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CamtheZoologist [2017-03-05 05:20:20 +0000 UTC]
the mixture of black and orange looks fantastic!
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Starhorse [2015-02-20 19:39:16 +0000 UTC]
Sometimes I miss naked dinosaurs. Feathers can look either really cool or really dumb on them.
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Starhorse In reply to pallanoph [2015-03-04 16:32:14 +0000 UTC]
I like feathers if they still look sleek mostly, but don't care so much for chick-fluff or ugly-emu t-rex and the like. Sometimes naked dinosaurs just look cooler, even if less acurate.
Personal preference, is all. Sometimes I do like the feathers a lot.
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Starhorse In reply to pallanoph [2015-03-09 13:56:44 +0000 UTC]
It is hard to know for sure, really. My favorites tend to be mostly naked, but not 'shrink wrapped' as you put it--put some fat on those guys! I like when feathers are used well, and don't skimp out on the cool coloration possibilities. If I wanted to look at a struthiomimus shaped emu, I would just go look at an emu.
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Lunchi [2015-02-08 21:34:38 +0000 UTC]
aw I love the colors.
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pallanoph In reply to Lunchi [2015-02-09 06:41:34 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!
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MistingWolf [2015-02-08 15:44:37 +0000 UTC]
Wow! These two look stunning! How you matched the colors so well is beyond my comprehension, but I'm glad you were able to! Sometimes I wonder if it was a good choice referencing the colors of the red-footed falcon, but this throws all my doubts out the window! Just so gorgeous and vibrant! Such an amazing speed-paint; there's so much detail! Thank you so much, Pallanoph! I love it and can't wait to get it framed and displayed!
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MistingWolf In reply to pallanoph [2015-02-12 04:46:06 +0000 UTC]
Three cheers for speedpaints! Huzzah! Huzzah! HUZZAH!
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wyrd66 [2015-02-08 04:54:11 +0000 UTC]
This is super lovely! I love the color choices, and of course your anatomy. I particularly like the head of the guy on the left; this may be a weird thing to say, but you are very skilled at portraying emotions on non-mammalian faces. (This is something that I personally struggle with, so this is supposed to be a compliment!)
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SargassosArt [2015-02-08 01:05:14 +0000 UTC]
Hey, dinosaurs can be just as awesome without feathers as with them. That's one thing that drives me bonkers, when someone goes "YOU CLEARLY DID THIS WRONG" when drawing dinosaurs. Its not like we know 100% what they looked like, everything above the skeletons and feather-fossils on a few dinos is pretty much strictly theoretical. Unless you're hiding a time machine in your pencil case
Childish arguments aside, now. Beautiful piece. The colors are fantastic, I really love the values in the black. If I may ask, are you using mars black or Payne's grey here? Or something else, my knowledge of dark paints is limited by what I can afford personally XD And the reds are just great, very vibrant, but still nice and earthy. And speaking of earth, those shadows and the way they work with the ground and the grass, for some reason, that's one of my favorite parts here...for lack of a cleverer statement, its just really well...blended? Composited? That was awful. But seriously, lovely work, as usual
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Boverisuchus In reply to SargassosArt [2015-02-12 12:59:31 +0000 UTC]
There's a thing called "phylogenetic bracketing", that is, if a member of a group has feathers (or whatever else), we can assume, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that other member had it too. It's not as theoretical or hand-wavy as it sounds, saying a utahraptor didn't have feathers, even though other raptor species are proven to, is as ridiculous as saying Sabre-toothed cats were bald, despite the fact that all modern cats have fur.
It doesn't always work like this, it is possible that the very largest dinosaurs, particularly tropical ones, were almost entirely scaly, for the sake of keeping cool. This is why elephants, rhinos and hippos are bald. Even if T-rex didnt have extensive feathers, it may have had a mane for display, or arm feathers so those tiny arms could actually have a purpose, or perhaps just sparse bristles or down between scales (we know that T-rex had scales, and bald "chicken skin", but these are only small impressions). And of course, many groups (stegosaurs, ankylosaurs, sauropods) may never have had feathers to start with.
