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bear48 [2018-07-01 01:04:10 +0000 UTC]
I love spaces like this
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ltiana355 In reply to bear48 [2018-07-11 15:20:12 +0000 UTC]
a very special/attractive door indeed. i’m not sure about what is on the inside
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ltiana355 In reply to bear48 [2018-07-11 17:51:41 +0000 UTC]
what? discovered prosaic stuff behind extremely attractive doors?
i googled that address and found out that the house contains mostly offices.
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undefinedreference [2018-06-19 07:37:32 +0000 UTC]
Did they hire an Italian architect for this one or is this just common Norwegian playfulness?
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ltiana355 In reply to undefinedreference [2018-06-19 15:19:22 +0000 UTC]
i doubt that any italian architects have set foot around here. so it must be common norwegian playfulness.
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undefinedreference In reply to ltiana355 [2018-06-19 15:44:54 +0000 UTC]
The Moscow Kremlin was built by Italians, did you know that?
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ltiana355 In reply to undefinedreference [2018-06-20 05:46:06 +0000 UTC]
and i’m not very well versed in the ‘arts’ , but maybe it is art deco-ish - especially the lattice in the top part). it could be a later addotion.
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undefinedreference In reply to ltiana355 [2018-06-20 12:08:13 +0000 UTC]
Ah, Louis XVI style. Such identifiers are the domain of antiques, which I know absolutely nothing about. I once got told off by a weed buddy's mother for plumping myself into a Louis XVI chair, she made a huge deal out of it. I still think the door looks more playful than most of the other neoclassicist stuff I've looked up.
Nobility is a very interesting subject. "Blue blood" was far less set in stone than modern people are led to believe. Powerful kings did make a habit of replacing an entire subversive nobility with a new, more loyal one. The case of Peter the Great who did away with the old boyars in favor of a whole new set of courtiers ("officials") is famous. I once read a book about British castles and a very compelling picture of what European nobility meant exactly emerged. Let's say a family started out as wealthy peasants who had lifted themselves out of poverty by some means or another. Then one of them went to fight for the King, showing exceptional bravery, and in return was made a baronet or something. One of his sons or grandsons in line of inheritance might repeat the feat or do the King some great favor and was made baron out of gratefulness. And this might continue through positions like viscount and count all the way up to that of duke, collecting all the decorum (coat of arms, seals etc.) in the process. So it was very much a career thing, except that it wasn't the individual who was making a career, but the family as a whole. That's why family honor was so important to these people, because every individual act of shame would put a stain on the entire family and hinder its prospects of social advancement. I have to say that Britain always had a high level of social mobility, the continental scheme would have been much more restrictive. The British nobility would also use the term "blue blood", but always jokingly. The continental nobility instead actually took it for something real, as if they were truly a different breed of humans, destined to rule. This relativism and accessibility is probably the reason why the British nobility is still very much alive today with their Bentleys and stuff, while the European nobility is dead as a dodo. I suspect that the Norwegian nobility much more closely followed the British model. Here in NL it was even more bizarre, both royalty and nobility existed but only for decoration. It always were the merchants who ruled this place and no one else. "He who pays decides", the Dutch saying goes
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ltiana355 In reply to undefinedreference [2018-06-22 23:19:11 +0000 UTC]
styles - it is rather funny to compare the tønsberg version of the style with the ‘european’ version.
norway was the deep province of denmark. i am very glad that almost no european grandness came to these parts. everything is much simpler and more practical.
as for nobility - ther abolished it with a law a couple of hundreds of years ago - i don’t know why, but it was a sensible thing to do.
so by now the whole idea of blue blood has been forgotten, it seems. as a topic, it is non-existant.
there is indeed a royal family, but they were planted a good time after the law in question was passed. and they have intermarried with common people for a couple of generations now.
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undefinedreference In reply to ltiana355 [2018-06-24 03:07:40 +0000 UTC]
I'm not a huge fan of European, or any, grandeur either, especially those neo (fake) classical monstrosities.
I read that the Norwegian nobility also died out because they couldn't find themselves spouses and had to marry commoners, which automatically stripped their children from any titles. Funny, that's the exact opposite of what happened in Britain, where they simply handed titles to commoners in order to keep the institution alive. One standard recipe was when someone stood up against the establishment and managed to rally the locals behind him, they would first fight him. If he backed off, that was proof that he wasn't the right stuff and he would spend the rest of his life anonymously in some penal colony. But if instead he proved to be a genuine fighter and leader they couldn't bring down, they would knight him and welcome him as one of theirs. That way they didn't only bring combat proven fresh blood into their own circles (one reason for the demise of the continental nobility was excessive inbreeding), but it also made him lose all credibility with his former followers, for after all he now was "one of them", killing any possible chance of having an actual revolution. That's how devious and cunning (and smart) the British aristocracy have always been!
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retransmission [2018-06-16 08:50:54 +0000 UTC]
Interesting design of the doors! What is this?
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ltiana355 In reply to retransmission [2018-06-16 22:44:02 +0000 UTC]
I googled the name that was written by the door (Kockegården) - it seeems to be a building from the 1790-s near the centre of Tønsberg. I suppose the door is a bit more modern. It certainly got my attention when I was passing by.
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Trippy4U [2018-06-05 17:44:19 +0000 UTC]
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