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((I came across this comment on the internet "who else imagined they were Jane when she slapped Loki".))As a girl I have no problem with this whatsoever. It's just as I watched the trailer this stuff popped out at me.
Why do I get the feeling that someone is going to accuse me of saying "Thor 2 will suck" because of this? Noooo doesn't work like that. By saying its a girl's movie I don't mean only girls can enjoy it but that a lot of stuff seems to have been designed to appeal to girls. If they make it well everyone should enjoy it.
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True, that. It's a superhero movie with elements to please all kinds of people, gender-wise.
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I loved this movie with burning passion . I love when Jane slapped Loki . Well done for him . Was a hilarious moment .
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CRAP! I had something long and beautiful written and then an ad attacked me.
So... take 2.
Thank you! As an Air Force Chick who wears dresses to church and, while absolutely loving Disney movies and romantic comedies, holds as her all-time faves: Lord of the Rings, Band of Brothers, and Gladiator, it's about friggin time that more people started acknowledging that just because a movie isn't a romantic comedy or a tear-jerker doesn't mean it's not a chick-flick.
The other day I was having a conversation with a guy and actually brought up the fact that the Avengers was a chick-flick. His response? "No, there's all kinds of fighting!" Ok, so I'll let slide the fact that I love war movies for now. I said, "Uh, have you seen the actors? It's like a buffet of attractive men." Still took him a minute to catch on. I maintain that Thor/Avengers/etc and 300 are all chick-flicks, if for no other reason than the parade of freakishly good-looking males.
You brought up a good point though. The women in the Thor and Avengers films are all dressed respectfully. They're all dressed nicely, but when Black Widow's leather outfit is the most revealing bit of clothing any female wears... in a comic book movie no less? Yeah, something weird and refreshing is going on there. Granted, I'll still have to deal with all the men I know drooling over Black Widow, but they're definitely taking efforts to avoid trotting super-heroines out in skimpy outfits. A mark of a chick-flick? Respect? PC-feminism in Hollywood? I dunno, but it's interesting and I'm glad you commented. I suddenly like the movies that much more.
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Haha, that's why I make a point to type out any long replies I write in a text editor. I have had too many moments when I've pressed submit comment and my browser crashed 
You know I remember standing outside waiting to start an exam and I overheard another girl make the EXACT same comment. How Avengers totally was for girls because of all the ridiculously good-looking guys. It reminds me a bit about the theory I read about all those fantasy-action movies from the 80s being highly targeted at women. Moms were able to take their kid to see an adventure with magic while she got to admire the scantly clad body-builder type hero.
I'm glad you enjoyed my post so much
They're doing a lot of things right but I think there's still much that can be improved. All the Marvel films were focused on the guys and all the most important characters were, again, guys. It would be nice if the female characters had as much attention.
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You made a point with this meme.
Actually I'm more worried about what is goint to happen than how many clichés and flawness are goint to happen in the movie.
I'm not against Jane, and actually I find the slaping has been funny (in spite it doesn't make sense she could hurt him)... but the whole Jane/Thor is one of the most dull romance stories you have come across in any movie. Just as bad as a random MarySue lovestory. The whole Thor movies would be more enjoyable if they wouldn't introduce such stupid romance... so perhaps that's one of the reasons because people find Jane slaping Loki is funny. Nobody cares for ThorJane scenes, at least as far I've seen.
As for fanboys? Well, they enjoy the movies anyway, don't they?
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Yeah, exactly. Jane had a clear story role in the movie - she gave Thor a reason to sacrifice himself and be redeemed etc etc. But that doesn't mean it HAD to have been done that way. In fact wouldn't it be funny if in the second movie Jane had gotten tired of waiting for Thor and gotten a different boyfriend instead? That would instantly make everything SO much more interesting
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Totally agree with that. If Jane wouldn't be involved in that mockery of drunken teen romance in the story, and she would have developed a deeper and more realistic friendship (and I mean friendship, not "sudden lovestory") with Thor and else, their relationship would be far more enjoyable. And Thor' sacrifice would have get more sense.
