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maeseward1 In reply to GracieCat96 [2020-05-03 15:35:13 +0000 UTC]

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KDN91 In reply to Animatorsnake [2016-08-11 23:47:26 +0000 UTC]

Celestia's not afraid to have fun. The tea drinking scene in "A Bird In The Hoof" is a good example. She's been doing this for over 1000 years. She's tired of the formalities and traditions that separate her from her subjects. She wants to be just one of the girls.

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BenCurt In reply to KDN91 [2018-08-29 14:35:59 +0000 UTC]

She wasn't supposed to be that old. Alicorns are normally given an extra fifty years or so to their lifespan upon transformation. But after the Nightmare Moon Duel, the Elements put the lives of both princess on hold. They would stay the same age for a full millennium until Luna came home. While some people would consider that long a lifetime to be a massive gift,  it proved to be a terrible curse for Celestia.
First her mother, Nova Eclipse, now Lunaria, and their father was long gone after a tragedy just before their birth. Luna was all she had left, but now Celestia had no choice but to adapt to living without the only one she had left.

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Xidphel In reply to KDN91 [2016-11-17 00:43:47 +0000 UTC]

Let's not forget she invited the girls in the first GGG and DISCORD in the second one just for that reason.

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jardape In reply to princessluna1366 [2017-08-07 11:52:36 +0000 UTC]

Common symbols in pony society.

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ThePatrioticPony In reply to princessluna1366 [2016-08-08 04:33:04 +0000 UTC]

Oh my gosh, I never noticed that before; that's so cool!  Well spotted!

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Sugarcookie29 In reply to Kaijufan97 [2015-12-11 22:47:05 +0000 UTC]

YES
GET ON WITH IT FOR SEASON 6 HASBRO

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marinus18 In reply to firekirby135 [2017-08-13 15:23:08 +0000 UTC]

I don't agree. Celestia also introduces other to harsher elements. When she scolded Twilight she didn't try at all to cheer her up. She let Twilight feel bad about herself. That was the right call but it goes directly against the element of laughter.

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firekirby135 In reply to marinus18 [2017-08-14 02:38:29 +0000 UTC]

Ah, but isn't the first rule of comedy timing? A crucial part to all humor is knowing the time and place where its appropriate. Even Pinkie is aware that not every situation is best solved with fun. In fact, she's gotten herself into trouble in multiple circumstances when she DIDN'T consider this. Besides, as the show has presented on multiple occasions, being a wielder of an element does NOT mean they must follow that element forever, and much like someone can pick up a virtue with time, so too can one be lost. Remember, before AJ became the Element of Honesty, she lied. A lot. (see: Where the Apple Lies) And much like she didn't have the Element of Harmony then, Celestia currently no longer has the Elements of Harmony. She even said herself that the Elements no longer belong to her, meaning she's not necessarily ties to their virtues.

All this said, she still holds a significantly higher sense of humor compared to her sister, even in the more recent episodes of the show. So it stands to reason that, if the elements WERE specifically tied to the sisters individually, Celestia likely would have held the Laughter between the two.

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UnstableSun69 In reply to firekirby135 [2016-03-01 03:39:42 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. (I commented on a reply to you if you want to see what fevered theory I have.)

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urzapw2000 In reply to firekirby135 [2015-08-17 02:09:35 +0000 UTC]

so if the both had three...
Laughter...Kindness...Magic?
which leaves Luna with...
Loyalty, Honesty, and Generosity?

I dunno...

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UnstableSun69 In reply to urzapw2000 [2016-02-27 19:04:20 +0000 UTC]

I would switch Loyalty and Magic.
Tia: Laughter, Kindness and Loyalty.
Luna: Honesty, Generosity and Magic.

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urzapw2000 In reply to UnstableSun69 [2016-02-28 07:53:39 +0000 UTC]

hummm...
maybe...I still don't know...
I read a theory that when Luna became Nightmare Moon her elements were reversed
so Loyalty became disloyalty, Honesty became Dishonesty and Generosity became Greed...
it would explain some of her actions when she was Nightmare Moon...
so.. that's one theory...

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UnstableSun69 In reply to urzapw2000 [2016-03-01 03:38:12 +0000 UTC]

Let me extrapolate a bit more on why I chose what I did for the two.
Tia:
Laughter - We've seen her playing little pranks in the show. Even going along with Philomena pranking poor Butterbutt. Not to mention what she likes to do to the Gala. hehe
Kindness - I think this is a no brainer. She is super kind and patient with everypony. Pretty much a kind mother to all.
Loyalty - I can think of no pony that has more loyalty than Celestia. Loyal to her subjects and the nation itself to a fault.

