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Orphen5 In reply to linneVegGirl [2013-07-02 19:22:38 +0000 UTC]

Thank you

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Orphen5 In reply to Val8 [2011-02-20 23:15:05 +0000 UTC]

ŤҺäמxxx a lot

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Val8 In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-21 12:43:17 +0000 UTC]

Welcome

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Orphen5 In reply to Natl999 [2011-02-18 21:59:30 +0000 UTC]

Thanks glad you love it

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Orphen5 In reply to raccooncitizen [2011-02-18 21:58:13 +0000 UTC]

ŤҺäמxxx a lot

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-17 22:23:26 +0000 UTC]

yay I love that smirk too but I feel we will not see it again in the future games I really hope they will not change her personality as they changed her face ,,,, Thanks a lot sweetie I really appreciate your comment

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-18 10:07:04 +0000 UTC]

Agh, I just recently had loooong conversation as for the new Lara. Well they're not changing her personality, they just look at her features of character in a new light. It all tied to realism now. And as for the new face - we all got used to the fact that she receives a new face each game, aren't we? Moreover personally I adore her new look - it reminds a lot that old Lara, but has smth... I even don't know how to say, I simply mesmerized by her look. And maybe we'll see that smirk in the following games, who knows. It's still Lara after all. It's just that in this part she's young, scared sometimes, so I believe no smirks so far. Oh God, I always talk too much

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-18 21:50:47 +0000 UTC]

you are not talking too much I love to read your comments ,, you know that the most thing I hate about TR that they change her face in every game and from what I read it will be more as a survivor not a tomb raiding with a touch like Resident Evil , I hope I will change my mind and it will grow on me after the trailer

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-19 12:49:40 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I read too about more emphasis on surviving. But I believe that's necessary and quite logical - I mean that will be the beginning of her story, so it makes perfect sense that she's not yet experienced to raid tombs in all her perfection as she does now, hence surviving, not full action. And moreover there still will be tombs Oh, and I didn't play RE - what kind of touch will that be?

As for the face, look at this pic => [link] Don't you have a feeling that you know her for ages, but still there's smth. new? Maybe it's just me, but I really can't take my eyes of her...

And what happened, btw? You seemed to be quite eager and excited about new game, so this new attitude really has taken me aback... Well it's just when from time to time I run into comments like "new game gonna suck/it's not TR anymore/we won't see this and that..." I get really upset, it's not that like they change everything radically, all they're doing is making everything more realistic...

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-19 20:39:33 +0000 UTC]

yeah I agree with you that as the first adventure she's not yet experienced to raid tombs but what I'm afeard of that they said forget everything you know and in the future games it will be all the same no tomb raiding and the touch I'm talking about in RE ( I don't play it too) it will be a horror game , also what I don't like that they changed her bio for the second time now we have 3 bios they could used her old bio from core or their bio ,, after killing Conrad Roth and escapes the island she will do her adventures which will lead her to TRA and meeting Natla then legend and underworld then we will start from there ,,,after the underworld ,,, it's good way to stick with her 2nd bio at least we wont forget everything about the series ,, I'm still excited about the new game but what I don't like what I said above and that they just make us excited and then they disappeared they could have announced it when they where more prepared for it

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-20 10:16:37 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that's a good point, actually I've been thinking a lot about that too. It also made perfect sense to me that why not to make this part beginning of the second bio and then just come back to Underworld. Quite logical. But the conclusion I came to was that probably it was the only possible way. I mean I'm sure if it was possible to fit all their new ideas and changes into the limits of first or second bio they would definitely have done that. But obviously these two just can't reconcile. Also I think they've made a through analyses of all the mistakes that were made during all those years and new fresh start is a willing to turn over a new leaf. Oh and one more thing why I think they right away crossed out possibility to fit these story in the limits of second bio is that I have a strong feeling that they have an important part for her parents in this story. There was a phrase in the beginning that caught my eye - that she didn't want to be in shade of her parents' respectful family name. It seems like a little rebel feeling or smth. 'Cause in Legend in Underworld Lara as well as her father before her were searching for Amelia, so probably they have other part for her parents in this story...

Haha, yeap, that's true But that's just a classic advertising move - give a piece of damn exciting information and then just disappear living us building crazy theories. There're a lot of positive and negatives talks about new TR, but what's important for them - we ARE talking about it, waiting for it and very excited. By the way is there any information when we'll finally see the trailer? It's really unbearable to wait so long...

