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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-06 10:49:23 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for the compliments! ^^ I really liked your portrait of Daneel too. I must say I'm never happy with how I draw him, because in my mind he has to be perfection, and that... can never be achieved by a human artist I guess. x°DDD
I'm glad that Asimov still has new fans nowadays! Whenever I stumble across Lije and Daneel I still feel my heart squish, even after so long that I've read the books (I was a teenager back then). xD I always want to draw them more, but sometimes I feel like the books have already said everything that needed to be said, and I just don't know what to add.
In regards to the "perfect bromance that doesn't need to go further", I can agree with some exceptions... because I had read one or two fanfics that made it perfectly plausible that there could be more, they were very beautiful, and I had nothing to object honestly. *lol I've edited this comment 2 times before finding that those fics are still available, I thought they'd been taken down by now xD*
Anyway I'm not here to convince anyone of having different headcanons. I too think that their canon relationship is perfect like it is, but I do accept the idea that there could be more in terms of 'romance', but ONLY IF very well written.

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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-06 12:47:22 +0000 UTC]

Helloooo
Aaaah Asimov talk, this is so unusual for me. I think if my boyfriend hears another "Oooh Lije and Daneel!", he'll throw something at me lol, even if he is also Asimov's fan.
I totally know what you mean about perfect Daneel! I'm trying and trying... he's too perfect to be put on paper, however, do you know the... Japanese artist Nolla? She has a huge collection of incredible art and yeah, okay, I'm sure you know her Anyway, I absolutely love her vision of the characters! Her version of Daneel kind of stuck with me and I'm happy.

Ha! Could you please point me in the direction of those fics? I've tried AO3 ones, but only... 2 really got my attention, but still didn't quite hit it. Maybe there is something out there I haven't seen yet

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-06 18:12:40 +0000 UTC]

By the way, if you want to share the ones that you sort of liked, I'd appreciate a few advices myself.

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-06 17:16:54 +0000 UTC]

Ahah, actually, I've been a fan when I was younger, it's been so long but everytime that a 'wild comment' appears here on dA my heart travels back quite a few years. Old habits die hard. xD
So right now because of your comment, I was checking for new art on Tumblr and found this Nolla, I think I saw some of their art before but not a whole collection, until now. His/her representation looks quite similar to my first interpretation of them (with stylistic and quality differences of course - I wasn't even that good at drawing xD), so much that it makes me wonder if we were inspired by the same source? Wouldn't it be fun if they'd been inspired by my stupid art? xDxD I don't think so, but I do remember that when I was in my Asimov period, there wasn't much Robot Series fanart around. It was hard to find art on dA for the Asimov Club as well.
Long story short, back then I had different stylistic influences and my taste has changed so much that I'm not happy anymore with my old representation of Daneel and Elijah anymore. In fact I've put many of those devs in storage or in the scraps. This one is a bit more recent and I was trying to find my new Daneel, but I wasn't still happy with it, then I didn't try again. Maybe one day... xD

About Daneel/Elijah seen as romantic relationship in canon, I just now scrolled through this post on Tumblr that makes a point quite well I think: alcarohtareseere.tumblr.com/po…
But you know, that was just for Asimov to say, and since he's not with us anymore and he decided to leave it unsaid, it's only up to our interpretation.

The fic I was referring to... Yes, I found the links, but I can't assure you 100% that it is as good as I remember, youth memories make tricks sometimes, if you know what I mean. xD I will read it again when I find some free time, but for now I can't guarantee. You're free to check it out by yourself if you wish though:
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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-07 09:32:14 +0000 UTC]

It must be nice to have Asimov's books at heart for so long! But I feel happy to be plunging in them right now, when I have enough mind and heart to understand and love them All happens in good time. 
I can imagine that there couldn't be much art based off Asimov's creations. Actually, even now it's no easy to find much, at least compared to other fandoms! Still, we enjoy what we get, eh? I wonder if that rumour of "The Caves of Steel" movie is true. If it is, I hope it doesn't happen lol. I wouldn't want this magnificent book and its view in my head ruined. Or anyone's, for that matter However, if it DOES happen, then there will be quite an influx of Asimovian art

Oh yes, I've read this one! I didn't even need it, to be honest, to see the beautiful romantic subtext. Actually, subtext? IT SCREAMS in our faces. And I love it! I just love it when it's not quite... said.
Speaking of this work of Asimov's about Shakespeare's plays... I'm glad I'm not the only one to see all this hahaha. My favourite play is "The Tempest", and I think it has a subtext of its own, romantic, though damaging to Ariel, if you've read it. Still... Though Ariel's sex is never mentioned, I believe him to be male and I'm happy

Rant over lol. Sorry, it's not every day I get a person to talk to about this  

Thank you for sharing the links! This is something I haven't seen yet. I am 40 pages away from the end of "The Robots and Empire" (I have a bad feeling about its ending huh) and then I'll plunge straight into the links you shared.

