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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to pawned777 [2011-12-01 16:22:27 +0000 UTC]

Jaina cries over things all the time, even in public. She cried when Varian allowed Varok to take his son's body, and she cried when the player gave her back her locket, and those are only two of the more famous examples.

x3 She IS tough. She's one of the strongest characters in the game and about to become SUCH a badass in the next expansion. But that doesn't mean she doesn't cry.

:3 Personally, I love that Jaina is both so strong and so weak. She's both powefully emotional and logical, and it makes her somewhat unique compared to most major lore chars. She is compassionate and human and easy to sympathize with, yet so strong and sturdy she's been known to battle unstoppable forces for literally days on end with no breaks mentioned. I'm almost afraid to see what her upcoming novel will make of her, because she's really so amazing already, but given the author on the case, I'm sure it will be breathtaking.

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SUNgoddessOKAMI In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-12-17 06:14:58 +0000 UTC]

That is exactly why she's one of my favorite characters.

Do you have links for the info on the novel? I haven't heard about it and I'd like to look into it.

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to SUNgoddessOKAMI [2011-12-17 13:12:59 +0000 UTC]

Indeeeeed<3

[link] and [link]

:'3 I am very much considering preordering it because oh my God I want this so badly, I'm seriously ready to explode, I don't know if I can wait over six months. We don't even know MUCH about it yet but JAAAIIINAAAA.

And seriously. Ever since they announced Theramore's impending destruction?

YES.

So many Allies bitching and moaning, but that is seriously THE best thing that could EVER happen for us. Jaina is going to... Just, JAINA. Blues on the forum were even practically SCREAMING it. GUYS, THINK ABOUT JAAIINNAAAAA. But I guess no one goes to the Blizz forums to be logical, heh.. :'3 I feel so sorry for the Horde<3

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kunibob In reply to Maryx3 [2010-09-18 19:16:40 +0000 UTC]

Wow, that's a big compliment...thank you!

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Maryx3 In reply to kunibob [2010-10-29 01:36:23 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome! (:

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to Reg-D-Fanfiction [2010-07-16 01:40:43 +0000 UTC]

Read the lore: Arthas IS the Lich King, and Ner'zhul nothing more than the faintest glimpse of a memory within HIM. :3

----RotLK SPOILER, kind of:

Quote, after Ner'zhul has been talking of what 'they' could now accomplish together, when Arthas kills Ner'zhul in their dreamworld: "No. No we. Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready." ;3 Closing words of the book at that.

----END SPOILER; SPOILER FOR END-GAME WOW CONTENT:

;3 Besides, if Arthas wasn't clearly the main entity there, it would certainly be odd indeed to find him STILL WEARING HER LOCKET, hm? ^^ And I love it. You want some proof he still loved her? x3 The item desc states "He always wore it close to his heart."

Now think about this a moment.. (1) Arthas TORE OUT his heart, meaning that her memory was the ONLY thing there. x3 (2) This means even after tearing out said heart, after eight years since he'd seen her (their only encounter being Halls of Reflection at the end, which I can justify his actions in if you're interested), after seven years of telling himself he "had loveD Jaina Proudmoore", after doing every single thing in his near-god-level power to stop himself from feeling ANYTHING, he STILL could not bring himself to honestly say he didn't still love her. xD Yeah. How's THAT for epic?

----END SPOILER


x3 So yeah. Arthas WAS the Lich King and WASN'T evil. He just... had a REALLY bad fear of failure, to a point he couldn't change his mind about ANYTHING. 'xP So every single mistake snowballed out of control since he could never stop it.

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g0rDoN In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-11-28 00:06:06 +0000 UTC]

Funnily enough, Blizz somehow contradicted themselves and... managed to fuck this up. Lore-wise, Arthas wasn't the Lich King. Not fully at least. The REAL Arthas, the good-hearted lad who was ready to do anything for those he loved, remained within the Lich King somehow, and by Uther's words is the only thing that stopped the Lich King from destroying Azeroth. Because he -did- have the power to do it, he just... didn't. :3

I sort of have my own theory about this: The guy who stabbed Ner'Zhul and killed the kid wasn't exactly Arthas. Or if it was, it was all his evil, disdain, darkness. It was quite literally the Death Knight. Maybe I'm not right, but it somehow explains the fact that he kept himself from destroying Azeroth AND his ending words "Father... is it over?"

