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midsneypixels [2012-07-21 00:30:02 +0000 UTC]
beautiful picture...but I almost wish I did not read the text that went with it.
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booboobanana [2011-08-26 23:48:29 +0000 UTC]
awesome
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lylie-foak [2011-06-16 20:11:34 +0000 UTC]
I am sorry for my earlier rage-ful comment on your tiger claw, I'm just very confused and seeing it being sold struck a nerve with me, as I'm a beginning Biology and Wildlife Conservation student and am currently learning about the problems with body part trade.
I think you'd enjoy reading this website: [link]
It is where I have learned what facts I know. BCR is based in Tampa Florida and has a YouTube channel with informative videos about circuses, roadside zoos, canned hunts, tiger breeding, et cetera.
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NaturePunk In reply to lylie-foak [2011-06-16 23:39:44 +0000 UTC]
I'm very familiar with Big Cat Rescue and the work that they do. One of the conservation groups that I work with is in contact with their directors regarding the issue of exotic animal ownership. They've published some of the writing that accompanies the photo above.
I am actually opposed to raising tigers in 'farms' for their parts, as I believe that no animal should be held in captivity unless it can contribute to conservation or is rescued and unable to be released. I'm also opposed to killing an animal just for its parts.
But according to my personal ethics, letting any part of an animal go to waste is disrespectful to that animal. So long as the tiger parts I'm selling are not from poached animals, and are perfectly legal to sell, then I'm not supporting any form of illegal trade. After all, poachers can sell modern claws and teeth for far less than I sell my antique ones for, yet people chose to buy from me because they don't want to support that trade.
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NaturePunk In reply to lylie-foak [2011-06-17 07:05:25 +0000 UTC]
I work with WildTiger.Org, based in Nepal. They're working to make corridors between different tiger territories, and are raising money for various awareness campaigns using photographs donated by talented photographers from around the world.
And thank you! If there's anything you're interested to know more about regarding my philosophy and such, feel free to ask. I love to share!
TCMs have been around for a long, long, time. But today, there are tried and true alternatives to those 'medicines' so we have no need for them any more. They're doing more harm than good to the environment, partly because the methods currently used for harvesting the ingredients from the animals is cruel and unsustainable.
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lylie-foak In reply to NaturePunk [2011-09-02 02:03:43 +0000 UTC]
This is completely awesome, I'm going to definitely check out WildTiger.org. Thank you for the information, I'll be sure to stop by again with any further questions.
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Terra1314 In reply to lylie-foak [2012-02-26 03:13:44 +0000 UTC]
You really love animals don't you? Me to. I believe they have rights and they are just like people to. Also people say they are stupid because they don't have a language. But they do. Lions roar to each other and birds tweet to each other. People just don't understand them. It's like an american not understanding a person speaking spanish.
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xOhuLegendGinx [2011-04-21 19:34:28 +0000 UTC]
I support responsible exotic animal ownership. Completly taking away peoples rights to own big cats would, in a way, just fuel people to get one. It should be strictly enforced and people who clearly cant care for them should have the animals taken away. Yet exotics bond to people very strongly. They usually only interact with one of two people. Taking the animal away from people would only mentally damage the animal and possibly make it aggressive.I agree with you,I dont support roadside zoos since they are quite terrible places but i dont support completely banning the ownership of exotics.
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NaturePunk In reply to xOhuLegendGinx [2011-04-25 07:54:57 +0000 UTC]
I do not believe that any wild animal should be kept in captivity unless it can serve to aid in the conservation of a species. Exotic pet owners may breed their animals in captivity and claim that it is increasing the population, but the fact of the matter is, none of these offspring will be able to participate in survival plans except in very rare and extreme situations (though most conservation groups won't even consider it).
I also believe that confiscating all exotic animals currently residing in private hands would lead to a multitude of problems; rather, the best method for dealing with the issue is to simply NOT issue any more new permits, and to avoid renewing old ones. Exotic animals currently living in private hands will eventually die out and the fad of legally keeping wild animals as pets will go with it.