I also think Jane would eventually get tired of waiting Thor. A year waiting for a "just three days guy"? Oh, c'mon! And besides, I think Jane has barely something in common with Thor... I cannot picture Thor listening her astrophysics theories at all for example. So yes, Jane moving on other guy (or canon character) would make more sense
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Wasn't Sif Thor's wife in the myths? Sif and Thor make so much more sense as a couple :/ Why couldn't we have that? I would have been fine with that.
Damn, now that the trailer gave some potential for Jane/Loki even THEY make more sense than Jane/Thor. Both seem like the indoors, bookish, nerdy types and I can't for the life of me think what Jane has in common with Thor
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Indeed! Sif is Thor's wife in myths (although she had an affair with Loki, too), and she is Thor's wife in comics, too! In the trailer, it seems to be hinted certain jelaous issue between Sif/Thor/Jane. Perhaps they try to make some triangle between them. My money is on Sif/Thor, which makes far more sense than Thor/Jane, and besides, they both certainly have far more in common.
It does not mean I hate Jane, really. I just cannot picture JT.
I also think Loki/Jane make more sense, at least if we speak about common trails. It doesn't mean a romatic relationship, only; it also may be a friendship. And certainly it's interesting to see the fandom went nuts over Jane slaping Loki and gave a danm about Thor kissing Jane. Why? The chimestry is far more interesting. My only "but" is Loki isn't ready for any healthy love relationship right now; he's too filled of self-hatred and angryness, and those aren't good for love relationships. But who knows? We fans can dream.
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Oh my! What scandal 
I read in an interview that Thor and Sif have some kind of (non-romantic) past to them and it's going to be explored in the movie. I wonder what that's going to be about...
Yep yep, same with me. Jane would probably be alright if they developed her character some more. Who knows though, we need more quality female characters.
I've also heard that Loki is going to be getting some redemption for all his past evilness so who knows. You can't really trust rumours but that would make a nice character arc if it was true. I just hope that if they DO redeem him then they won't randomly make him evil again later on.
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Oh, yes, "Asgardian Liassons"! Episodie #16442149º
It's what appeal to we fans in many ways, after all.
Yes, I think I've seen that around somewhere, too. Certainly this movie is way more ambitious than the first one in that sense. Perhaps writers took a look into the fandom and they noticed one of the most appealing things to us is the relationship between the characters. Thor and Sif appear to be untold till this point, but we had the sense they both had shared something. I'm glad they try to solve those questions.
I also would like they develope Jane's character a bit more than in the first movie. Her character and background is quite dull in that movie, we don't get reliable info about her... so that's another reason for such weak romance with Thor: how can you build a lovestory if you don't write about the characters involved? I also think it would help to gain some respect for her in the fandom.
Loki is a complicate issue. For one had, we both (and other many fans) want to see being happy, overcoming his personal issues and else. We don't see him as a true villan, but an antagonist moved by his circunstances, which isn't the same. However, a quite big amount of fans also enjoy "evil Loki", and they claim for him being like his comic counterpart. I understand this open a door to new stories, but it's insane.
Seeing Marvel's later moves, I think they're teasing the fandom in order to find out what we expect, really. And moving on the story from that.
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Hahaha, I've actually been planning out an original story for a little while now and I thought it would be a good idea to stick to my strengths. I consider shipping to be one of my strengths XD My character relationships are getting a little out of hand now
This is all really interesting for us fans as well. Not just discussing the relationships but the strengths and weaknesses of the fandom. Thinking about what the creators did, why they did it and the result it had is helpful to me when it comes to writing my own stuff. Like talking about Jane, now I have a better idea of what I should do if I want to write a romance between two lead characters.
