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Regal-RF-amalgam [2011-01-16 02:43:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah SS4 Goku would own all those marvel heroes and a lot more, but he wouldn't stand a chance against any of the strong telepaths like xavier or pheonix, any reality warper like beyonder or mad jim jaspers, or any of the (non-reality warping) cosmic level entities like Abraxas or Galactus.
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TENRU In reply to Regal-RF-amalgam [2011-01-16 07:24:22 +0000 UTC]
When it comes to telepaths they usually have to be able to comprehend the thoughts of an enemy before they can effectively mind f#ck them. Plus you can literally out will power a psychic. Example Storm did it to the Shadow King. Goku is a very simple minded individual with a very alien mind and coupled with his unrivaled willpower, I think the Prof and Jean would be hard pressed to stop him. Don't know much about the Beyonder and but Goku defies the laws governing life, Death and Heaven and Hell. None of these places can contain his power if he didn't wish it to so I doubt a little reality warping power will stop the man. Galactus does not (that I know of) wield the power to destroy a planet outright but Goku can and the entire galaxy that surrounds it. Plus Red Hulk whooped his heralds took there weapons and stepped up to Galactus himself. He got smacked down but he didn't die. I have seen no one in marvel capable of destruction (Dark Phoenix comes close) on such a scale.
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Regal-RF-amalgam In reply to TENRU [2011-01-23 02:43:38 +0000 UTC]
Not to turn the comment section for your sweet picture into OBD forum but they are widely considered the standard of verse vs verse fandom. I watched nearly all of DBZ and a good deal of GT and I never once saw Goku defy dragon ball's laws of existence. If that were the case his battles wouldn't last so many episodes. Stop and think for a sec, Reality warping isn't "a little" power. Even a moderately adept reality warper only needs a fraction of a second to pull apart Goku atom by atom. Or the classic "make it so Goku was never born." The Marvel Universe has many reality warpers, some of which have destroyed multiple universes with very literally the snap of a finger. Galactus is known as "the devourer of world's" he eats entire planets all the time because thats what sates him. His life is also tied to the life of the universe. The one time he was completely destroyed he did indeed take the rest of that universe with him, and had to be revived from another universe to revive that universe. There are at least 20 (many of which are pretty well known) that end SSJ4 Goku without much effort.
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TENRU In reply to Regal-RF-amalgam [2011-01-23 07:21:38 +0000 UTC]
You make valid points. And I must admit just from your statement you are probably correct. I was referring to the movies 9 - 11. In 9 he struck Bojack to save Gohan when King Kai told him he could not interfere. 10 when he helped Gohan and Goten with there Kamehameha's against Brolly. And 11 when he was instructed to stop Brolly's tirade in hell and he just teleported their. Each time he broke a rule. I know its apples and oranges but hell the is the best I got a 2 am. Next up, most if not all of these masters of reality warping are not heroes correct. So getting involved with such a struggle would seem beneath them or they'd be to selfish to care. So I don't worry so much about them. It only takes Goku seconds to defeat opponents weaker than he so it comes down to who strikes first. The Galactus thing is quite interesting and I didn't know of his direct tie to the universe. If Goku was evil he'd kill Galactus and the universe and don't doubt that he can. But he is not so you are right he can't beat Galactus.
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Regal-RF-amalgam In reply to Regal-RF-amalgam [2011-01-16 03:02:47 +0000 UTC]
The same would go for the 'cosmic' tier in the DC universe. Also, (and this is a lil unfair) 99% of the characters from Bleach would end SS4 Goku because they're already spirits and can only be killed by other spirits or spiritual energy. Dragon Ball's "ki" energy is described as 'fighting energy' and 'life energy' so i think any kamehameha would just go right through a shinigami
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DeadpoolKnight In reply to ??? [2010-11-04 16:23:33 +0000 UTC]
noooooooooooooo spiderman! all right goku let's do this!!! eh? they started it? don't give me that! me and superman going to kill ya! right superman?... superman...? aw...
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TENRU In reply to DeadpoolKnight [2010-11-04 18:53:52 +0000 UTC]
Lol... That's so Deadpool. Thanks for the laugh.
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crusifercold In reply to ??? [2010-10-03 07:09:31 +0000 UTC]
...and then Hulk shows up...
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TENRU In reply to crusifercold [2010-10-03 07:16:53 +0000 UTC]
Both Hulk and Red Hulk are already defeated in the picture.
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TENRU In reply to crusifercold [2010-10-03 20:11:40 +0000 UTC]
Hey no worries. Goku could do the same to DC comics as well. IMO.
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illahstrait In reply to ??? [2010-09-08 14:10:58 +0000 UTC]
lol so he's took out hulk, juggernaught, daredevil and spiderman but who is the red guy hmm?
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TENRU In reply to illahstrait [2010-09-08 15:37:01 +0000 UTC]
The red guy laying on the juggernaut is the Red Hulk.
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illahstrait In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 19:04:56 +0000 UTC]
Before this only two people have beat Juggernaught. Hulk and this guy [link] and now Goku lol
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TENRU In reply to illahstrait [2010-09-08 20:10:46 +0000 UTC]
Oh yeah Gladiator. I thought of using him but forgot. His strength comes from his confidence. Yep Goku can take him too.
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illahstrait In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 20:54:23 +0000 UTC]
Yup pretty much everybody from DBZ starts out almost as strong as superman mostly the non humans become stronger quicker tho. Broly and a few others are born just as strong others require training and grow stronger as they get older.
When I seen Gladiator on the old x-men cartoon flick juggernaught around like nothing I knew he was special but I didn't know confidence played a roll in that.
