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Bigriggs247 [2016-12-09 09:59:34 +0000 UTC]
Cultural appropriation. Not good.
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Thorskegga In reply to teenbeen42 [2011-10-28 23:40:44 +0000 UTC]
All we know about poor Sygin is her role as the protector of Loki, which suggests she really loves him and maybe he is in some way worthy of that affection.
Why gods of England?
I am English and my religion is English Heathenry. There are so few records of the gods and goddesses worshipped in England that it is natural to borrow a few from the Norse. Also there is an English bias to the costume and symbolism in this series, such as the Anglo-Saxon ornament and the elksedge rune in this painting.
I try to use English words where possible - hence Godhome rather than Asgarth but it feels right to keep the deities' personal names as they survive.
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Thorskegga In reply to teenbeen42 [2011-11-03 07:41:25 +0000 UTC]
Heathen is the established British name for a follower of the Anglo-Saxon/Norse paganry and used by thousands to declare their faith. Please respect that choice. In the North Americas you are more likely to hear the term Asatru. In Sweden 'Forn Sed'.
Sigyn? She may not have been worshipped in ancient times - could have been just a character in the stories. But if you want to give her a role how about true love and patience.
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teenbeen42 In reply to Thorskegga [2011-11-03 11:24:17 +0000 UTC]
Patience certainly sounds like her... XD
And just because a word has been misused a lot of times doesn't mean that it's right. A heathen is also an equally established term for followers of the Celtic ways, druidism, atheists, and wiccans. It also refers to any religion other than Christianity, so as long as you aren't Christian you can use it with perfect accuracy. However, it's not very specific, because it doesn't actually state what religion you are follwing. I'm a bit of a literary purist in this matter, not in the least because it causes a lot of confusion.
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teenbeen42 In reply to Thorskegga [2012-01-13 12:28:44 +0000 UTC]
Yes, I did. Using something wrong for 20 years doesn't make it right. The cutoff is about 100 years. Otherwise people just forget about it. For example, the word "nice" used to mean scrupulously exact, but since over 100 years ago people forgot, it's changed. You're doing the equivalent of calling 1337 part of the English language.
And that's lovely in the UK, but this is the internet. People from across the world read what you post here, so it might be a little more considerate to remember that not everyone knows your personal little spins on things. It'll save time and avoid confusion to be a little more specific.
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Thorskegga In reply to teenbeen42 [2012-01-13 13:14:18 +0000 UTC]
Personal spin? Read my posts - Heathen is a well known term in pagan circles in the UK.
The formal English language (ie not slang) is defined by usage and precedent. 20 years is ample time to establish a new meaning of an existing word. I have studied UK pagan terminology thoroughly.
You want evidence - the BBC have their own pagan on the faith:
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Any confusion can easy be resolved by checking my profile that explains that Heathenry is 'Asatru' the most common term for the faith in the US.
You are being deeply offensive. Drop it or be blocked.
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teenbeen42 In reply to Thorskegga [2012-01-14 16:23:10 +0000 UTC]
And if the internet only functioned in the UK, that would actually be relevant. You accuse me of not reading your posts. Are you actually reading mine?
I'm not trying to offend you. I'm simply trying to clarify a point. And Asatru isn't the US term for the religion. It's the original term. Why not use it? It sounds cool, and it gets the point across easily. Heathen or pagan are used, even only in the modern usage, to mean pretty much any of the early European religions. This includes Celtic beliefs, Greek or Roman beliefs, Slavic beliefs, and admittedly Norse beliefs as well. It also eclipses neo Wicca, which seems to involve picking whatever you like out of a hat from the way some of my friends practice it.
Not everyone has time to go and check your profile to find out exactly what you mean. I entered this discussion merely because I was confused as to what you meant by heathen, and no where in the original context did you direct me to your profile. I didn't even know you were in the UK until you began going on about it.
I'm not trying to be offensive, although I suppose it could be construed as such if you wanted to. I'm also not entirely sure what you think the threat of blocking is supposed to do. Am I supposed to be upset? It means we can't carry on this stimulating conversation, sure, but what does that really do for either of us? I'm not going to start stalking you or anything, and all I intended to do was clarify what exactly you meant when you said heathen, a vague term by any account. I have also lived in the UK, and there I heard the term heathen applied pretty much as losely as it is in Canada, except that the so called "classical" beliefs were excluded from it.
If you are going to block me, could you at least send me a few links first? I'm always looking for new sources, and UK pagan terminology sounds promising.
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Thorskegga In reply to teenbeen42 [2012-01-15 17:57:46 +0000 UTC]
Asatru is the modern Icelandic term for the faith coined in the 20th century, it is used heavily in the US. The term Asatru is not popular in the UK, mainly because many UK Heathens are drawn to the Anglo-Saxon traditions more than the Norse and dont want to be labelled by a foreign term.
That is part of the problem - there is no official old name for the religion, other than the Germanic name for paganism - Heathenry.
I am well aware that heathen without the capital has other meanings in English (though they are now archaic), but I am not going to tell all the UK Heathens to change the name of their religion because you do not approve.
Drop that topic and move on and maybe we can have a civilised discussion, bring it up once more and I will be extremely displeased.
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Mina-L [2011-08-25 01:16:24 +0000 UTC]
Very nice!
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Mina-L In reply to Thorskegga [2011-08-25 17:43:52 +0000 UTC]
You're very welcome, it's an original take on sigyn and loki.
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