HOME | DD

Su58 — Bolimow 2014 -1

Published: 2014-07-27 16:06:28 +0000 UTC; Views: 2650; Favourites: 54; Downloads: 0
Redirect to original
Description Staging of the Battle of Bolimów. Actual battle took place in 1915 in the vicinity of the river Bzura and river Rawka in Poland.
Related content
Comments: 18

Soundoff21 [2014-07-30 05:23:38 +0000 UTC]

Can someone please explain to me how re-enactments work.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

WormWoodTheStar In reply to Soundoff21 [2014-07-30 09:16:53 +0000 UTC]

You mean how it's organised or how does it look?
Most of the details are determined long before the reenactment, e.g. the actors study where the explosives are located, so that they don't run into one. They study how the real battle looked, and they scale it down to the level that is still believable, but also easier to comprehend for the audience. Most of the time, it includes a commentary from the reenactement's directors.

And then people just follow the script, sometimes just add something from themselves. Weapons fire blank rounds (with no projectile; they make a gunfire noise, but are harmless), smoke generators and pyrotechnics mimic the explosions. The main purpose of such reenactement is to preserve important or interesting historical events and make history attractive for people who want to learn more about past events. It's like history lesson in 3D.

This particular reenactement was about the second battle of Bolimów between forces of German Empire and Russian Empire. Bolimów (central Poland) was where the first chemical attack of the First World War occured (in January 1915, several months before the infamous battle of Ypres), and the second battle in May 1915 started with the largest chemical attack of the Eastern Front: Germans released over 260 t of chlorine gas, killing more than 11.000 Tsarist soldiers.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

Soundoff21 In reply to WormWoodTheStar [2014-08-02 16:09:37 +0000 UTC]

I meant re-enactments in total. But it seems that you just sumed it all up, so thanks for that.

👍: 0 ⏩: 0

FFDP-Guy [2014-07-28 18:00:36 +0000 UTC]

The rifle that one of the re enactors is using looks like a Mosin nagant

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-09 20:49:52 +0000 UTC]

correct, looks like a postwar refurbished 91/30. Standardization of 1930 -

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-09 21:04:00 +0000 UTC]

Ah ok thanks for the info

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-09 21:46:36 +0000 UTC]

So basically 100% historical inaccurate.. which is a shame because it looks like they took great care to get everything else correct.

It would be if civilwar reenactors were running around with late 1880-90s bolt guns. It would completely take you out of what the reenactor is trying to achieve. Which is what happened to me as  a result of viewing in excellent photograph of reenactors running around with period incorrect firearms in a battle reenactment. 

Are these troops suppose to be German? -  I believe they are.. which is doubly wrong.

👍: 0 ⏩: 3

MercenaryGraphics In reply to spaxspore [2023-02-25 03:33:48 +0000 UTC]

👍: 0 ⏩: 0

MercenaryGraphics In reply to spaxspore [2023-02-25 03:31:39 +0000 UTC]

👍: 0 ⏩: 0

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-09 22:07:29 +0000 UTC]

I know, they should really have a Mauser G98

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-09 22:15:01 +0000 UTC]

exactly.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-09 22:29:53 +0000 UTC]

It's like how movies can get things about war wrong too

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-09 22:44:43 +0000 UTC]

true.. 

But i know a few reenactors personally; my sisters father in-law is one.. and part of the reenactors entire purpose is to get it as close as historical accurate as possible; otherwise.. why do it...

Which is what bugs me most about this reenactment.. not only is the firearm timeline incorrect.. but its carried by the wrong group.

At least make an attempt.. it reminds me of  Enemy at the gates. In that film they show Russian snipers use the PU variant. PUs didn't enter service until 1942.. and they didn't make significant quantities until 1943. The snipers in that movie should have been using the PE or PEM platform. But due to the amount of PUs available compared to the PE/PEMs they used PUs.

Now the worst mainstream movie i can think of would be Pearl harbor... nothing like modern destroyers to ruin the allusion of 1941 pearl harbor... don't even get me started on the love triangle .. or strafing of civilians by the Japanese.. pure Hollywood fiction... a disgraceful film. TORA TORA TORA - a masterpiece and does it right.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-09 22:55:02 +0000 UTC]

Most WW2 films made today are pretty shoddy on vehicles, guns and aircraft. The only good modern WW2 movie that can do it right is Downfall, plus Tora tora tora sounds like it can do Pearl harbour justice 

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-09 23:15:36 +0000 UTC]

yep downfall is a good one. Band of brothers, pacific to name more recent - but they are tv miniseries.

The last really accurate american film that i can recall off hand would be Saving private ryan. Russian - Brest Fortress.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-09 23:24:28 +0000 UTC]

Until directors forgot what was used in WW2

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

spaxspore In reply to FFDP-Guy [2014-08-10 02:05:55 +0000 UTC]

or they didn't care.. most folks can't tell the difference any way.. nor care to. Its sad.

👍: 0 ⏩: 1

FFDP-Guy In reply to spaxspore [2014-08-10 11:46:22 +0000 UTC]

I know it is

👍: 0 ⏩: 0