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AnnJoanne In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-21 15:18:27 +0000 UTC]
I'm throwing your request to join to the admins of DT, and we will discuss it.
Give it a bit and i'll be back to you soon
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AnnJoanne In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-21 18:47:53 +0000 UTC]
Okay so first- we gotta know if you're willing to change things now,
Cause last time i remember we gave a whole wall of feedback but you didn't seem interested in using any of the points we gave you
And if you're not, we're not really gonna waste more time for it, if you understand our reasons?
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LordVaderNihilus In reply to AnnJoanne [2018-06-21 18:50:05 +0000 UTC]
Who said i didnt took some points here? I took some points on Rachel and on Triksta, i asked her help on this because she let me know she was good on backgrounds on a status post
I do take them on mind
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AnnJoanne In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-21 18:53:30 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but last time, when you made the application for DT itself, you dismissed it all?
You might have made a new bio for her now, but what if the same thing happens?
I mean we're ready with the points and feedback, we just don't want it to go to waste again
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LordVaderNihilus In reply to AnnJoanne [2018-06-21 18:57:39 +0000 UTC]
It wont happend again, im open to points with one small change: I dont want questions on the points i want suggestions on how to change a background
I dont want to offend anyone but it bugs me that people make more questions than suggestions
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AnnJoanne In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-21 18:58:51 +0000 UTC]
Well that, we can do.
We'll work on the feedback now then- so give us a few minutes
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LordVaderNihilus In reply to AnnJoanne [2018-06-21 19:01:11 +0000 UTC]
ok but one thing more, mind if you guys send me the points trought notes?
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Rawwwrchel [2018-06-19 00:50:30 +0000 UTC]
Considering the fact no other Atlantean has ever had the ability to 'blood bend' how does Susan get this ability? As stated in s2 of YJ by Aqualad in regards to Lagoon Boy being taken to the Reach for experimentation, Atlantean's don't have meta genes, but were perhaps descended from those with meta genes. They're powers are sorcery based and though differ here and there from Atlantean to Atlantean, they all have the basic same gist to them. 'Blood bending' just doesn't fit with the Atlantean way.
Not to mention how improbable it is as a sub-power of hydrokinesis. The adult human body is about 55%-65% water and that decreases with age. A person's blood is only about 50%-55% water itself considering plasma is about 92% water and plasma makes up about 50% of your blood. It just doens't make much sense. And also with a person's muscles, the muscles contracting and expanding isn't really caused by your blood. Blood to the muscles is mainly fuel to provide the necessary nutrients to keep them healthy. Your nerves and neurons control your muscles contractions so technically, even with blood bending, Susan wouldn't be able to manipulate someone's muscles. Susan also wouldn't be able to restart someone's heart with 'blood bending' because it's not blood that causes your heart to beat, it's the pacemaker cells that cause your heart to beat.
And if Susan was controlling the blood with her hydrokinesis, how does that not kill someone? What gives her the control over someone if blood doesn't control the muscles? If she's controlling the water in someone's blood, isn't she technically stopping someone's blood flow and therefore would kill someone?
Sorry to get all science-y and stuff (I'm going to school for medical/science things right now) but blood bending as a subset of hydrokinesis just doesn't logically make sense when you think about how much water someone actually is and where that water goes. A person's blood does contain most of the water in someone's body, but a lot of your water is in other systems so how can Susan just pick and choose which systems she's controlling the blood from?
All that science aside on the chance you choose to ignore it (I understand this is all purely fictional) it still seems a bit overpowered for Susan to have that ability alongside her other water abilities (for reference, Nightfall does NOT have that power anymore). Plus, what's stopping her from basically ending all battles with her power if she can just use it all willy nilly? Whereas her other abilities seem better balanced, her 'blood bending' is very unbalanced and doesn't fit with her new Atlatnean heritage. And you can't exactly argue it's a meta gene seeing as she's part-Atlantean and it's been stated in the show they don't have meta genes?