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TENRU In reply to illahstrait [2010-09-08 23:13:43 +0000 UTC]
I'm about to get a little bit comic geek on you so bare with me. Gladiator was defeated by Cannonball. Cannonball is impervious to harm while his blast shield is up. Knowing that Gladiators strength comes from his confidence he gets big G to hit him while his blast shield is at its max. Cannonball stands unharmed by Gladiators best shot and with his confidence at an all time low Cannonball returns the favor. He knock Gladiator into the sun. I assume he lived through that.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to ??? [2010-09-07 23:12:23 +0000 UTC]
Why Marvel? Wouldn't it be more fun to see him fight Super Man?
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-07 23:18:14 +0000 UTC]
I was a big Marvel fan and Goku replaced them as my favorite hero. Plus Goku could do the same in the DC universe so made me no difference. Oh and Superman is not trained in any form of self defense so Goku would whoop him without even going Super Saiyajin. This is strictly my opinion please feel free to debate me if you feel otherwise.
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Xenomaster In reply to TENRU [2017-07-10 15:50:02 +0000 UTC]
Not really, I can name 10 people from DC that can easily beat Goku.
J'onn J'onzz
Mr Mxyzptlk
The Anti-Monitor
Lucifer Morningstar
The Flash
The Black Flash
Parallax
Despotellis
Darkseid
Doomsday
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-07 23:22:05 +0000 UTC]
What about the superheros who can't feel pain? Or Wonder Woman, I think Wonder Woman could win because Goku doesn't normally beat girls.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-07 23:44:20 +0000 UTC]
I would have to say I think he would fight any opponent who chooses to fight him seriously, male or female. Wonder Woman is a good choice but I don't believe that anyone hero in DC could defeat Superman if murder was his intent and I still don't see him beating Goku. As far no pain is concerned broken and shattered bones still cripple you all the same.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 00:46:24 +0000 UTC]
What about Plastic or Elongated Man? Or the Metal Men?
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-08 01:34:42 +0000 UTC]
Cool choices but can they endure the onslaught of any of his energy attacks. Plus you have to touch something to hit it and for that matter you have to see it. Goku and friends were far beyond the tracking skills of the human eye or camera's for that matter at the beginning of DBZ. That is not even counting the increases in power and speed with each power up. How many of DC's heroes can survive without the sun or even the earth both of which he can destroy from quite the distance.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 02:50:51 +0000 UTC]
But Goku can't breath in space so he would kill himself to. And wasn't there a guy called composite superman who had the powers of all the justice league members or something?
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-08 13:14:38 +0000 UTC]
I thought you'd use the no air in space defense and you are completely correct. However Goku is a fighting genius and has his instantaneous movement(instant transmission in the US) that affords him the ability to travel whole galaxies away in an instant(for lack of better words). He can also follow another living beings chi/ki/chakra from that distance. Therefore he doesn't even need to be on earth to destroy it. Finding a suitable planet would probably been done in advance. Composite Superman? Never heard of him but he sounds cool. Is he evil? Does he have Wonder Woman's lasso or the Green Lantern's ring or are is it just the equivalent of those powers? Are his abilities like he's stronger than Superman because he has both Superman and Wonder Woman's strength combined? Need a little more info before I make my retort.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 14:59:06 +0000 UTC]
Goku is a genious? I still find that hard to believe. This also counts for the whole finding a planet ahead of time thing to. It's been a while, but composite superman was originally jus a guy who got the powers of Superman and Batman. But there was another thing where like this janitor or something was hit by lightning next to costumes of the justice league and got all their powers. Yes he is evil. I'm not sure if he has their stuff but lets just say he does. Also, with your original Marvel idea, what about Galactumus?
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 22:49:08 +0000 UTC]
Okay, but I think I know one manga character who can beat him.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-08 23:04:44 +0000 UTC]
I think there might be a few. Akira comes to mind. How do you beat an all consuming energy being. They say you can beat energy with a more powerful energy source in which Goku might still win. Who do you think could beat him?
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-08 23:30:16 +0000 UTC]
Yugi/Yu-Gi-Oh!/Atem...in shadow game mode...with all the egyption god cards out/in their fused form.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-09 04:27:48 +0000 UTC]
Good move. I don't know of anyone who can overcome such unfair rules of battle. I didn't follow Yu-Gi-Oh! that seriously but with cards that instantly kill,absorb,redirect damage and resurrect themselves and others how can you win against such odds. According to the rules of that anime Goku would lose. I'll think about it some more and get back to you if I come up with something.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-09 17:32:43 +0000 UTC]
Since this would be a real fight and not a card duel and all that power comes from the cards. Just take the cards since they hold no loyalty to anyone but the card holder. Poor Yugi wouldn't even know what happened until its to late. He could also collapse the shadow dimension on itself killing everything in it(himself included). We both know Goku is far stronger than Buu and he was gonna do that very same thing and he has given his life twice before so whats one more.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-09 23:49:03 +0000 UTC]
Who said anything about cards? This is like in egypt where they were real.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-10 01:02:27 +0000 UTC]
But weren't the giant stone tablets with there image uses to summon them and if need be return them to the Shadow dimension? If so then the cards serve the same purpose and without the cards you have nothing.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-10 01:50:01 +0000 UTC]
You lost me. If who fuses.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-10 02:09:07 +0000 UTC]
The God cards. If they fuse, it doesn't matter if their tablets are destroyed.
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TENRU In reply to ShonenJump4eva [2010-09-10 20:53:47 +0000 UTC]
That is why you don't compare different genres of anime. Light Yagami from Death Note could also defeat Goku.
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ShonenJump4eva In reply to TENRU [2010-09-10 21:18:17 +0000 UTC]
I don't really read Death Note but I know how it works so yeah, that would also happen.
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