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-20 23:14:02 +0000 UTC]

""that she didn't want to be in shade of her parents' respectful family name""
they didn't come up with this ,, that was since the first game by core and they could have easily fit this story to the old bio by core but I think they don't want anything connected them to core's games also what I'm afeard off that if this game fell like AOD in core time they will move it to another company and then they will start everything again with a 4th bio!!! but I hope not

also I noticed that they take the ideas from others like
-wolverine origins : tomb raider origins (the first idea)
-the last guardian: lara croft and the guardian of light
-i'm alive game action/survival : tomb raider 2011 action/survival
they also use other games but can't remember them now

I can't say I'm not excited ,, but what I say that I love the old games and have especial part in my heart with sweet memories with old friends , and I'm not happy with the way lara is taking

I think we will see the trailer in E3/jun and the release date 12/2011 or the first quarter in 2012

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-21 11:02:53 +0000 UTC]

No, hon, just think it over - it still couldn't be fitted in the terms of her first bio. Because in that story we already saw young Lara approximately at age of 16. And what was she like? Right - already quite experienced, tough and stuff. And the point of new story is to show her unexperienced and tell us the story about her becoming this strong, independent and resourceful woman we know now. If they were to fit this new concept in the first bio they would have to choose the age younger than 16, so like 11-14. And that doesn't make any sense - it would be rather cruel to put a child into such extreme conditions, break her and rebuild anew. So age of 21 seems the most appropriate - not too young already, but still not an adult. So you see my point - this way or another it still doesn't fit any of the bios so they made a new one.

I understand ur fear as for repeating AoD situation, but I'm positive they perfectly aware of it too. And that is why they're testing everything like mads even at the earliest stages and that is very good. The main reason for AoD failure was because it was unfinished, hence a lot of bugs and stuff. And the fact that they're doing such a thorough job and a lot of testing proves once again that they remember that quite well and won't make such mistake once again.

As for the ideas... well I'm not quite agree, I mean I agree but I see it in different light, I'll explain on one interesting example. In my free time I study Egyptology and there often argues who invented written language first - Sumerian or Egyptians. It was proved eventually that it were Sumerian who did that and Egyptian simply took the idea. But that's quite wrong to say so - because they just took the general idea that thoughts could be wrote down, but interpreted it their own way, in the light of their own culture. And so it's never said that they stole the idea or smth, because it was just the general concept in their interpretation. So we have just the same situation here. It's not bad that the creators take the ideas from other games. It's even good - because they take the best ones and it's even better because they're interpreting it in their own way. And if look at the examples you provided - everything can be justified:
- "Origins" as simply the part of the title - well here I believe it were the fans who invented such title, CD never announced it officially. And as an idea - well that's a good thing. It always awesome to find out how the life of legend began. It doesn't mean stealing, I mean the concept of showing hero's origins is not smth. obviously unique that can't be repeated without being called plagiarism. If for instance some film director decided to make a science fiction saga and show all the episodes in the inverted order that would definitely be plagiarism, since it was Gorge Lucas who did that first and his idea was really unique. And simply origins...well it's just nothing to write home about...

- The Last Guardian/Guardian of Light... well really, I can't see any major idea borrowing. It's just a word "guardian" and it's not so special that can't be repeated in any other title. It's like "chronicles" - it sounds cool, it corresponds the idea of the game so why not to use it? Hence so many games and stuff with subtitle "chronicles". And here Aztec was really the Guardian of Light, so why not to give a game such title?

- action/survival - once again own interpretation of rather cool idea. This genre is getting really popular today so they take this idea, moreover it corresponds the main idea of the game.

I really understand how you feel - I imagine that you got very attached to that old Lara you knew for so many years and all the changes are quite painful, but we can't help that. It's a bit easier for me 'cause I first played all new games and then old ones, so I sort of got used to all Laras and love them all immensely. Well these are my sweet memories... But once again - don't be prejudiced, give them a chance, they're working really hard on new project and I imagine if I was doing such a thing and then came and read comments like "suck/it's gonna be failure/blah-blah-blah" that would be really discouraging...

OMG, I'm soooo sorry for talking so much, it's just when I start to express my thoughts and feelings I just can't stop I hope you didn't fall asleep while reading my flow of thoughts.