I am aware that the comissioner asked for no feathers, and I am being respectful. But dismissing feathers on dinosaurs just known from bones, in the way you sort of did, fails to acknowledge the fact that scientists do have methods for these things. Incidentally, I don't really think all dinosaurs had fetahers, most larger ones outside of temperate or arctic climate would not have been covered with them (maybe some small feathery accents, crests etc, but not a whole covering).
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dinodanthetrainman In reply to Boverisuchus [2015-02-16 21:37:40 +0000 UTC]
I like how there is still skin that would support the wings like this is a genetic mutation or a sub species that evolved from ancestors with feathery wings.
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SargassosArt In reply to Boverisuchus [2015-02-12 19:42:11 +0000 UTC]
XD I actually just told the last person that said the same thing as you; I wasn't actually referring to feathers (I'm well aware of the science and research behind these, and I love the way artists have adapted feathers to reconstructions of theropods lately) but to other arguments about less concrete/evident anatomy I've seen throughout the internet. About things like, say, whether or not parasaurolophus had a membrane connecting its crest to its neck (which is said to be unlikely, but there's no evidence yet of whether or not it did), and how some people can take an artists interpretation personally in spite of requested style. I just wasn't clear in stating my thought process
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i-stamp In reply to SargassosArt [2015-02-08 06:53:48 +0000 UTC]
We have more evidence that dromaeosaurs have feathers than we do they have skin. I don't mind stylization or nostalgia, and no problem with this picture. But I can safely say that it's not historically accurate.
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pallanoph In reply to SargassosArt [2015-02-08 06:45:16 +0000 UTC]
I definitely understand some of their gripes with paleontological illustrations that cling to older tropes (big teeth hanging out of lipless mouths, lumbering awkward anatomy and poses, listless derpy expressions) but yeah, a lot is educated speculation. I do love what people are doing with dinosaur plumage, though, but that's just my bird nerd showing.
The dark tones are Payne's grey with bits of sepia (and a slight touch of raw sienna, I think) for the lighter areas. Payne's grey, sepia, burnt umber, etc. are all my favorite dark pigments, often mixed with deep dark greens and crimsons or ultramarine blue for added depth.
I'm glad you like the tones in the ground! I almost overdid it, and I'm so glad I didn't. It sounds funny, but sometimes I'm really happy when I've picked the right time to quit.
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dinodanthetrainman In reply to SargassosArt [2015-02-18 21:03:17 +0000 UTC]
Going back to your original statement. I do think that it is pretentious to put feathers on every dinosaur dug up like we used to put scales on all of them and call that science.
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pallanoph In reply to SargassosArt [2015-02-09 06:24:19 +0000 UTC]
Yep, this entire field of reconstructive illustration is... to put it lightly, hugely intimidating, though still extremely inspiring. I can't pretend to be even remotely competent in comparison, but I can still have fun with the concepts!
I need to use my watercolor sketchbook to make a study of pigments and how they interact with each other. I have some knowledge of what types of pigments do what in my own collection, but some I shy away from because some of the colors are so intense or make something that burns the eyes a bit. I do like mixing up mud, most of the colors you see in nature are quite muddy, anyway. (Though I feel it's unwise for me to be shouting that in the midst of folks who worship the CMYK color wheel. I like my magentas and cyans too, but use too many bright colors and the eye can't rest!) So when in doubt, make a color mixing chart, and write down (or at least use a color swatch) to show which colors went into it. I need to do that for all my studies, especially when I am using acrylics. It prevents me from wasting a lot of expensive paint!
Gaaah, thanks! If I ever acquired the tiniest fraction of mastery James Gurney has, I'd simply die of excitement. I do love studying his work, "Color and Light" is one of the books I have of his, it's phenomenal!
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Rainbow-Foxy [2015-02-08 00:59:24 +0000 UTC]
I legit thought this was work for one of those science dino books omg
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