Of course, there will always be an underground illegal trade in exotic animals. This has been going on regardless of the fact that keeping exotics as pets is legal in many states. Florida has some of the least restrictions on exotic animal ownership, yet they also have the highest rate of illegals being smuggled in from other countries. It's easier to keep a tiger in your yard when it's legal for the guy down the street to do the same, even if you yourself do not have a permit, because people presume that if it's legal for him, it's legal for you as well.
But if it were illegal throughout the entire sate, you can bet your pretty little panties that the neighbors would throw a fit when they found out.
Likewise, keeping exotic pets legally makes it VERY hard to keep track of where animals' body parts end up after they pass away. Some exotic animal owners use the legal trade in order to hide the fact that they're actually engaging in illegal wildlife trafficking. They raise their so-called 'pets' for the very purpose of selling their skins and bones on the black market. Because it's nearly impossible for law enforcement to keep track of the animals in their care, the black market for exotic animals is now the third highest-grossing illegal trade in the world (second only to drug trafficking and weapons smuggling), generating an estimated $20 billion per year.
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xOhuLegendGinx In reply to NaturePunk [2011-04-25 20:17:16 +0000 UTC]
I remember reading that the exotic trade was one of the biggest in the black market. I personally think that only experienced people should keep them, for the purpose of private ownership. I can see how people would raise them only to sell the parts, but to a point that isnt a bad thing, and what i mean by that is over in china their traditional medicines can have tiger bone in them. Breeding tigers for the purpose of that would keep wild populations from being poached. Now it isnt a good solution since tigers are still being killed but in a way it still kinda helps wild populations. Same could go for elephants and rhinos but thats different and more difficult.
As far as exotics go here in the US my personal opinion is that responsible people should be allowed to keep exotics as pets. But its difficult cause all it takes is one irresponsible owner that has a tiger escape and hurt someone or have some other animal that harms someone in the public and basically all tiger owners get a bad rep. as terrible owners when its not true. So i think they just need stricter rules and harder to obtain permits.
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NaturePunk In reply to xOhuLegendGinx [2011-04-25 21:18:07 +0000 UTC]
The controversy over tiger farms is a whole different kind of debate. I would consider them a good thing if there was an actual NEED for tiger bone wine and so-called "medicines" made from their parts, but as it is, it's all mere novelty and doesn't actually contribute to the health or cultural welfare of anyone but a select few (because although they are called 'Traditional' Chinese Medicines, only a small percentage of the population still believes in using them, mainly because advances in education have taught everyone else that they don't actually do anything). There is also the fact that legal tiger parts dilute the market and makes it harder for officials to find the illegal ones.
And in an area of the world where less than 30% of the populous lives above the poverty line, poachers would rather spend $5.00 on a bullet to shoot a wild tiger, which they could then sell on the black market for as much as $25,000.00, and keep all that income for themselves. A poacher is not going to want to work on a tiger farm. And the kinds of people who buy TMCs don't care where the parts come from to begin with.
To top that off, there is the unavoidable fact that tigers kept and raised in tiger farms are often subjected to horrible treatment, poor and inadequate enclosures, and are supposedly used in fighting rings where they are pitted against other tigers, bulls, and bears farmed for bile, all for the sake of human entertainment. In short, tiger farms are doing more harm than good - and they're certainly not helping conservation efforts. You can read more on this topic (including the official report released by The World Bank and the International Tiger Coalition which debunks previous ideas that tiger farms would help curb demand for illegal parts) here: [link]
As for tigers here in the USA, I still believe that it's wrong to keep a wild animal in captivity unless it can contribute to conservation. Likewise, there is a huge issue with abuse, neglect, and illegal trafficking, and all this from people who legally acquired permits. Many of the worst cases operated under the guise of 'rescue' facilities, as was the case with the infamous Colton Tiger Rescue in California. Here's a link with info, photos, and excerpts from the case files. Some images are graphic, so be warned: [link]
The Colton Tiger Rescue case is one of many instances of what I would call a "good-natured failure": When it first started, the rescue center was apparently in good condition, with an owner that state officials considered 'responsible'. But as time went on and the money ran thin, the owners began to neglect their animals, and supplemented their income by illegally selling their body parts. The sad truth is, no matter how 'responsible' someone seems at the time a permit is issued, there is no way to ensure that things won't go downhill thereafter.
