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- The PoD is Operation Pike being carried out, which leads to both Stalin and Hitler reconsidering attacking one another. With a more cooperative Soviet Union that actually joins the Axis, Hitler delays Operation Barbarossa and takes advantage of a stronger German-Soviet relationship, managing to fight Britain to a stalemate and forcing a war-weary British people to vote out Churchill and negotiate a peace between the Germans and British in 1943. This involves the Germans freeing France under a new Fourth Republic.
- In the meanwhile, the Soviet Union attacks Japan, which has managed to thoroughly defeat the Nationalist government and foolishly attacked the Western Allies and the United States in an attempt to hold onto their gains in China. The Japanese are defeated by 1945, by both the Soviets and the Allies.
- The Germans do attack the Soviets, but they do so in 1944, after peace has been reached between the Western Allies and the Germans. The Nazi-Soviet War ends in a stalemate in 1949, with much of Central Europe remaining under German control.
- The Americans, largely untouched by the wars, become the leader of the Western bloc, while the Germans and Soviets focus on facing one another down. Eventually, the Germans and Soviets mellow out, becoming akin to OTL Russia and China, respectively. Of course, the authoritarianism is still rather strong in these countries, with tanks occasionally being rolled into client states.
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Theyβre democratic, but the options are Fascists and Nazis.
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Why didn't Iran become socialist earlier? Both the soviets and the brits were fighting a war to dismantle the country for its oil, and souring soviet-british relations could lead to the USSR declaring war on the British Empire and occupying all of Iran after a british withdraw (which could still prevent a larger war due to overstretched soviet supply lines).
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"USSR declaring war on the British Empire"
And risk being in a two-front war against the Germans and British? Stalin wasn't that bold.
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That, if Hitler cancels his plan to invade the USSR.
I personally don't think the war would escalate much beyond Iran, as the most the brits could do were bombing runs in the caucasus and a hard circumnavigation of either Norway or the Pacific to attack the huge place. Which would be useless as the soviets could just retreat to the interior and the British Empire had no land borders with the USSR. Would be a hard fought battle, as this was different from the Russian Civil War.
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I don't see Italy going that pro-Berlin when Italian Fascists were literally disgusted by the very idea of racialism having decried race itself as a falsehood propagated by those seeking to control peoples.Β
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Well, since the war ended, only the Nazis were willing to support the Fascist regime, and so the German-Italian relationship grew stronger over the decades. A lot of German racial propaganda managed to travel south to Italy and convince blocs of the Fascist Party, who in turn sought to use that rhetoric to gain the support of Berlin over their rivals.Β
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1. Who rules Taiwan?
2. How powerful is the Republic of India?
3. Who are the main "rogue states" in this world?
4. How tense is the three-way cold war?
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1. The Republic of China.Β
2. Weaker than OTL.Β
3. Albania, Pakistan, French Algeria, Iraq, Libya.Β
4. Pretty tense, particularly between Germany and the Soviet Union.Β
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1. Are the Nazis and Soviets "currently" as bad as say Modern-day China?
2. Is there any regime which has the same level of badness as the DPRK?
3. What did Saddam Hussein end up doing in this world?
4. What bloc is the most powerful?
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1. Around that bad, yeah.Β
2. Albania.Β
3. Why do you keep asking about this guy? He's not in charge of Iraq.Β
4. The Western bloc.Β
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Why is Bangladesh part of India ITTL?
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Hmm... I'm curious as to what's happening in Nazi Germany ITTL. You know; what the culture is, the society, the status of the German Jews (did the Holocaust still went as planned?), the relative status of Germany with regards to the power of the United States and the Soviets (they're the weakest, aren't they)...
Also, I'm surprised that the Germans didn't demand Alsace-Lorraine from France (or for that matter, Eupen-Malmedy), seeing as they controlled much of Europe at that time.