My other nitpick is just... how does Susan so easily find Atlantis without dying on her journey? Only Atlantean's would know how to travel to Atlantis. Did her mom leave her a map to follow or how did she find her way? And how did she survive that long journey without using up all over her energy? Atlantis is deep in the ocean and I believe located in either the Atlantic or the Pacific, and would be a far journey from Alaska either way. I'm not saying she can't potentially make the trip, but seeing as she doesn't seem to plan it out, how does she survive? It's just more details you can add to her backstory that would help develop Susan a bit more.
Really though the basic gist here is that... 'blood bending' just really doesn't make sense as a subset of hydrokinesis. It sticks out oddly and you don't put any good checks and balances on it. She just... has this amazing ability that would basically be able to end all battles with relative ease.
Criticisms aside, I really like the new direction you're taking Susan and I hope to see you develop it more. I think it's a unique idea to make her half-Atlantean and it helps make her powers (minus 'blood bending') make more sense. It's an interesting new direction and I like it so far!
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LordVaderNihilus In reply to Rawwwrchel [2018-06-19 01:22:03 +0000 UTC]
About finding Atlantis, its not like Atlantis is hard to look considering that there are many books that tell the ubication of Atlantis and yes Tidal Wave also told her . Using water to speed up and taking advantage of the social and altruistic nature of cetaceans makes the trip less complicated, during the trip she had to hunt fishes that are good for human consumtion like tuna, salmon, trout and anchovies wich kept her going and sometimes making the trip in transatlantic hiding in the skiffs
Im seeing this on the scientifc side of evolution and some logic: I mean take a look at Jean Grey, she was first telepath and then her genes evolve a part of her telepathy to telekinesis wich makes sense. Hydrokinesis can evolve to that no to mention atlanteans have other kinds as human do, again lets look at the evolution: dolphins and orcas are of the same species only that orcas have evolve to be a 8 pack predator able to take down a shark so i guess in prehistory a group of atlanteas were able to control water in the forms of ice and blood as well but later on that gene is undevelope or "sleep" (for lack of better word) and some powers or subpowers as it seen insome superheroes are "awaken" naturaly or atificially as its the case of Deadpool, Magneto or Wolverine (among other heroes and villians) and there is a personal reason for what i kept that part of her story: My friend pedrofaria339 contributated and helped on her origin story and im not taking away that contribution
I do think Atlanteans are meta humans, its only depending on the source that says it (ts something that changes in comics or acording to mythology), its like with the gods of egypt: people say they are meta humans, aliens or beings from another dimension depending on the source
Bloodbending as we see in Korra tv series and the last airbender, can control muscles. in the anatomy some muscles have in their inside veins (i invite you to see photos of an autopsy of a shark othat would clear my point) wich would help Susan to press muscles making easier to extract a bullet or control the muscles.
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Rawwwrchel In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-19 02:27:18 +0000 UTC]
Atlantis is largely hidden is the point I was trying to make. Like I said, I wasn't saying that Susan couldn't make the trip there herself, but you brush over it and it left me with questions and I may not be the only one with questions. And it's kind of important. Yes there is lore on Atlantis and maps that potentially state where Atlantis is, but Atlantis (and it's surrounding colonies) are largely off-radar or else they risk potential threat from people from the surface world. It's a safety precaution that it's hidden. Stating that Susan's mom left her a map to follow and that she survived off hunting around her and whatnot. (not that eating all that raw fish would be good for Susan but I digress). I was just asking for clarification so Susan's backstory would flow better.
And I understand evolution and they role it can play in things such as powers and whatnot, but you're placing Susan into a species that exists and has been developed within the DC Universe. If you look up Atlantis and the history of the Atlanteans, they were apparently the original homo magi, which is not the same as meta genes. Things change and develop, I understand, but 'blood bending' does not logically fit in the context of the Atlanteans, regardless of how they evolved. It's not something Atlanteans can do, even with all of their sorcery.