Keeping a tiger (or any exotic predator) is very expensive, which is why many owners are forced to abandon their 'pets' just as the Colton Rescue did.
If someone really and truly cares for these creatures, wouldn't the money be better spent in an effort to preserve the animals in their NATURAL habitats?
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xOhuLegendGinx In reply to NaturePunk [2011-04-26 01:39:26 +0000 UTC]
Okay i figured that most tiger farms wouldnt care well for their animals, most large scale animal breeding farms arent good for the animals at all like chickens and cows. If you get a permit arent they supposed to come and check the facility every so often? If thats the case it would be the fault of the people who issued the permit since they didnt check up on the facility. If they had they might have seen it slipping and been able to get the cats out before all the horror happened. Also if they banned exotics and didnt give out anymore permits people who breed exotics to sell as pets wouldnt be able to operate. For some people this would be a disaster. If that has been their job and livelyhood for years and years and then all the sudden they have to shut down that would do a lot of damage. They dont get any income and they might be stuck with a bunch of exotics that they would have sold but now they cant. They wouldnt be able to care for them and its unlikely that a zoo of other facility would take them.
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NaturePunk In reply to xOhuLegendGinx [2011-04-26 08:17:02 +0000 UTC]
Laws surrounding permits for exotic animals vary by state, but checking in on the conditions of these animals is not a requirement. In fact, it would be illegal to search a private property without a warrant, and a warrant would only be issued if there was evidence of abuse or neglect. In many cases, exotic animal owners who run substandard facilities do not allow visitors because they KNOW they may risk being reported, and so the abuse goes on without notice, often for years and years.
As for breeders, I do not believe that they should exist in the first place. Breeding of exotic animals for the 'pet' trade should be completely banned first, and then the phase-out of permits should follow. This would ensure that an influx of unwanted exotics would not flood our already-overcrowded rescue centers. The breeders themselves should simply find a new line of work; work that does not exploit wild animals as commodities.
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xOhuLegendGinx In reply to NaturePunk [2011-04-26 20:07:06 +0000 UTC]
Well i think it should be a requirement that they check facilities. Thats kinda rediculous that people can get away with that when it takes so much effort to get the licenses and permits, then they can just go and fill up their "rescue" with exotics and abuse them and get away with it.
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NaturePunk In reply to xOhuLegendGinx [2011-04-26 21:27:37 +0000 UTC]
Requiring check-ups on facilities would be an infringement of the permit holder's rights. It would also be VERY expensive and time-consuming for the FDA to check up on every single private establishment housing exotics, unless they were fueled by state tax dollars, but you can be certain that regular voters would be opposed to this anyhow.
This is why I think it should just be illegal to keep wild animals as pets at all. I mean, sure, there are a handful of responsible owners, but they cannot contribute to conservation efforts, and are, in fact, doing more harm than good by keeping a wild animal in their back yard. Many of them claim that they do it because they love the animals, but if that were really true, you'd expect them to be focusing their efforts on protecting these creatures in the wild where they belong.
You also have to consider the fact that if it's legal for them, it's also legal for people who are completely inept as exotic animal owners. They may have passed the requirements for a permit, but that doesn't stop thousands of people from abusing, neglecting, and even killing their animals as a result of money troubles, greed, and sheer stupidity.
I have worked with far too many rescued exotics to think that the practice is right. One particular case (story and photo here: [link] ) was especially disturbing to me, and I actually made a call to my state congress regarding the issue. That same year, a new bill was passed outlawing exotic predators as pets in Oregon.
