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WormWoodTheStar — Cruiser Tank Mk VIII Centaur Mk I

Published: 2013-06-28 20:43:46 +0000 UTC; Views: 4339; Favourites: 47; Downloads: 48
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Description The newest exhibit in Armoured Warfare Museum, the Cruiser Tank Mk VIII Centaur Mk I was brought from Portugal last Friday. This tank led to one of Britain's most succesful of so-called "cruiser tanks" (medium tanks with very light armour for this class of vehicles, but with great top speed, ment to exploit breakthrough achieved by infantry tanks - which were basically "pocket heavy tanks"). namely Cromwell tank. The chief difference was the engine - Centaur tanks used 340 HP Nuffield Liberty engine, which was unreliable and did not give the machine the speed required to serve as cruiser tank. Later on the Centaurs were fitted with 600 HP Rolls-Royce Meteor, an engine based on legendary RR Merlin used in Spitfire fighter. Now equipped with reliable and powerful powerplants, the new tank was called Tank, Cruiser Mk. VIII, Cromwell.

Centaur tanks were used by Polish Forces in the West for training purposes, and later on the Poles fought on Cromwell and Sherman tanks. Late in the war, some of the units were also equipped with further improvement of Cromwell design, the A34 Comet.

Right now this tank is an empty shell without transmission and engine, but the museum staff attempts to find these elements abroad. The restoration will be divided on two phases: phase one, restore the tank as a static exhibit; phase two, fit it with powerplant and restore it to running condition (it is still unknown if it will be restored as Centaur or as Cromwell tank).
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Get2daChoppa [2018-03-21 12:21:39 +0000 UTC]

There are not that many high-definition photographs of the 6-pdr-armed Centaurs, so this is an invaluable reference for my conversion of the Airfix 1/76 Cromwell into a Greek Centaur in 1946. Thank you for sharing this image, you’ve saved me a lot of time!

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to Get2daChoppa [2018-03-22 08:56:55 +0000 UTC]

I've put the sideshot (left hand side) and a similar image before resizing and applying filters on my Sta.sh if you'd need them.

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Get2daChoppa In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2018-03-22 16:11:47 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very kindly for the offer, though aren’t those images of a Centurion?

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to Get2daChoppa [2018-03-22 20:59:21 +0000 UTC]

Ah, my bad. I thought you commented on the image of a Centurion tank in the Polish Army Museum, not the Centaur. I blame my eyes for still being somewhat teary after last cold.

The other Centaur photos I got: [1] , [2] , [3] . Sadly I don't have a back shot because at the time it didn't have the back wall of the engine compartement, but if you visit the Armoured Warfare's Museum fanpage , they might have some new pictures available.

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Get2daChoppa In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2018-03-22 23:50:19 +0000 UTC]

The cold’s hit us all in some way, mate! I can hardly blame you! And thank you for the other Centaur images...you seem a nice bloke, here’s a watch!

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g8ut [2014-12-10 23:37:14 +0000 UTC]

great photo there pole  

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tanker22052 [2014-11-14 04:04:58 +0000 UTC]

Great find and great photo!  How far have they gone in the restoration process?

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to tanker22052 [2015-02-12 16:57:21 +0000 UTC]

Well, there has been some update. The tank was broken into pieces, the hull and turret had been sanded down, and it was brought back to the workshop. You can see some photos here

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to tanker22052 [2014-11-14 06:21:47 +0000 UTC]

I'm not really sure, there haven't been much of an update on Centaur lately. From what I overheard last time, I think it was already sanded down, but they have trouble finding the engine, and this is pivotal for the restoration process. Right now, I think they're focusing on T-55 and PT-76, so they can make place for other tanks in the reparation hall.

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Gendarmerie [2014-01-08 18:26:29 +0000 UTC]

to nie jest centaur tylko cromwell/ this is not centaur. this is cromwel

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to Gendarmerie [2014-01-08 18:49:27 +0000 UTC]

Nie całkiem. Pancerni Magicy z MBP też do końca nie wiedzieli co to jest, ale tabliczka znamionowa w kadłubie mówiła wyraźnie: Centaur Mk I. Na dobrą sprawę Cromwell to po prostu Centaur z silnikiem Meteor (Centaur ma silnik Liberty). MBP wciąż debatuje czy przerobić go na Cromwella, czy zostawić jako centaura.

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Gendarmerie In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2014-01-08 21:33:28 +0000 UTC]

gdybym ja o tym decydował to zmienił bym z centaura na cromwella . nie wiem czy po angielsku centurion to centaur ale jeżeli tak to magicy chyba nie mogą odgadnąć który to który a różnica między tymi czołgami jest taka jak między zwykłym M4 a Shermanem Firefly

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to Gendarmerie [2014-01-08 21:48:30 +0000 UTC]

Centurion i Centaur to dwa różne czołgi - ten pierwszy to powojenny czołg podstawowy (choć do służby wszedł w 1945), drugi - to czołg szybki z okresu wojennego. Wiadomo, że czołg będzie jeździł, a czy będzie Centaurem czy Cromwellem zależy tylko i wyłącznie od tego, jaki silnik dostanie - Liberty (Centaur) czy Meteora (Cromwell). Za Cromwellem przemawia fakt, że polscy żołnierze na Zachodzie walczyli na Cromwellach, a z Centaurami mieli co najwyżej styczność na szkoleniu, a i to niekoniecznie.

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Gendarmerie In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2014-01-09 13:47:23 +0000 UTC]

aha dobra rozumiem

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MercenaryGraphics [2013-12-13 17:21:35 +0000 UTC]

Jeez! Not a whole lot of room inside! i am guessing the Brits must of had height limitations on its tankers, like the Russians!

Very neat if they can restore this vehicle.

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to MercenaryGraphics [2013-12-13 17:29:05 +0000 UTC]

Compared to T-55 and T-72 which I managed to visit inside, the crew compartment of Centaur is VERY roomy. Altough I suppose this will change if they add ammunition boxes and shelves, seats, British teapots etc.

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MercenaryGraphics In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2013-12-13 18:35:18 +0000 UTC]

Looking at view from the engine deck, it looks like it will get VERY tiny once you add all that filler.

Thanks for posting the images!

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Rob-Cavanna [2013-07-05 17:08:34 +0000 UTC]

Very cool! I wonder if restoration will involve repairing that nasty wound on the side -or if they'll get it running but leave some battle damage as a sort of historical record. Like some museums do.

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WormWoodTheStar In reply to Rob-Cavanna [2013-07-05 20:36:12 +0000 UTC]

I think they'll repair this damage, and eventually restore it to running condition, but like I said in description this tank is empty inside and it'll take time to restore it. But most likely it'll be running one day - in the meantime, the "armoured magicians", as they are called, might restore something else (I really hope for ASU-85 SPG to be next, but that's probably just me - most of the votes go for IS-3).

BTW I really enjoy your tank-based mecha from OPDS.

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Rob-Cavanna In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2013-07-05 21:10:12 +0000 UTC]

ASU-85 SPG would be very cool, but I'm not surprised that IS-3 is a favorite.

Thanks very much! Glad you enjoy the OPDS mechs. Plenty more coming. Always one more tank I want to distill into mech form.

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