Have you read some of the comics? I started to but I stopped because he's a "Villain" villain there. Like for example he arranged for himself to be adopted by Odin (via time travel and whatever). That right there removed a lot of tragedy and subtlety from his character. It was pretty disappointing to be honest
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Yes, I read the classic comics back my childhood and early teens, which are quite different from current issues. You're right about Loki in those stories, he's just a plain villan... Eventually his background is similar to Movieverse's, but certainly the character is not the same. I never was truly found on his comics portraying, and since I always love mythology, I found it quite annoying since myths Loki isn't like that at all.
Many fanboys complain about the big amount of Loki's fangirls these days, but certainly it cannot help since the character is way more interesting
As for the coupling-Jane issue, yes, it seems the writers realized how weakly they portrayed this romance (and Jane herself), and perhaps they're trying to solve it in some level.
I only can speak for myself and my personal observations, but I think a romantic relationship is interesting when the characters themselves are interesting, also when their relationship has some tension (i.e., Lokane may be more interesting because that tension that Janethor), and of course the chimestry. If you take a look over Jane and Thor, she's basically unknown by the public: she's just some random scientis character, with not bg, not past and not action (or poorly developed, too), but sudendly the "hero" falls for her... So why? There isnt' any good reason, except for sexual atraction or something. Many people, including myself, cannot buy a sudden relationship like that.
On the other hand, we can see Stark and Pepper; they guy is a playboy, and serius bombastic case, and other many things, but also he's a survivor, and Peppler has been at his side in the shadows, has supported him, etc... and their relationship has a lot of chimestry and tension. You may or not liking them, but the fact is this couple is way more popular than Janethor. Why? That's the real reason.
So, along I'm concerned, if a relationship is developed in some realistic and interesting terms, and it involves interesting characters, it will be good
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They're not allowed to complain, even these days it's really rare for anyone to make a good quality product that girls can enjoy. Which is why I always liked manga more than western comics. It always felt more considerate towards all audiences.
I actually read something similar in a theory about why slash got to be so popular. In older TV shows - and still quite a lot new ones - there were very few female characters and the ones there were were very shallow and poorly written. A lot of them were just there to be the hero's love interest and many people couldn't accept that because they had zero chemistry. The most developed characters that had the most interesting relationships to eachother were all men.
I guess you can see that in the Thor fandom as well with how popular the Thorki ship became. I bet if they made Jane as interesting as either Thor or Loki I doubt Thorki would have become as big as it did. (Though I'm sure a lot of people would still ship it.)
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I agree about Mangas. I also use to read them and certainly both, female and evil characters use to be more interesting than their western counterparts. At least it's like that these days... I cringe at old animes, where women were almost decorative, too. Mangas may be a little male chauvinist too (Japanese culture is like that after all), but the amount of interesting female characters is also big in many series: in fact it's one of the reasons because I love Slayers. Almost all the cast is made with interesting female characters.
As for your theory about slash... Yes, I think pretty much the same. I do not like "Thorki" (it's just psyco, not because being a gay relationship), but I can see the dinamics in slash fangirls. Sure, the lack of interesting female characters, women you can feel linked with in some way, is just severe. Therefore, many women move up towards male/male, where they can enjoy "two hot guys" instead some dull female character. However, I also find many of those fans happen to be quite mysoginous: no matter how good a female character is, they use to despise them. Besides, it's also hypocrite because the whole "I support gay relationships" because the slash, also means "Only if they're hot bishies guys". For those fangirls, something like Odin/Laufey would be gross just because they both are ungly oldman. Period.
That's why I find a good female/male character must be quite the oposite of the current clichés: good characters, good backgrounds, good chimestry, etc...
I know Janethor has supporters, but overall they're quite rare in the fandom. I find Lokane fans are more widen expanded, but precisely because the previus points... As well the fact many fans carve for pairing Loki with some body, and the amount of female characters in the show is quite short. Nowadays, I think Darcy is the most popular het couple for Loki... again, a chimestry matter.