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-21 14:43:36 +0000 UTC]

this is the longest comment I ever read , and I really enjoyed it ,, I like your thoughts but still ,, you know if you read her first bio she lost for 2 weeks
""After attending finishing school at the age of 21Lara's marriage into wealth has seem assured, but on her way home from a skiing trip her chartered plane had crashed deep in the heart of the Himalayas. The only survivor, Lara learned how to depend on her wits to stay alive in hostile conditions a world away from her sheltered upbringing. 2 weeks later, when she walked into the village of Tokakeriby her experience had had a profound effect on her. Unable to stand the claustrophobic suffocating atmosphere of upper-class British society, she realised that she was only truly alive when she was travelling alone""

and those 2 parts were we saw her young in the old games were just practise not really an adventure if you know what I mean ,, but they have changed it to a ship crash instead of plane , they could have also add their story after legend cause we saw the young lara there after she lost her mom and grow up to 21 she went in adventure (...........) here they could add their story and after that adventure , TRA come!!

I don't like that we have to forget everything and we already have 4 bios and with the new one it's 5
core/comic/movie/TRL-A-U/ TR2011 I know that they want her to be independent but still that's bothers me a little

and about those games I mentioned I meant they can't come up with ideas they take it from others even the name,, in the past all the games took the ideas from TR games but now TR take it from others


I still love lara and TR and will still support it but I'm not liking the way it takes , what make the game stand all this years was the unique style


btw do you have the art of tomb raider book ?

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-23 16:54:53 +0000 UTC]

Haha, you really should have seen as my friend and I were talking on that very topic and the comments were twice as long

Oh God, the quote you sent was split in the lines in such a manner that the first line ended with words "Lara's marriage". I dropped my jaw I first took it literally and only than read the continuation. But first it was like "WTF, she was married and I didn't know that????!!" But as the matter of fact I still was startled 'cause I sort of heard such biography but I though it was fan made. I mean I guess I read part of it in fanfiction and so I though it wasn't real. It's really such a shame I didn't know that it was official one Where did you find it? Well that changes everything a bit... but on the other hand if we look at the general motives everything actually remains the same. It's like different versions of the same story. I mean in all the bios (I'm talking about 3 just yet, I'll explain later on why) the scheme is just the same - Lara at young age => some sort of accident => Lara must undergo severe trials => survivor is born. It's all the same. I mean it could be worse like really serious changes breaking even the general motives. And in this case I say once again - like different versions of the same story. You know there often cases in history when even in different scientific books different versions of famous person biography is told. The nuances differ, the plot line is the same. So try to think of this in such a way It could be worse - they could have made her married, with a bunch of kids, living in the shed somewhere high in the mountains. I'm kidding of course, but you caught my point.

As for the other two bios. The one in the comics is still have the same general scheme. Just they added a bit more romance. Naturally And there still was a plane crash, blah-blah-blah. And they even managed to keep that general scheme close to the plotline of the games. There was AoD part (and thanks God the bastards didn't kill Kurtis at least here) and the Last Revelation motive was quite obvious (the series when she was killed and escaped Egyptian underworld). So it's quite fine with comics, they are in the limits of the general plotline. As for the movies... I never actually count them in TR history. Ever. I disgrace them. I'm sorry to say that if you like it, but I always considered them to be far from TR in all the aspects.

As for the borrowing of ideas. The phrase about past and present makes a really good sense...but. (I always have "buts", don't I? ) But don't forget what gaming was in those years and what it is now. 10 years ago the industry was only developing, there were a lot of things that could be invented/improved/brought to life. The genres were actually developing and TR was one of the founders of the action adventure genre and moreover it was the first one to introduce female action character. So naturally it was a great temptation for other games to borrow all the best TR had. And now let's come back to our time. There's hardly smth. new to be invented. So I don't blame them for anything. Moreover - one case when you're inventing totally new game, no one ever heard about - so you can use any means, create thing you want, well like total freedom of imagination. And the other thing when this is the case of rebranding an iconic game which already has style, canons, peculiarities that can be neither changed nor broken. So yes, TR is famous for it's unique style and I'm positive it won't be broken. I already told you about that "new light" thing. So it's the same as for the style - it's the same style in the new light of new generation.