As for the ones I enjoyed, well, these would do, I think
one , two , three (probably my fav)

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-25 15:07:16 +0000 UTC]

About a possible movie based on Caves of Steel... it's been rumored for many years (they surely had been talking about it eight years ago too) but there is nothing out there that proves it is really in the pipeline, it's probably just a rumor brought up by the hopes of the fans. Part of me agrees with you, I'm scared they would ruin it. But you gotta admit that if well done... it would be one hell of a movie! *_* (Maybe if made by a non-USA production...)

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-25 15:01:01 +0000 UTC]

Hey there, I just wondered if you had gotten a chance to read those fics I sent you! xD No pressure, I was just curious to talk more about it (I don't find many people to talk about it either, you know. xDD) I haven't re-read them yet, but I found another of my old faves that I could share, if you want me to. ^^ 
I quickly went through the ones you sent me and I have to agree with you when you said they "didn't quite hit me". The writing style and characterization look a bit 'off' to me, not "bad", but kind of like Asimov-gone-romance-novel. xD
Some of the fics I've read (one is the first of the series I sent you) even contain some small detective case, not very elaborate ok, but it makes the story all the more believable and entertaining. ^^ There should be more of those.

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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-25 16:53:05 +0000 UTC]

Wow I can't believe I forgot to write you back about it. So stupid of me :\ Yes, I totally read all those fics you sent me I really loved the case one, though Daneel seemed just a tad bit too human in it to me. Still, it was ah so good. I love this kind of emotional explosion that took place in the end! Also, it's eh... pretty yummy lol. At least my hunger for more Daneel/Lije was fed haha. I've moved on to the Empire trilogy and I am counting pages till I can start on Foundation and finally see some of Daneel, for I know he's somewhere there lol. But I'll never be tired of coming back to what shaped him as a ... being? Human being? Oh Daneel, why must you be so complicated lol.

As for the movie, yeah, non-USA version might make it, but only if they give us what we need. And we all know what we need haha. I wonder if it does ever come to this movie, will they ever make the next books, like The Naked Sun? I need a target in the image of Gladia to throw things at lol. She annoys me af.

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-25 23:46:02 +0000 UTC]

Now that you mentioned it, I remember I had the same feeling when I read it. I think the main issue is that the author decided to tell the story too much from Daneel's POV. And that is greatly dangerous ground. If they had used a more external POV, just telling what Daneel did instead of trying to analyze his thoughts, it would have turned out a lot more natural. 1) because it's too hard to describe realistically how a robot thinks (we don't even have robots like that, but even if you wanted to tell a story from the POV of a nowadays computer... how the heck do you do that? XD It just turns out too human when we try to interpretate it.) 2) because it's actually more interesting to keep the robot's thoughts as mysterious as possible. They are interesting because they look human but they're are not, right? And thus the more unreadable they are, the better. xD

As for the movie, if they really made Caves of Steel, I guess it would only be natural to do the sequels! It would just depend on the success of the first movie, if it's enough then I see no reason why they wouldn't make the others too. But still I doubt they're ever gonna make it. Such a pity.
Aww poor Gladia, what did she do to make you hate her so much? xD I think she was an interesting character...

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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-26 10:17:04 +0000 UTC]

Yes, I totally agree with you. His thoughts were er... humanized, I guess, and thus making him not exactly what he is, a robot. Oh I hear Elijah's voice in my head, "not a robot", he says lol. Still, he is and this is what makes them so interesting to explore. Robot being human and so much more. Learning to be more than he is. I think, I guess, I suppose that even Fastolfe and Sarton didn't actually realise what they did. Looking at Daneel, he is not like any other robot, I don't think even Jander was anywhere close. Maybe, like with Giskard, something kicked in his brain and made him... think so differently? Learn from others (as he was programmed too, but it went beyond programming?). Life is wonder and something we all don't understand yet. Who knows what soul lives in this creature.

Wow, morning philosophy.

As for Gladia, gosh, I don't know. From the moment of her appearance she became "That Woman". There is almsot always That Woman in a story. She annoyed me with her arrogance, her behavior, her character, her everything. I understand her many motives, but it doesn't make her likeable to me. It's hard to explain, maybe it's just a feeling of a sort

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-27 16:35:55 +0000 UTC]

Aww, no poor Gladia. xD I respect your feelings but I think she was a quite interesting and deep character. She also grew a lot during the series, I remember she'd become quite badass in the last book.

If you want I cans share one more fic? °u° archiveofourown.org/works/1913… Maybe you've read this already though. xD No pressure to read it of course.