Even still, the way you state it working doesn't actually work. All muscles have blood in them, yes, I know this for a fact. I was not stating otherwise. Every organ in your body has a series of arteries/capillaries/veins/etc that go to and from them to supply the nutrients that blood carries. However, that logic is not sound because it is not the BLOOD that controls your muscles. Muscles do not move and contract because of the movement of blood in and out of them, they move and contract because of MOTOR NEURONS and electro-chemical signals such as the inwards and outwards movements of calcium and potassium as well as other ions. Your nervous system controls the muscles and makes the sarcomere- the functional unit of a muscle- contract/expand. The only role the cardiovascular system plays in regards to muscle movements is the fact that it provides nutrients. Everything else is electro-chemical and involves synapses and myofibrils and other muscle-y things that aren't blood.
I've actually done three shark dissections (all were dogsharks) as well as numerous other dissections and necropsies with various species and have had plenty of classes that have covered muscles and how they function. Blood does not control them. The only logical way for Susan to be able to impact someone's muscles is if she reduces blood flow to someone's muscles and causes them to atrophy due to a lack of nutrients- but that doesn't mean she can move a person and make them due her will.
If you're really dead set on keeping it as a power, at least balance it out and have it make sense. It does make sense for Susan being able to clot blood when it comes to an injury, but there's no way for her to control muscles. It also doesn't make sense in ATLA/LOK either so those aren't good justifications for it. I could even see within reason Susan being able to cool someone off/heat someone up by manipulating the internal water within someone. To extract a bullet or something from within something, it'd make more sense and be easier on the person (because lets be real, Susan just 'pressing' on a muscle with her 'blood bending' would hurt A LOT) if Susan just manipulated a stream of water (or even blood if you really wanted) to grab hold of the bullet and gently pull it out. It'd still hurt of course cause bullet wound, but there's no way she'd be able to squeeze a bullet out of someone without ultimately killing them or sending them into shock due to the sheer amount of pain it'd cause plus the loss of blood.
There's a reason bullet extractions occur when someone is under anesthesia.
So ultimately, saving Batman by clotting the multiple ninja stab wounds could be a thing. If you want a more powerful 'blood bending' thing, it wouldn't be too far fetched for Susan to be able to stop someone's heart by clotting the blood (if she wanted to go that dark). She could also theoretically knock people out by reducing the blood flow to their brain and the only way she could potentially control someone's muscles is by reducing the blood flow to that area and rendering the limb or whatever body part useless, but that's not the same as controlling their muscles and puppet-ing them the same way we've seen done in ATLA/LOK.
In the case of Cheshire up there, Susan could've stopped the blood flow to Cheshire's arm, causing it to go limp or the limb to 'fall asleep' (much like when your leg or arm falls asleep and it's limp) and Cheshire drops her weapon. Susan could very well temporarily paralyze victims by decreasing blood flow to their limbs, but as I've stated, that is not controlling the muscles movements, it's just limiting their nutrients and energy. She wouldn't be able to push them/lift them/etc and move them around.
Seeing as it's just a subset of Susan's hydrokinesis, it needs more limitations applied to it and considering the lack of actual scientific logic behind 'blood bending' controlling someone's muscles (might be able to to some degree, but definitely not to the degree of ATLA/LOK) that's not something she'd be able to do- especially when you consider how people are, on average, only 55%-65% water with that value decreasing with age as I've said.
Just because a friend may have helped input that power isn't a sound reason to keep it. But as stated, if you do intend to keep it, at least make it more believable in the context of how Susan is now part-Atlantean.
Speaking of, for my own curiosity, is she half-Atlantean or like a fourth? Was her mother a full Atlantean?
You should also maybe go into more detail about how Susan perfect the 'blood bending'. Did she use human subjects? Did she test it out on herself? Did she use animals? Like Hama, Tarrlock and Yakone, they had to train that power for a long time, and they used animals to practice it. So how did Susan manage to do that?