No, I don't If I saw it anywhere I would kill anybody who tried to get it before me, but I'm afraid it can't be found anywhere in here... And you have it?

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-23 22:39:15 +0000 UTC]

hehe when I read marriage I was like that too ,,, it's official it was written in the booklet come with the TR1

I know what you mean by different versions of famous person biography I love marilyn monroe and I have 100s of books and pics for her I read them all they all different with different facts about her but at the end those facts were real and they can't change it much so they stick with it but they say it in different way like the way she died!!
so CD could stick with their bio if they didn't want to use core's one

I don't know if you read the comics but as I remember her parents were killed in plane crash ( I think I can't say I'm sure til I check the comics) they didn't kill Kurtis cause they wonted to use him again in AoD 2 and they tried to kill lara in Last Revelation so they could end this game but they couldn't people were angry in that time I remember that I sent them email about it
but in the comic the guy she loved die and they had long relationship and he had feelings for her but she didn't want him to be in her life so we count it as a 3rd bio ,, I don't like the movies I just love angelina and they are fun to watch even though the plot was not that good

yes I have per order it when they announced it back 2009 it's cool but miss around 30 pics if you want I will take some pics to show you when I back

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-25 13:28:40 +0000 UTC]

Well maybe they didn't like it much, or realized that it was wrong to change the original bio (it wasn't used during a long time actually - 6 games VS just 2)...and maaaaybe the new bio will be close to the one created by Core. Not precisely the same obviously, but very close It looks like so a lot, actually. Her parents seem to be alive, this very crash... Well anyway, it's pointless to talk right now about whether or not the new bio will resemble some of the old ones, 'cause we don't know a lot about it yet. But now I have a couple of questions for you as for her original bio. If her parents were alright - why didn't she ever contact them? They were in quarrel or what? And one more thing I heard - there was some story about Lara's aunt and her little dog. That very dog was told to be Lara's greatest childhood fear. Is that from original bio or not?

I drew you a parallel btw the plot of the games and the comics and you're wondering whether or not I read them Of course I did, how else would I know all that? Well, anyway - yes, her parents died in the plane crash as well as her fiancé. But she was on that very plane too, and she was the only survivor. So generally it's that very plot line. And that guy...ammm...Chase I guess was his name. It's not that she didn't want him in her life. He betrayed her once and she couldn't forgive him. Well and the moment when Lara started to forgive him he died protecting her... So yeap, this line differs a lot from the game but there's an explanation. It's quite the same situation when people're criticizing severely screen versions of the books. They always like - agh that was wrong and this too, and there wasn't such motives in the book and blah-blah-blah. But the thing is that cinema and literature are two hugely different things with the set of their own means and peculiarities. In the movies more action takes place, 'cause we always need an interesting picture. And in the books there's always an accent on inner thoughts of the characters, there are always a lot of explanations as for this and that action. And game industry and comics have the same situation. In the games a lot of action is important. We don't worry a lot why we need to go there and get this - we go and do it, because it's fun. Of course there's always a plot-line, but not so strict and detailed as in the comics. The comics show you the adventure that already took place, you're not participating in it, you just watch. And so you need to be still interested and have fun, hence - so many details. They add more subplot lines alongside with the main one. Who knows - maybe there was such guy as Chase Carver (or named some other way) in her life, but he never was showed, 'cause he wasn't important for the adventure shown in this or that game. I don't know whether or not you caught my point ('cause I always put one simple idea in thousand of words ) but I was just telling that there are basic events that always remain the same and there are subplot-lines that are changed in different versions. And as concerns the Last Revelation, I know that they wanted to end the game like that, but I made that example to show that the motive of her death and resurrection was reflected in the comics but through a bit different light. Lara was killed by her friend and got to the Egyptian Underworld (Egypt again like in LR). But she found her way back to the world of livings - so that's the motive of her resurrection in LR.

Wow, that would be sooo awesome. Thank you Oh, and one more thing. Since I would hardly ever find The Amulet of Power back here I wanna know - how did Lara got out of the pyramid and what happened after it?