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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-28 06:23:31 +0000 UTC]

Bahaha it's the last book that put a final dot of annoyance in her for me, actually And it was very hard for me to get through the first half of the book, to where events begin. But I did it, yay! Hope my opinion doesn't offend you hehe.

Ooooh thank you, thank you! Don't think I read this one, but doing it now! My morning coffee read. It's... steamy lol. The read. And coffee

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P-JoArt In reply to JuliaToffy [2016-10-28 16:43:11 +0000 UTC]

Nah it's okay, everyone has a different opinion!

I'm glad you could enjoy the read I suggested in the best of ways!

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JuliaToffy In reply to P-JoArt [2016-10-29 08:10:57 +0000 UTC]

My my, I read this fic you shared! Of course, it was sitting on top of my head and bouncing there, waiting to be read, though I quite purposedly didn't open any c/fe mature fics. And there it is hahaha, delivered by you. And I'm glad, because it turned out such a good read! So thanks for sharing
I loved it that Daneel chose his programming. This is like a headcanon of mine, and gee, it is canon, is it not.
  

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P-JoArt In reply to AthenaNightshade [2011-05-23 03:15:03 +0000 UTC]

Uhm, dunno, it just didn't look like I wanted it to... :\ But thanks, though I doubt I'd be able to paint like Leonardo! XD

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P-JoArt In reply to Vlad-Sun [2010-10-28 16:21:32 +0000 UTC]

Mi mancano! >< Vorrei farci un po' di fanart serie... Ma quando cazz le faccio? T_T Tra l'altro ogni volta li rifaccio non sono mai come me li ero immaginati, soprattutto Daneel... >_>
Lol, devo prenderlo come un complimento o un insulto?? XDD Ma l'ho colorato tipo alle 3 di notte, è normale che faccia pietà. A lavoro finito poi improvvisamente mi si è convertita da sola l'immagine in CMYK e l'azzurrino è diventato scurissimo, e non riuscivo a capire come farlo tornare normale... Alla fine ho copiato tutto su un altro file. =_=

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Vlad-Sun In reply to P-JoArt [2010-10-28 16:38:01 +0000 UTC]

Non fa pietà, ti dico. E' fiquo U_U

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P-JoArt In reply to Chitter-Box-Kat [2010-10-28 17:05:52 +0000 UTC]

Awww, I'm so glad you liked this even if it came out so crappy! I had in mind to do a better fanart, but in the end, mostly for the lack of time, I couldn't do that. But I promise I'll go back to them when I have time! They are still one of my favourite couple and characters of all the times! ><

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Chitter-Box-Kat In reply to P-JoArt [2010-10-29 12:14:22 +0000 UTC]

It's perfectly fine as it is, though I doubt that's going to stop you, so I hope that when you do find time to touch up on this pic, it'll turn out magnifico~ I don't think I'll ever get bored with these two. They're perfectly matched.

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P-JoArt In reply to Chitter-Box-Kat [2010-10-29 14:59:46 +0000 UTC]

Well, maybe I'll leave this pic as it is, but I promise I'll do more of the two.

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Chitter-Box-Kat In reply to P-JoArt [2010-10-30 18:21:03 +0000 UTC]

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P-JoArt In reply to jrmalone [2010-10-28 09:47:22 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! Since I'm a fangirl obsessed with slash, and since the bonding between Elijah and Daneel is so deep, it was only natural for me. I'm glad it didn't displease you.
Anyway, yeah, he is really difficult to draw and render... usually, when I draw a character, I especially keep in mind his/her blemishes, the little imperfections that make a person unique and beautiful. But Daneel... Daneel has to be perfect, flawless and beautiful. It's surprising how difficult it is to do that. >_> I hope you can succeed with your character rendition, and I will try to draw them again, when I have more time, and hopefully I'll come to a better result. ^^ (nice works, btw! I look forward the render of these two charas, when you do that don't forget to submit them to the #Asimov-Club )

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jrmalone In reply to P-JoArt [2010-10-28 11:58:36 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! And no displeasure at all! I'm always in awe of any renditions of Baley and Daneel since they are not so common. And you're right, their relationship was so very deep and almost intimate. For Daneel, you are absolutely right - he has to be perfect and beautiful, and it really is difficult to achieve that.

You've given me renewed inspiration now to finish my piece. I've been wanting to do them for a long time, ultimately one for each of the three main robot mystery novels, and then perhaps some of my man Daneel as he was in the Foundation novels. What an awesome surprise that was! He's probably one of my all-time favorite characters, and for Asimov to use him to bridge the stories was absolutely perfect!

I'll definitely submit to the group once it's done. We need lots more images there!

Thank you again for the inspiration! And I look forward to seeing more of your works! You're a great artist!

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