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to g0rDoN [2011-11-28 08:19:08 +0000 UTC]

Show me where, because Arthas is by and far my favorite character and I'm a little bit Lorecraft-obsessive, and while I haven't actually been able to play WC3 and as such may have missed some small text somewhere there I DID watch the entirety of Arthas's campaigns from it. What justifies your claim that the only "real" Arthas was the good-hearted lad? Because according to Blizzard, that part of Arthas did remain very much within him; it was the sickly little boy who he also stabbed, and who became known under the alias Matthias Lenher.

Arthas never actually changed all that much when he "turned". There was the brief period right after he got Frostmourne that has never really been explored in detail, between defeating Mal'Ganis and returning home, where he seemed to be kind of extra-crazy, but even that could look worse than it is due to human nature to assume the worst. But really.

At age 9, Arthas was bright and idealistic and chivalrous, but even then he had some slight attitude, both in the sense of tantrums and sarcasm. As he got older, that naturally progressed. Was the 19-year-old who hauled snow down from mountains just to test an eight year theory that Jaina would be the kind of girl who wouldn't mind taking a snowball to the face really so different from the 31-year-old who refused to unleash his actual power until he was near death just to see how well he could manipulate the heroes who opposed him? In both cases he was kind of a smug jerkass and borderline troll.

Just because his thought process eventually grew more twisted and cynical (starting long before Frostmourne, which really only seemed to give it a one-time jump before it kept on a similar pace) doesn't mean he wasn't the same person. Being "soulless" certainly didn't make him heartless (nor did, ironically, being literally-heartless). Consider Sylvanas, who as a banshee killed by Frostmourne had no soul and no body/organs of any kind and could still very much feel a wide variety of emotions. People just change over time.

Arthas is no more a different person for having become jaded than Jaina is a different person because she's grown more of a backbone than the girl who couldn't follow through on what she knew was the only viable course of action just because it was too sad.

(:'3 Though speaking of Jaina changing amfg I am so excited for Tides of War and Theramore's destruction, I am going to die of waiting. She is going to be SUCH a badass I can't understand why any Alliance players aren't ENTHRALLED about us losing her little city.)

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g0rDoN In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-11-28 09:34:43 +0000 UTC]

Uther the Lightbringer says: No, girl. Arthas is not here. Arthas is merely a presence within the Lich King's mind. A dwindling presence...
Uther the Lightbringer says: I do not know, Jaina. I suspect that the piece of Arthas that might be left inside the Lich King is all that holds the Scourge from annihilating Azeroth.

There are the exact quotes, amigo. And Arthas grew more cynical and dark, because Frostmourne took his soul, basically rendering him emotionless, save for feelings of hatred and such. Pitty, remorse, that was all gone.

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to g0rDoN [2011-12-01 16:07:55 +0000 UTC]

Exact quotes from Uther the Lightbringer. Naturally, Uther must have known the Lich King much better than the Lich King himself did. The words "I suspect"- indicating that his words are only his personal theory based on what he has been allowed to see- certainly give credit to the validity of your evidence.

Sylvanas Windrunner was killed by Frostmourne. Frostmourne is explicitly stated to have taken her soul. She is explicitly shown to feel fear and sadness. This is with no soul and none of her body at all, which also means no heart.

When Arthas told the dreadlord "Yes, I've killed everyone and everything in his name, and I still feel no remore. No shame. No pity," the immediately following line was a small whisper in his mind, not from Frostmourne, but, and I quote, his own heart of hearts: "Liar." This very blantantly states that Arthas in fact felt all three of those things.