And, are you going to make that Philippine-wank you mention awhile back? Β
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Germany is basically a more modern, less militaristic Nazi Germany, one that is still rather authoritarian but has liberalized to the point that foreigners (even untermensch, but not Jews) can visit without issue. The Holocaust occurred, although not as completely (see: Israel) because a lot of European Jews fled into Soviet territory during the Soviet-German War. Of course, they deny it ever happened, or if it did, that they were responsible. The Germans are the weakest of the three superpowers.Β
The Allies demanded status quo ante bellum from the Germans, and since the Germans were planning on attacking the USSR, they agreed.Β
Yes, I just need a good PoD.
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There was actually a point ITTL that Nazi Germany was practically sealed off, North Korea style?
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Yeah, the 1950s and 1960s.Β
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Was that under a senile Hitler, or Himmler?
If the latter, I assume Himmler was the Stalin of Nazi Germany and the 70s were the period of Dehimmlerization.
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Goebbels. Himmler lost the post-Hitler power struggle.
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Thank the gods; I don't know who thought it was a good idea to put that little wiener in charge of anything bigger than a hot dog stand. Then again, "Nazis" and "good promotion policies" might not go together all that well.
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Yeah, thank the gods it's only Goebbels.
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What about Speer and Rommel? They seemed to be fairly alright guys.
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At least Mengele wasn't the head of their science research... right? right?
Also how was 'sealed off' Germany like? I can't imagine it being as bad as Juche NK, since the Germans actually have the means to feed themselves, to some extent.
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Mengele never reached any position of prominence.
Germany was much poorer, but it wasn't starving. It was doing much better than OTL Germany immediately after WWII.
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Look, you've set the bar low.
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I'm a bit curious about the social climate in Germany. Is there an "RT" (previously "Reich Today") English-language news channel funded by Berlin which constantly runs stories about how the evil decadent imperialistic US will roll into Frankfurt with tanks and force Aryan boys to gay-marry each other?
What happened to Himmler-style neo-pagan crap, Welteislehre, looking for Atlantis, all that kinda stuff? How has Christianity been handled; is there a state-approved "Positives Christentum", or is both Protestantism and Catholicism still "kosher" (heh)?
And if I understand it correctly, Germany doesn't deny the Holocaust, just that they had anything to do with it? Huh. Is that one of those things everyone outside the Nazi bloc knows to be bullshit, or are there Western/Soviet historians who actually think the Poles built giant death camps, murdered millions and millions of people from Germany, while occupied by Germany, without Germany knowing about it?
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No.
There's definitely anti-American propaganda targeting the "decadent, capitalist West" coming out of Berlin, but most of the propaganda machine is reserved for targeting the Soviets.Β
The SS lost most of the post-war conflicts, so the paganism and "Positive Christianity" stuff largely died down. Protestant and Catholic churches that shut up and do what they're told are okay.Β
Germany denies the Holocaust to an extent, saying that they never built any death camps, just internment camps, and that any deaths that may have happened are the result of disease that they really couldn't help. If there were any death camps, then the Poles built them.Β Everyone (except for Nazi sympathizers, who are more willfully ignorant than anything else) knows it's bullshit.Β
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Well, Positive Christianity wasn't so much an SS-thing as it was an "Okay guys how do we justify praying to a statuette depicting a crucified Jew while also hating Jews?"-thing. In fact, many members of the SS were suspicious of any attempt to combine Nazism with Christianity, instead wanting to completely eradicate any trace of the Judeo-Christian faiths in Germany. Crazy dudes.
I didn't really think about it before, but one seldom sees both Nazi Germany and Israel in the same TL. How are diplomatic relations between the two? I assume they don't get invited to each other's parties a lot ...
And speaking of diplomatic relations, is there some kind of UN-equivalent in this world?
What about Anglo-French relations? Are there (sizable) equivalents of UKIP and FN advocating national independence, or is everyone playing nice in the face of the Red/Brown menace?