Sorry for the long paragraph and stuff, it's just that... Susan actually controlling the muscles and turning people/animals into puppets like we saw in ATLA/LOK doesn't make sense. If you want to keep it, I've given more plausible examples of what Susan could do with it and remember that it should be limited because she has her other abilities as well. You don't want to make her too overpowered.
Have a good day/night! c:
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LordVaderNihilus In reply to Rawwwrchel [2018-06-19 02:48:10 +0000 UTC]
Well if you know something about blood bending that sounds more beliveable would help me a lot then, so what do you propuse?
I want to keep that part of experiments and bloodbend because my friend was my boyfriend, i have a lot of issues on eliminating something that someone did. It has been done in the past with many historical figures and i dont want to apply a dammatio memoriae on him
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Rawwwrchel In reply to LordVaderNihilus [2018-06-19 03:10:25 +0000 UTC]
Just re-copying and pasting some stuff from above. I can see how it's important to you and why you'd want to keep it, but you should develop it and balance it out more as well then!
"I could even see within reason Susan being able to cool someone off/heat someone up by manipulating the internal water within someone.
So ultimately, saving Batman by clotting the multiple ninja stab wounds could be a possibility. If you want a more powerful 'blood bending' thing, it wouldn't be too far fetched for Susan to be able to stop someone's heart by clotting the blood (if she wanted to go that dark). She could also theoretically knock people out by reducing the blood flow to their brain and the only way she could potentially control someone's muscles is by reducing the blood flow to that area and rendering the limb or whatever body part useless, but that's not the same as controlling their muscles and puppet-ing them the same way we've seen done in ATLA/LOK.
In the case of Cheshire up there, Susan could've stopped the blood flow to Cheshire's arm, causing it to go limp or the limb to 'fall asleep' (much like when your leg or arm fall asleep and it's limp until normal blood flow returns) and Cheshire drops her weapon. Susan could very well temporarily paralyze victims by decreasing blood flow to their limbs, but as I've stated, that is not controlling the muscles movements, it's just limiting their nutrients and energy. She wouldn't be able to push them/lift them/etc and move them around.
You should also maybe go into more detail about how Susan perfect the 'blood bending'. Did she use human subjects? Did she test it out on herself? Did she use animals? Like Hama, Tarrlock and Yakone, they had to train that power for a long time, and they used animals to practice it. So how did Susan manage to do that?
Susan actually controlling the muscles and turning people/animals into puppets like we saw in ATLA/LOK doesn't make sense. If you want to keep it, I've given more plausible examples of what Susan could do with it and remember that it should be limited because she has her other abilities as well. You don't want to make her too overpowered."
Stuff like this. A bit similar to controlling someone like a puppet, but not really cause that doesn't make sense since blood doesn't control the muscles.
Susan could very well use her 'blood bending' to stop someone from bleeding out, clot someone's blood for whatever reason, reduce blood flow to a person's limbs to either render them completely immobile or to temporarily paralyze a specific limb (so like a leg to prevent someone from following her or an arm to prevent them from injuring her with a weapon) or even reduce blood flow to someone's brain to knock them unconscious. But with those abilities, remember to focus on the limitations. Such as Susan having to use a lot of concentration to properly perform these techniques so she doesn't accidentally kill someone or cause permanent damage to a person's cardiovascular system.
If you move past the controlling someone's muscles and manipulating them like a marionette, 'blood bending' as a subset of hydrokinesis does have potential and you can very well make it work.
Susan could also use 'blood bending' on herself to increase her speed/strength by increasing the flow of blood to certain muscles because yes, blood is still important to muscles, but it does not control them and activate them- it just feeds them per say (that's why when you work out or use your muscles a lot your heart beats faster because it's pumping blood faster so your muscles can have more energy and stuff).
I hope that helps?
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