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-25 22:31:21 +0000 UTC]

why she should contact them ? it's adventure game not mammy daddy that's why core didn't bother about that story too much like CD it's nice that they show us what happens to them but I didn't really care about her family ,,,,, as I remember after the plan crash and she stayed for 2 weeks alone then she become independent and lived in a house far from her family so she can go in her adventures when ever she want

I read a lot about lara but never ever read about her aunt and her little dog O_o

hehe I thought you didn't cause there were some sites wrote about the comics and scan some pages

even thought Chase Carver was a secondary character as all the other characters with her in the comic but he was cool and didn't like that they killed him but was not that important to the plot (( as kurtis)) ,,, I like how andy park draw her in the very beginning of the comic btw and a character Chase was in the first movie

so yeah it's all go in a circle but with different way in telling the story,,,,, but still it's HUGE mistake to change the bio again by the same company and there is no excuses for that they could have change her face make her realistic without change anything in her past

so don't try to make me accept that !!!


someone was watching her and when she trapped in the pyramid he helped her and took her to a hospital in Cairo then they both escaped to sudan cause there was someone following her and thought the Amulet with her and she changed her name to an arabic name

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-26 13:46:18 +0000 UTC]

Her aunt and her dog were mentioned in the comics as well as in some TR forums. I read people making jokes about that...

I'm not trying to make you accept anything. I just don't understand people who're instead of finding and enjoying the pluses of new games always trying to find minuses and keep complaining that everything suck and the old games were the best of the best of the best and stuff. I told you my point of view, how I look at the problem. Because constant complains this way or that ain't gonna change anything except for spoiling the mood and all the fun. And there's no way I was trying to impose on you my point of view, I was just trying to help, but judging from ur reaction you obviously don't want that... So if you still don't see a single reasonable point in all I've said before go on hating the changes if you wish...

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-26 22:51:02 +0000 UTC]

no I'm sure I didn't read about her aunt and her dog I don't think it's official

LoL no I know your not trying to make me accept the new changes it's looks like you are angry from meand I'm not like those who said the old games were the best of the best of the best and stuff I remember after TRU they make a poll in TRforums asking if they want Lara to stay cartoonish and if they want a live model with the game and they allllll vote yes and now they are happy that lara is more realistic and there's no model so most of them are just complaining or agreeing on anything of course not all the fans like that
no I like CD's games as much as I love the old games I even bought the new pack just cause I love them and hope I will like the new one but what I'm trying to say that they have could used their bio instead of making new one ,, imagine after a few years they will change it again that's what I don't like ,,,
TR was a legend before CD take it so you can't change history but you could improve it ,, that's my point

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-27 11:48:08 +0000 UTC]

I'm sorry, hun, but ur phrase "don't try to make me accept that!!" really startled me. It sounded as if you were angry and shouting at me, while all I was trying to do is to help you to come in terms with those changes. I understand that you're TR fan from the very first days so it's really hard for you to get over those changes, but there's really nothing we can do about it I understand you very well - they already changed her bio when I became TR fan so it was all the same to me. I think if they change it again while I'm in fan rank I'll be furious also I perfectly understand ur point, you're absolutely right - but who knows what CD has on mind...

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Orphen5 In reply to Inna-Vjuzhanina [2011-02-27 14:45:00 +0000 UTC]

oh it's my mistake I should have used a smiley face to show you that I was joking about it sorry

we don't know what CD have in their mind until we see the trailer and more info about it

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Inna-Vjuzhanina In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-27 16:23:06 +0000 UTC]

That's OK

I think the trailer won't show much of what they have in mind, but just some of the opening scenes... Or maybe it will. Anyway - we'll see

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Orphen5 In reply to xXxImNotOkayxXx [2011-02-17 22:17:51 +0000 UTC]

oh didn't know that Mrs_Bean is you I will add a link to your account ,,, glad you like what I did

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xXxImNotOkayxXx In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-18 12:05:57 +0000 UTC]

You didn't have to, but thanks anyway!

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Orphen5 In reply to kamilszy [2011-02-17 22:16:29 +0000 UTC]

Thanks buddy

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Orphen5 In reply to Tommy-RKO [2011-02-17 22:15:30 +0000 UTC]

ŤҺäמxxx a lot I really appreciate it

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Orphen5 In reply to esswordTR [2011-02-17 22:12:36 +0000 UTC]

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esswordTR In reply to Orphen5 [2011-02-17 22:34:35 +0000 UTC]

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Orphen5 In reply to BubbleCloud [2011-02-17 22:12:23 +0000 UTC]

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