How is Western culture ITTL? Going by the usual logic (Enemies! Grrr, bring on the Traditional Values (tm)!), I assume we're dealing with a militant, relatively conservative USA/EU, but you never know. Maybe there's gay marriage and porn somewhere. ;o;
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I know, but the factions that took over after Goebbels wanted to go back to more traditional German culture as opposed to forcing Nazism.Β
The Israelis and Germans do not recognize each other diplomatically.Β
There is no UN equivalent, although the "United Nations" is used to refer to the Western bloc from time to time.Β
There are pro-independence movements in the EU, but they aren't as strong given the German and Soviet threats.Β
Culture is more conservative, although not by much. Some states in the US, and most European countries, have legalized gay marriage, and nobody has banned pornography apart from child pornography. Well, the Soviets and the Germans have banned porn, but they ban lots of other things, too.
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Hrnh, I guess Western life isn't that bad then. But I feel bad for my German friends.
Oh, and what happened in the Winter War? I see that Petsamo is still Finnish (Was Old Salla ceded to the Soviets? I can't tell.), so I guess Finland kicked even more butt in this world?
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Well, they don't exist and neither do you. 
The Soviets got kicked out and had to sign a ceasefire after the Soviet-German War. The Finns never got involved with Germany ITTL.Β
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So which is more liberal, the Nazis or the Communists?
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At this point, the Soviet Union has liberalized more, and the Nazis have a firmer control over their state than the CPSU does. But not by much.Β
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If USSR is the PRC equivalent, and Nazi Germany the Putin Russia equivalent, then I'd say Soviets are the more liberal ones judging by OTL.
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Beats me, both suck morally.
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I'm curious about what's going on in the Reich, since they are aligned with the Slavic dominated Soviet Union (and that the Nazi's considered the White Slavs to be "subhuman") who are buddies with the People's Republic of China (of who are dominated by what the Nazi's consider them as "honorary" despite not being their kind of "Aryan"); in addition the Nazis seemed to have settled with using a Polish buffer state despite Poland and its people and culture being one of the prime targets of Nazism.
Also, I wonder if the Reich ever did "reform" like how the PRC did in OTL? And if you ask me, I do believe it's possible: at the price of Jewish, Slavic, and "Untermenschen" civilization.
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The Nazis are no longer aligned with the USSR. They had a major war, and are sworn enemies.Β
The Reich is a reformed one-party state with a Putin-esque (he's even ex-SS) strongman at the helm. They kinda had to, in order to survive reality.Β
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Oh, I just assumed theyΒ did like how Russia is (sort of) to China. Thanks for clearing that up though.
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Nah, they're in separate blocs.
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www.aceshowbiz.com/images/stil⦠This guy by any chance?
Was there a Ukraine situation?
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Also how are the trade ties between the Reich and the EU? Cordial out of necessity I assume? Both could use each other's goods, and how integrated is the European Union here? To me, it looks more like a Franco-British Union plus close buddies.
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There is trade between the Reich and the EU, and the EU is a Franco-British Union in all but name.
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This look's like one of the moreΒ plausible "Axis Victory"Β scenarios, I think...
Good work.
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PS: Never heard ofΒ Operation Pike, until now.
Sounds like I could have been a turning point, had it happened before Operation Barbarossa.
Timing really does play a big role in wars.
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I think a more detailed look into Operation Pike is worth it, although I don't have enough WWII knowledge to back up a serious timeline with it.Β
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Not really, an "Axis" Victory (or mostly a Nazi German one) would involve Nazi Germany defeating the USSR and proceeding to mostly exterminate the inhabitants under Nazi occupation and enslaving the rest of them in a fashion that might rival or surpass the horridness of the Holocaust (or at least redefinite the name Holocaust but I digress). Then the Reich would be in some cold war with the USA for a while until it collapses or something. Imperial Japan, despite being as evil as the Reich, usually gets defeated by the US and/or the Soviets. And Fascist Italy is Fascist Italy, nuff said.
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Β "Axis Victory" meaning some of them still are around after 1945 in good shape, that's the best outcome they could have got. Ha, Ha.
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Can't argue with that.
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Depends on what you mean by "victory." Given the OTL standard is total defeat, a surviving Third Reich is generally considered "victorious."Β
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