Luna: (NNM)
Honesty - She is definitely honest in her opinions and her abilities and later on her limitations. (NNM) She laid it out what she was going to do and honestly thought it would be the right decision.
Magic - She has shown that she is THE pony when it comes to magic. Just look at Luna Eclipsed. I think she has more magical potential that even her sister. (NMM) Nothing really different other than being not afraid to use more??
Generosity - She is generous to her subjects by protecting them when they vulnerable in their dreams as well as providing a lovely night for them. (NMM) Even corrupted she still is generous. She generously will bring the beautiful night to all forever.

She had a disconnect from the actual EoH because of her twisted take on them so that's probably the only reason Tia was able to use them on her.
(Also in the show we see Tia with the Element of Magic which kinda throws my theory out the window.. but I think that was just in the animation dept and not the writing dept. *shrugs* we may never know lol)
Anyways. Glad to read anothers theories on this.

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firekirby135 In reply to UnstableSun69 [2016-03-01 11:03:57 +0000 UTC]

Couple things of note:
1) Luna's greatest magical feat as NMM was holding the moon in front of the Sun. Celestia's greatest magical feats are controlling both her sun AND Luna's moon and stars, wielding all elements of harmony at once, and turning a unicorn into an alicorn. While her kind-hearted nature leads her to be less skilled when it comes to combat, none can truly compare to Celestia's magical prowess.
2) Celestia banished her sister to the moon. While it is somewhat unclear how much control the wielders have/had over the EoH, Celestia shows remorse, implying she knew exactly what she was doing at the time. Now I don't know about you, but I would expect someone meant to represent loyalty to look for a better solution rather than a temporary out, especially when it concerns her sister of all people. (might just be me, though. XD)
3) Luna created the Tantabus as repentance for betraying everyone's trust in her. Whenever she thinks back to her disloyalty as Nightmare Moon, it tears her apart, and the Tantabus is her attempt to ensure she stays loyal to Equestria forever more.

Of course, in the end, this is all just heavy speculation on a topic I highly doubt they'll ever cover in the show. As a result, there is no right or wrong, simply feasibility and likelihood.

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marinus18 In reply to firekirby135 [2017-08-13 15:31:12 +0000 UTC]

I think generosity fits Celestia more. She is very selfless in how she does so much thankless work with a smile on her face. She takes on the jobs of many ponies and keeps her emotions hidden because she doesn't want to bother her subjects with them. Celestia's all about giving while getting nothing in return.

You can actually see that well here. Celestia doesn't care about how tired she is and keeps smiling.

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firekirby135 In reply to marinus18 [2017-08-14 03:02:30 +0000 UTC]

Very true. To be honest, Generosity was one of the elements that was a bit harder for me to place between the two, considering how well both seem to fit the bill. However, I settled on Luna due to her continuous role watching over the dreams of every single one of her subjects, on top of her always going above and beyond to make nighttime as magnificent as possible for any who chose to cherish it. Plus, it worked more with the corruption idea for Luna to have it, as it meant that not only did Luna turn into a greedy monster, but it would also mean that BOTH wielders of the Element of Generosity would have been corrupted by Nightmare, pushing the idea that those holding the Element are more susceptible to Nightmare. (see: MLP Comic Issues 5-8, the "Nightmare Rarity arc)

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UnstableSun69 In reply to firekirby135 [2016-03-02 01:27:28 +0000 UTC]

All very good points.
We've also seen Celestia teleport to Canterlot from Ponyville. That's an impressive feat as well. Even Twilight can't do that.
I'd say it wasn't her lack of loyalty to her sister but a forced hoof as it were concerning Lunas' banishment. *shrugs* We'll probably never know as you say. hehe
Your third point is the best one. I did have this theory well before seeing DPDoMS and never thought to revisit it till now and when you brought it up.

Again, as you say, we'll probably never see it in the show but it is fun to speculate on. Thanks for the reply.

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urzapw2000 In reply to UnstableSun69 [2016-03-01 04:23:41 +0000 UTC]

nice theory!

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firekirby135 In reply to urzapw2000 [2015-08-17 02:36:35 +0000 UTC]

Eeyup. That's actually the same possession of the elements back when I came up with the theory. It was actually part of a larger theory I had theorizing about a mental break that pushed Luna to become Nightmare Moon. (the theory being the three elements Luna held all shattered due to her emotions at the time conflicting with the elements themselves, which turned her into a corrupted, opposite version of those very same elements)

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urzapw2000 In reply to firekirby135 [2015-08-17 05:17:57 +0000 UTC]

huh...neat...
I like your theory...
so Nightmare Moon was anti-Loyalty, Honesty, and Generosity
so greedy, lying, and backstabbing...
sounds about right

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marinus18 In reply to Lunalayla13 [2015-03-04 19:45:42 +0000 UTC]

she's not laughing because of that stunt.
Laughing is simply her way of dealing with stress, just like some people scream when they're frustrated. Celestia is exhausted already and the day has only just begun.

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