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Actually, dehorning generally has to be done for the safety of the animals and people around them. Cattle with horns will use them, and they can injure other cattle or people. (A friend of ours had a calf killed by a horned cow.) Most people who raise beef cattle are now breeding for ones that are born hornless so they never have to go through the pain of having horns removed.
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No one is question the 'need' of the procedure, but the ethics of treating animals like tools and machines for out own pleasure.
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We don't treat them as machines. We have machines on our ranch, and we don't think of them the same. (The egg factories might be another matter.)
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You are still exploiting them for your own benefit even tho you don't need to. Whether egg farms are worse is completely irrelevant. It's like a psychopath saying they are more humane because they use a gun to shoot their victims in the head rather than the psychopath up the road that axe their victims to pieces.
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Our animals live much better lives than wild animals do. I wouldn't call that exploiting, not when they're being taken care of. Overall, it seems like a fair trade to me.
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You're lying to yourself. Open your eyes man, no creature wants to be a slave and end up at someone else's burger.
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I know nothing wants to die, but animals are not humans. Most, especially domestic ones, will choose security and food over freedom. They're still better off than the wild animals, who either suffer and die slowly since they don't have someone to finish them off, or get ripped to pieces by some other predator and eaten.
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Humans are animals, those other animals are simply of a different species, but we are all animals.
Ahhh forgive me then, I didn't know you held the power of animal communication. So YOU know what's best for them all. How could've been so blind? And of course, animals in the wild suffer and die, that's why zoo animals look SO happy and then choose to be unable to breed. Maybe we should bring back slavery then, get the poor people who suffer and die in poverty some domestication. I'm sure they will be grateful to work for you for free in exchange for security, and once you have no use for them anymore, just kill them. They'll be thankful too, like the other animals told you.
Wake up.
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I have a turkey. She's a domestic variety, but may have some wild blood in her since she's not that much bigger than the wild turkeys. She gets to run around outside, and has the freedom to join the wild flock. (Her mother did join the wild flock and survived for at least half a year.) At night, she comes into the chicken coop, and she lays her eggs in the chickens' nests, where I gather them and we eat them. She has laid eggs outside in the past, but when she tries to sit on them, predators attack her. She then chose to lay eggs in the coop, where she will be safe from coyotes. My chickens are in the same position. They are not fenced in, so they could go into the wild, but they wouldn't live very long because of predators. I've also had wild pheasants in the past, ones that were orphaned after their nest was run over. One chose to come into the coop and be tame for quite some time, then when he tried being wild, he suffered the fate of most wild animals. A coyote ate him. (I'm not sure why he couldn't survive in the wild, if it's because he was raised with chickens, or if he stayed around so long because he wasn't naturally able to survive as a wild animal. My hope was that he'd go wild and survive, but that rarely seems to happen when I raise orphaned pheasants, no matter how I do it.)
If those starving people weren't being killed at the end of their lives, I'm sure a lot of them would choose well-fed slavery over starvation. Humans disappoint me all the time since they're constantly choosing safety and security over freedom.
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Yeah, that's the general excuse people bring. Dehorning is usually done because too many animals are kept in too little space. So I guess that accident of your friend did not happen on a open meadow?
Also it's no wonder that even with enough space cattle with horns can be dangerous to humans. Animals are sentient beings with their own will, not machines. You can't blame them if they feel threatened by people coming too close to their young ones and themselves. They have only limited possibility to understand a human's intentions, so yes it might happen that they overreact, and if they have horns, that leads to an increased probability to get injured. But don't forget, even without horns a cow could injury a human fatally. Also as obvious dairy production doesn't come without meat production, which means probably every cow will get slaughtered sooner or later. What gives us the right to kill them for our pleasure/food when we're so opposed to them harming us in the process? Isn't that unfair?
But that's the point about veganism. You say dehorning is necessary, but you keep in mind that you don't want to give up milk and meat. If you would eat vegan, you would neither have to dehorn the cows, nor get people injured. Win-win. (And please don't bring here the "but not everyone can afford to go vegan" argument. The big majority of humans could easily go vegan, and I'm not blaming those whose life depend on animal products.)
I'm glad they're going directly for the born-hornless ones, but apparently this is only available to beef cattle, like you said, and not dairy breeds. Dehorning will still be done, like I showed in my dairy-cow-centric comic.
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Actually, I think it did happen in the open, or at least semi-open. They were trying to get the cow to accept the orphan calf and she had other plans. Even in the wide spaces, calves sometimes get mixed up and go to the wrong cow, which can be dangerous if that cow has horns.
Cattle fight, especially bulls, and there's not really any way to prevent it. We've had hornless bulls cripple other bulls, and it's nothing to do with being confined. They've got enough space they could have over a dozen acres to themselves if they wanted. They're animals and they'll fight for dominance, so it's a good thing our bulls don't have horns. (We run a grass-fed operation, so they get a LOT of space, much more than the majority of Earth's humans.)
We have a few milk cows for our own use and one has horns. The others are afraid of her because she'll use those horns if they're standing by something she wants, like water or food, and if we let them in the barn when it's cold, she has to have her own pen or she'll run the others out into the cold.
I wish people would breed hornless dairy cattle. We have to dehorn our dairy calves, which I don't like to do, but it's the safest thing for them, us, and any calves we put on them. (We have a beef ranch and if we find a calf who is orphaned, or the mother can't care for it, we put it on the milk cows.)
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I see that all these procedures have their purpose (although that doesn't excuse them being done without anesthesia, like it is often done in the business, and shown here in my comic), but I think we talk here at cross-purposes. My point is not to keep on doing animal husbandry without all these painful interventions, and try to improve or justify this or that. My point is to avoid it all together, because what the agrar-industry is doing is either painful to the animals or the humans (like you said with the dehorning, or keeping bulls uncastrated). This is a vegan comic, not a vegetarian one. I'd rather have no cows existing than to forcefully breed them into existence, only to have them go through unnecessary pain and slaughter them at the end. You say cutting off their horns and testicles (without anesthesia) is the only the best for them, but it's not. It's the best for the humans who want to consume them for their pleasure with as little inconvenience as possible.
Go vegan or don't go. What you're trying to reach here is missing the point of my whole comic (which was originally to show non-vegan people why certain humans want to boycott the animal industry ).
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