Recently, Ohio made a similar ban, and Florida (one of the worst states when it comes to laws regulating exotics) has finally increased restrictions for permit holders, as well. I honestly hope that before I die, it will be illegal in all 50 states to keep wild animals as pets.
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thandav [2011-04-16 07:38:55 +0000 UTC]
cool
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NaturePunk In reply to Sirensoul-Alchemist [2011-01-21 22:26:35 +0000 UTC]
I used to live in Jakarta, Indonesia. The vendor at the open-air markets there would often sell tiger parts in the street as if it were no big deal.
The first live tiger I ever saw was cooped up in a cage at a roadside zoo in Malaysia. He was drugged so that people could pet him without having to worry about being attacked. I was five years old then, and I have never forgotten it.
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Mozisart [2011-01-17 16:41:06 +0000 UTC]
Gosh!! What an eye opener, I never cease to wonder why on earth people would want to keep wild cats and other exotic creatures for "pets". Fortunately it is only on a small scale over this side of the pond, but it does happen although we don't have "roadside zoos" thank goodness. We do have conservation zoos and wildlife parks which are very well managed. Thanks for highlighting this.
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animal-lover-koto [2011-01-10 00:06:11 +0000 UTC]
Wonderful, wonderful points about AZA accreditation and tiger conservation!
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NaturePunk In reply to animal-lover-koto [2011-01-10 00:09:51 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! It's a shame that more people don't know the difference between roadside zoos and those which work for conservation. Makes me wonder if roadside zoos would even exist if this info were common knowledge.
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animal-lover-koto In reply to NaturePunk [2011-01-10 00:15:59 +0000 UTC]
I really wish that were true, however I have a feeling that there people out there who would ignore the common knowledge.
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NaturePunk In reply to animal-lover-koto [2011-01-10 00:25:23 +0000 UTC]
A few people would, yes. But if the majority stopped supporting roadside zoos, they would no longer have enough business to continue.
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aztecwolves [2010-12-30 23:43:47 +0000 UTC]
that's an f**n scary picture man! sad to hear about them
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NaturePunk In reply to aztecwolves [2010-12-31 00:11:09 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! I could smell his breath when I took the shot, even though I was using a 300mm lens. It was amazing.
And indeed, it is sad that the laws in America would allow someone to keep an animal like that as a 'pet'. It's a danger to the cats, and to the people involved.
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S-C-O-R-C-H-95 [2010-12-28 18:57:03 +0000 UTC]
awesum pic..sad story
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NaturePunk In reply to S-C-O-R-C-H-95 [2010-12-28 19:16:02 +0000 UTC]
What's amazing to me is the fact that many people don't know just how many tigers there are as 'pets' in the United States. I think that if more people knew, more would be done to stop it.
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S-C-O-R-C-H-95 In reply to NaturePunk [2010-12-29 02:18:30 +0000 UTC]
but they arnt all treated badly, cant be the majority?=/
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NaturePunk In reply to S-C-O-R-C-H-95 [2010-12-29 02:45:47 +0000 UTC]
From my experience, not all are treated BADLY, but they could certainly be treated BETTER. One of the worst cases I saw was at a roadside zoo in Bandon, Oregon, where a crossbred tiger was licking a concrete wall for no apparent reason. He did so for quite some time, at which point his tongue started to bleed and he had to stop because it became too painful. I believe that it was because he was bored, and had perhaps developed a mild case of dementia as many captive predators do. The best case I've seen was another roadside zoo in Oregon, where their cats had a grass lawn and wooden structure to sleep on. But even there, the animals still displayed incessant pacing behaviors, to the point that the grass had died where they walked.
Regardless of the way they're treated, I do not believe it's ethical to keep an animal like that in captivity unless it can contribute to the survival of the species. And since roadside zoos and private owners cannot participate in breeding programs, they are all unethical by default in my book.
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S-C-O-R-C-H-95 In reply to NaturePunk [2010-12-29 02:54:08 +0000 UTC]
ill chuck your name about with ppl i kno..see if u getsome morehits
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