When Arthas at last confronted his childhood innocence, he told the boy, "You are my love for Jaina. My love for my father." Are. Present tense. Please also recall again that he still to his death "always wore [her locket] close to his heart". Even after banishing his humanity, he never took it off. And Arthas was huge on symbological shit, like the horse skulls EVERYWHERE in his decor as tribute to Invincible and tearing out his physical heart to try to be more mental-emotionally heartless. Why did he always wear it if he did not love her until the day he died? Why not banish it from his presence like every other thing that he viewed as showing him to be even an ounce more 'human'? Why did he have keepsakes from so many figures from his past?

'x3; Hell, there are even completely random and insignificant things that go toward hinting that he is not an emotionless being. If you watch him idle in the DK starting area, occasionally he will stab Frostmourne in the ground and take a few moments to readjust his gauntlets before reclaiming it. ... That.. seems really stupid, but when you think about it, that is a very oddly specific thing for him to be doing that no other character really does to my knowledge, so it isn't like a standard Blizzard thing. Given he's not really doing anything and there's no practical purpose for it, the only reason anyway would do something like that is comfort (or perhaps impulse, but really, fidgety Arthas seems even LESS plausible; I'm sure we can agree on that). More specifcally, it implies he CARES about his physical comfort. Just food for thought.

And, of course, there is the end line from RotLK, where Arthas- who is explicitly called Arthas, and who explicitly recalls his whole life as Arthas and slowly morphing into the current Arthas and decides he wouldn't change anything- states, "No. No we. Now there is only I. I am the Lich King. And I am ready." Arthas, who is explicitly canonically called Arthas, from his own point of view, not from the view of an outsider who can only guess and assume what is going on in his mind, but from his mind itself, says "I am the Lich King." Arthas does.

Everything I've put in quotations are also direct exact canonic quotes. Where the one says [her locket] the actual item text just says "it", with the brackets denoting my specification edit as is standard practice; and in the end-book line there is some narration breaking up that quote, but those are the spoken words all together. Other than that everything should be exact.

Now please, dig an ounce deeper into lore before throwing around wild assumptions based on incomplete snippets thrown around by outside parties. It was different in the days of WC3 when we didn't really have much to go on but observation and character commentary. But now there is an entire novel that intimately details the transformation and makes it very extremely clear that MOST of the characters who take a guess about Arthas's true nature are wrong; only Jaina was close, and she let them convince her at the last minute she was wrong.

Also, if you dare try to pull the shit half the fans out there do about "retcons don't count! baww baww bitch bitch", I have two things to say. (1) Not everything that conflicts the impression you got is retcon; often enough it's just filling in details in unexpected ways, and even when it does conflict, Blizzard reserves the right to do that, because, like it or not, it's theirs. (2) INFINITE DRAGONFLIGHT! x3

That said, go read the novel if you haven't, and reread it if you have, both because you obviously missed a lot and because it's great.

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g0rDoN In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-12-01 23:50:06 +0000 UTC]

I've read it a few times, actually. I finished it again a few days ago. That's why I was skimming for Arthas pictures. But here's the thing: He -is- himself in the novel, but there's one thing about Runeblades - when one becomes soulless, his softer feelings are pushed deeper within (hence Arthas's frequent moments of hesitation) and puts the darker feelings to front. Also the fact that all Death Knights are addicted to inflicting pain (lore-fact) and must frequently inflict pain on other beings, otherwise they get physical and psychological pain themselves.

But Arthas's behavior didn't change much after acquiring Frostmourne, partly because something in him snapped after Jaina and Uther betrayed him, after what he had to do in Stratholme (when you think about it, it's normal to go bloody bonkers after slaughtering an entire town, be they infected or not).

As for lore, I've read most of the Warcraft books, played most of the games, dug through tons of additional info. Digging an ounce deeper is rather impossible for me, until new books and stuff come out. ^^

And also, heard of Matthias Lehner? It's that same kid Arthas banished from his mind. It shows the players visions of his past, his own "Road to Damnation", so to speak. It might be that Arthas didn't kill the guy as it was shown in the dream in the book (Yet another retcon?).

Anyways, Uther being one of the souls taken by Frostmourne would much likely KNOW what's going inside that head of his, seeing as how Terenas knew it all as well. This leads me to believe that his quotes are correct and that Blizzard have made a few changes. As Chris Metzen himself said, the Novels are not purely canon! They do TRY to be mostly canon, but they're not fully-canon.

