000 [2016-02-23 22:06:18 +0000 UTC]

Fukuivenator Is Real Sexy Theropod.

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Megalotitan In reply to yoult [2016-02-24 23:30:33 +0000 UTC]

Β 

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Hyrotrioskjan In reply to yoult [2016-02-24 15:08:43 +0000 UTC]

Best acronym of 2016!

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AltithoraxJJH In reply to yoult [2016-02-24 02:10:39 +0000 UTC]

Lol

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JonaGold2000 In reply to yoult [2016-02-23 22:15:15 +0000 UTC]

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King-Edmarka [2016-02-23 21:59:12 +0000 UTC]

Awesome! Β Chalk another find up for 2016! Β 

So what do we have here? Β Dromaeosaurid? Β Troodontid? Β 

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yoult In reply to King-Edmarka [2016-02-23 22:07:20 +0000 UTC]

A basal maniraptoran apparently.

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