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Inktober 2018 Day 16 prompt "Angular"Drawing this tank gave me the itch that I'm still scratching, reviving my interest in drawing tanks (if you've checked out my other social media accounts you might know this already)
I do consider this among the best looking tanks ever. But best tank ever? At the time, maybe or maybe not.
Let's put it this way. Tactically, it was a good tank. Strategically, not so good since it had logistical and technical (un)reliability issues. And Operationally, it wouldn't have made any difference.
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Let me guess, it's the Konigstiger, the Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. B
Well I think too that it looks amazing, and basically could mess with every tank as it wanted, except the JS2 Stalin. It was a like 70ton heavy brutal metal behemot with a huge gun
But the best tank ever... mmmh not quite... it had a immense turning angle, it couldn't walk over most of small bridges around at the time, and on very few deployable folding bridges, it consumed like a platoon of smaller tanks to make a quite short run, and its engine had so hard time carrying that walking building around, that you had to literally change it like I dunno each month? no I think less often, but like at least twice per year xD
I think in the end the older smaller brother, the Tiger, was a quite better tank, despite the fact that in some sources and encyclopedies I heard that allied and axis guys considered the Panther the best tank in WWII... never understood why to be honest, I guess it was like a Tiger, but cheaper lighter and more agile, something like that? Dunno
Aside that, it's a really iconic big guy, and a really cool design, with its big wide turret having a slightly less modern tank vibe than any other WWII one. And your pic is really cool, neat angle
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The Tiger II was an upgrade from the Tiger I, taking lessons from it but also inheriting some of the old problems and even introducing new ones.
Germany could not match the numbers of the Soviet horde or the American industrial behemoth, and so they tried to meet the challenge with short term quality, but with an already struggling industry and limited resources.
The sloped armor saved some weight compared to having thicker flat vertical armor, but that weight-saving measure was negated by the added thickness of the armor for better protection. Keep in mind the changing situation and the design requirements at the time of the Tiger I vs the Tiger II.
The heavier weight of the tank was not a major hurdle. They weren't planning on crossing oceans like the Americans with their Shermans, and some water obstacles could be shallow enough to be crossed. While their range was an issue this wasn't entirely the fault of the tank but just a chronic lack of supplies and spare parts (and later crew training) to sustain and maintain the tanks throughout their service life.
The Tiger II also suffered from the same issue as the Tiger I in the way it was used in the field. The Tiger I was meant to be a breakthrough tank, the spearhead that would advance and deal with any opposition to its front and once it accomplished its set mission can be repaired and readied for the next mission. But as the situation deteriorated the Tigers became more reactionary, moved around like pieces on a map to respond to changing situations that only added more wear and tear to the machines, without much time to maintain them which meant more and more broke down and were abandoned since they couldn't recover them.
For its intended role, Germany did get a 70-ton f*ck off tank that one didn't dare mess with. But like many grand designs, it could not save the doomed Reich.
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Yep that's an accurate depiction of the situation, I'd only object on two points
- I totally agree on their operational area being made worse by the disastrous situation of the supply line, the training process, and the lack of spare parts, but I'd say that a tank who wears down a engine in so short time, even for the era's standard, has a concept problem (even if I know it was probably aknowledged, it was a "necessary burden" matter, especially in that moment)
- the heavier weight (but I'd rather say the heavier weight And the scarce "agility") of the tank was indeed a huge hurdle. As long as the water body is shallow enough, it's ok, but the first big river that hasn't a appropriate bridge becomes a unvalicable obstacle.
Of course, now I got a bit stuck in the river topic, but the heavy weight is a issue in quite more situations than that.
But aside that, the real issue is that as amazing and and powerful a tank can be, if it's easier for it (compared to other similar category tanks) to be stuck in difficult terrains, its qualities fly out of the window xD (for example, when I was talking about the turning range, that thing made a lot of streets, roads and country passages a trap for the tank if it was caught in a ambush, while the old' good Tiger I despite being a big guy was relatively way more agile...)
I'd say it's a really cool tank, but it should have come in production before to change thing, and maybe they would have had time to fix part of its issues. But as always, History decides otherwise...