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Well all this is a great example of my biggest internet pet peeve ever: there will always be people who misunderstand you when you thought you were being very clear
lol
Anyway yes girl's movie. Pretty guys. Shipping. Tumblr shall be pleased
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Yeah, what can you do though?
I actually want the shipping for the Thor fandom to get as convoluted as possible. And all the new ships to cross-breed with the Avengers fandom.
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Nothing. That's what adds to the annoying misunderstanding for me |D
As a big shipper and fangirl I shall say:
SHALL THE NEW SHIPS SAIL STRONG
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I beg to differ: this is not a girl movie; this is a movie which caters for both genders.
And I would like to know what is wrong with that?
Calling Thor is 'girl movie' is quite patronizing for the female audience. are we supposed to be hooked in good looks that a rubbish scenario will get a pass? That wooden acting would get applause because of 'good looks'?
In short suggesting that a girl audience is somewhat of a poorer quality than a 'male' audience and it is not for anything that you choose the expression girl as in 'girlie' 'dumb blonde' audience and not the word woman as older and more mature...(hopefully much wiser).
I like the facts Thor appeals to both genders and people seem to be confused over the fact this is an action pack movie (hammer-time!) and at the same time a nod to Shakespeare in the Park.
If Marvel was to limit itself to filming girl movies we would not have had Avengers or CA or any Ironman (I found IM2 very machoman indeed , did I complain of it being a boy's movie?)... Marvel is smarter than to limit itself and its dollars to one gender audience.
It rather tries to please both, and very rightly so.
As for Portmann is quite pretty (this being an understatement and me being quite jealous of N Portmann and K Jennings lovely looks and God I was forgetting Jamie Alexander who is so fit and lovely...
Never demeene your sex, my dear. Never.
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BAM! First comment that properly misunderstands what I'm saying and gets offended. I wonder how many more I will get...
Firstly, go reread my artist's comment: “By saying its a girl's movie I don't mean only girls can enjoy it but that a lot of stuff seems to have been designed to appeal to girls. If they make it well everyone should enjoy it.”
Patronising but I'm not the one doing the patronising. It's the movie studios who consistently make rubbish movies “for girls” thus giving the idea that “movies for girls are rubbish”. Note the difference. Why does a movie for girls have to be inherently rubbish?
Didn't I say that?
Who's doing the demeaning? You latched on to the idea “it's for girls” and mentally added “that means it's bad”. I went out of my way to say in the artist's comment “Noooo doesn't work like that.”
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It is the notion of 'girl movie' I object to. And as long as this notion, including the appalling stupid movies made either for boys : see transformers or girls : see Jen Anniston flicks is blue printed on and on by Hollywood , I will resent it.
If I sounded angry at you, I apologize. It was Hollywood which was aimed at! By the way, woman movie does not object to pretty faces, as long as said faces have some grey cells to show behind their looks...
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Well...usually boys like movies with a lot of action and epic stuffs, a strong hero who have cool sayings....and a villain with better sayings. But there need to be a girl who fell in love with the hero, so they can convince their girlfriends to go to cinema with them XD....(When we are talking about hackneyed clichés - then in complete...
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A lot of that is similar here but I can see that many big things were changed to suit girls.
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I gave up on Marvel years ago. Frankly, a lot of movie sequels stink, or just try to set things up for the third movie.
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I'm mostly in it because the fandom is fun.
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Yeah, most of that is why I have issues with the second one already. 
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Why? I think it's a good thing they're trying to appeal to girls.
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The whole Jane thing. I hate her character and it has nothing to do with she's hooking up with Thor. I just think she's bland and one-dimensional.
And because of all the slash/Loki and Jane art that will make appearances after the movie comes out.
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Yeah she was a little 1D in the original movie :/ I have no problem with her hooking up with Thor either but I do have a problem with how fast it was. But bleh, Thor needed a reason to be all "I will sacrifice myself".
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With the way the Thor movies are going, she honestly doesn't even need to be in the second one.
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