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Goblin62 [2021-01-18 15:40:53 +0000 UTC]
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DunkleMaterie [2020-02-26 06:04:33 +0000 UTC]
Religion... the politest form to demand submission.
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NightLigt In reply to DunkleMaterie [2020-04-13 18:32:05 +0000 UTC]
but...is it though...So many very aggressive threats in religion. Eternal torment, turned into salt, plagues, loss of a firstborn, Jehovah Witnesses...
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Touch-Not-This-Cat [2020-02-25 20:34:42 +0000 UTC]
Orthodox Missionaries didn’t do this, as far as I know. They simply very patiently got to know everyone and lived a specific, selfless life in service to the people and waited for them to ask questions.
The Jesuit model was fundamentally a total dearth of compassionate patience. I think this corrupted mindset’s primary prototype was the political approach of Charlemagne.
Up to his ascension to the French crown, Western Missionaries had consistently followed the same model set by the Desert Fathers, to PEACEFULLY and PATIENTLY persuade. Force may have been used against heretics but almost never against peaceful pagans. Half a truth was seen as far more dangerous than simple ignorance. Besides, their method WORKS. They just have to be very patient.
This didn’t suit Charlemagne’s ambitions, however. He wanted a cohesive Christian State DONE, and within his lifetime, so he could compete with Byzantium.
That sense of entitled impatience particularly grew in Spain, made worse from the desire to retake their lands from Muslims. The fools in a sense became the monster they abhorred, (from their point of view) one that converts by the sword, something Christ forbade when he commanded Peter to drop his.
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stahlber In reply to Touch-Not-This-Cat [2020-02-26 06:10:58 +0000 UTC]
Sounds reasonable. This image is more inspired by the colonization and catholization of the Americas though. Maybe actually more the West Indies than anywhere else... simply because the lyrics of the song seem to lean that way
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Touch-Not-This-Cat In reply to stahlber [2020-02-26 23:35:03 +0000 UTC]
Well, a song about the Enlightenment of the Alaskan natives would have a far more positive tune, I would wager.
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Zennix3437 [2019-11-27 22:45:47 +0000 UTC]
Beautiful art!
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stahlber [2019-11-27 04:19:05 +0000 UTC]
On a slightly related note, if anyone here thinks Stefan Molyneux is right that we've been lied to, there was no American genocide, watch this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd_nVC…
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rpgstilltheend [2019-11-25 17:20:24 +0000 UTC]
There where some awful things the Spaniards did to the natives, both from the Catholic Church and the soldiers. The sight of bare female flesh was enough to make the missionary want to convert them, with methods that included torture. Threats of eternal damnation was only the mildest thing they did.
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stahlber In reply to Diego-Dereshi [2019-11-26 01:16:26 +0000 UTC]
I see, so your argument is in fact:
European Christians never killed or scalped or raped.
While all natives always kill and scalp and rape.
And areas where they were forcefully converted by European Christians never killed or scalped or raped again.
Are you sure you want to stick to that?
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thormemeson In reply to stahlber [2020-01-05 04:55:12 +0000 UTC]
Ah our sanitized history its pretty awful stuff good work though
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stahlber In reply to Diego-Dereshi [2019-11-26 04:30:42 +0000 UTC]
I prefer getting cards on the table asap, instead of hiding behind dog whistles, insinuations or seemingly moderate language, that only gradually becomes more and more extreme. Saves time. Also because I have a bit of Aspergers.
I'm a social-democrat feminist atheist, as you may have guessed. I'll go into more detail if you like. I certainly do not romanticize any native tribes, though it's obviously true that we evolved to live in smaller nomadic units like tribes, and not in gigantic agricultural empires like the Sumerians and everything after that. Doesn't mean I'm against civilization, it's just 2 different ways to live, and we can learn things from both.
Now about you. So you're saying...what exactly? Apologist for European colonialism, I guess. And perhaps a Christian too, because why else would you be angry about that faith being demonized. But you see how I'm left guessing because you're not spelling it out.
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EuclideanMan In reply to stahlber [2019-11-26 11:05:16 +0000 UTC]
I think what they're saying is that modern Christianity is a total separate entity from the one shown in this pic. Like how you can't compare modern native descendants to their human sacrificing ancestors. But whenever someone talks about the evils of Christianity they see it, from its birth to the present time as a singular entity, which paints a totally false picture.
As for the history lesson, they are sort of right, the missionaries did stopped the natives from scalping and killing, not for any good intentions mind you. In natural terms, it was just an evolutionary battle between two different groups and the stronger one won out.
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verox11 In reply to rpgstilltheend [2019-11-25 17:47:15 +0000 UTC]
That is but one of many reasons why religions are a blight on humanity and detrimental to human development as a multi planetary species
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verox11 In reply to Filonidas [2019-11-26 08:17:20 +0000 UTC]
The church would convict you of heresy if you dared to utter or teach something that is actual science and contrary to what is written in the so called holy book. That kind of support you mean?
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A3Kitsune [2019-11-25 14:22:40 +0000 UTC]
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