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IIRC the engine used in the Tiger 2 was the same V-12 Maybach HL 230 P30 that was on the Tiger I and Panther tanks, and as such the Tiger 2 was an underpowered machine. The increased weight added further strain to the engine which needed further care to maintain, and whatever upgrades they planned such as fuel injection to increase its power output would've made it guzzle more gas that was already in short supply. There weren't much better alternatives to the Maybach engines nor was there the time and resource to develop a better engine for the heavy vehicle.
Had the Tiger II performed better, broke down less, ran out of fuel less, and not been issued to SS Panzer units which were mostly ineffective, it would not have saved Germany. That fate was guaranteed by the end of 1942 and no tank was going to prevent the inevitable.
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yep, that's pretty much it
After all, as you said, it was the whole german war machine that was in pieces at that point, they already did incredible performances with the situation they were in
uhm forgive me, I don't know what IIRC means xD
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yep, pretty much
it was a bit like running on a bridge that is crumbling right beneath you
and thanks for the clarification
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One of my most favorite tanks to use in WOT. Really Nice drawing!
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I concur, there's just something about this tank that clicked with me, despite the incessant bleating of the majority of players who can't do well in this beauty.
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She's a beauty. On my bucket list is to see one in the metal.
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Well, we have only one remaining here at Germany (Deutsches Panzermuseum Munster).
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Take good care of that then, until we can figure out how to feasibly 3D print a tank.
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With a 3D-Printer? Nice idea. "Warning sounds: You are low on molten quality steel. Please change the cartridge."
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"proceed putting other 50 tons of scrap steel in the feeding hatch" xD
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Some company is actually 3D printing rockets
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Nice, I am sure the military will be very interested in this kind of technology, too.
All the best to Taiwan, I have been there like 5 times in my life, my wife studied Chinese language at Taipei. Maybe next time I can try to bring some TigerII blueprints for your 3D-printer with me.
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We'll settle for some M1 Abrams tanks. Or a concrete defense agreement.
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Sorry, no M1 Abrams tanks, Germany uses Leopard 2 :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SndPb5…
And everybody knows how the PRC will react if somebody tries to bring weapons to Taiwan. I am afraid the USA are and will be Taiwan’s only partner in the region.
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Damn, now I have to go through the rest of the day with a stiffy.
Something I learned recently, that while America and Russia tended to more or less "gift" tanks to other countries and militaries (or sold on a reduced price), the Germans almost always sold Leopard tanks in cash upfront. Just goes to show how ridiculous the amount of surplus the two major superpowers were pushing onto the rest of the world, while Germany just profited off of their quality products.
Yeah, and depending on how deep Pooh managed to dig his tongue into the DJ T's ears, there's still no guarantee of Taiwan getting the weapons that it wants/needs even from the US. It is heartening to see a rise in bilateral support for Taiwan, how much of that is genuine depends on how much of an interest Taiwan can present itself to America's benefit.
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Hehe. A good friend of mine from Taichung is as crazy about German tanks as you are.
Yes, the superpowers produced thousands and thousands of tanks during the Cold War.
I was born when Germany was still divided, and a third world war was always a possibility. With Germany as the main battlefield. I love how the Soviet plans were to advance through West Germany into Belgium and France real fast – and at the end of all their battleplans there was this small sentence “Estimated loss by nuclear fallout within 2 weeks 100%”.
In my opinion Taiwan’s best guarantee for peace is the fact, that the ROC is far too important for the world economy. Nobody cares about poor countries getting eradicated, but everybody loves money (communists and capitalists alike) and nobody wants to have a worldwide economical crisis. Taiwan’s industry and wealth are a better protection than any weapon system, except maybe nuclear missiles, of course.
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I'm just crazy about tanks in general.
There'd be no winners in a nuclear war, only those left to survive the fallout.
I sincerely hope so. That's probably some of the few reasons Taiwan hasn't been swallowed up yet.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Taiwan. First time I was there was in 1995, when I was still a kid. I am totally aware of the situation, I have friends both in Mainland China and in Taiwan and there will never be an easy solution, but I pray it will be a peaceful one.
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I'm pretty sure this is a Konigs Tiger.
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