I also can never overlook the fact of his behaviour - he was always described as determined to the point of being stubborn, if he set himself on something, he would do it. Then, in undeath, his battlestrategy was sending his hordes of undead to wipe out everything. These two facts could say two things: 1, Arthas as the Lich King set himself on turning Azeroth's greatest heroes before conquering it. 2, we have the next option - there was SOME good left within him, something that prevented him from doing what he did usually - sending forth his Scourge to wipe everything out. That seems also loke a logical solution. These are assumptions, of course, but the 2nd option seems more logical, based on the words of Uther.

About the locket - nowhere else is it ever mentioned aside from that quest. I am largely unconvinced the quest is canon, seeing as how a spirit (Uther) gave the player a material tabard, how Arthas had his training sword there (when in fact he'd probably used a dozen in training), he had a vial of Sylvanas's blood (again never mentioned to be taken). I think these are all vanity items made for players to have fun with and interact with some major characters. Of course, this could also be the opposite (which I hope it is, seeing as the necklace with Jaina's image was so adorable <3)

Arthas will probably always remain a mystery, which is one of the facts I adore him as a character. There is this one thing I love about him - he is flawed. He's a human who made a few mistakes which drove him on a dark path. I like flawed characters, they feel... REAL. And Arthas has always been one of them, I'll miss ol' whitey. <3

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to g0rDoN [2011-12-03 09:26:44 +0000 UTC]

I got as far as "Heard of Matthias Lenher?" and.. You do realize I very clearly mentioned him earlier? I really don't like arguing with someone who blatantly proves they aren't even reading my posts before replying themselves.

You're making assumptions; I'm telling you what's been directly stated. You're only acknowledging which parts you believe support you. I know Arthas went crazy; that doesn't make him a different person any more than Tirion became a different person when he grew a spine and stopped moping in his cave or Darion became a different person when he became a Death Knight. Altered behavior and circumstances are called character development, not replacement.

... Except I'm incapable of quitting a convo without feeling terrible about myself so then I read the rest anyway dammit, fml.

I'm really not understanding your logic in the slightest, and I apologize that I do tend to have problems with communication at times, but... We're kind of saying EXACTLY THE SAME THING in a lot of places except you interpret its meaning essentially exactly the opposite that I do..? Yeah uh.. there's such thing as alternate character interpretation but that.. Does that not seem extreme to you?

I am quite aware that Metzen has admitted not every single event in every novel is perfect, because occasionally oversights occur. But he has also stated that ideally canon is whatever incorporates the most info from the most sources without contradiction, excluding much of the old tabletop RPG. This means that if there isn't a direct reason not to count it as canon (e.g.- the Onyxia quests, because the lore on that became that Varian killed her), it should be counted. This should definitely include something as imho MASSIVE as the end-game quests. Ghosts have affected the physical plane more than once in WoW, and you have nothing but your own personal assumption that he "probably" had more than one sword which he would have counted as sentimental. Furthermore, if they WEREN'T trying to show Arthas to have a sense of nostalgia, why not give him less sentimental 'vanity' items? Blizz could have come up with literally anything to give him, but that was what they chose.

I don't see why your options have to conflict, or why they are the only two. =/ If you notice, Arthas was really extremely passive-aggressive in most cases even where the heroes weren't involved once he took over. When working for Ner'zhul, who was the original Lich King and who he "killed"/banished, he was more or less Lawful Evil. After he stopped taking orders, though? I'd go so far as to call it Chaotic Neutral. He didn't give a damn about death or destruction, really. Undead just happened to be easier to control, but if people served him while living that was just less work. (See: Cult of the Damned.)

His goal appears to have been nothing more than his very birthright: to rule. This is reinforced by the line "This kingdom shall fall, and from the ashes shall arise a new order that will shake the very foundations of the world." Nothing in that necessarily says his desire is a bad thing or for bad reasons. It's certainly not bright and happy and striving for a utopia, but that doesn't make it bad. Being willing to make sacrifices to get closer to a goal- which is where MOST of his controversy comes from- is called being PRAGMATIC, not "evil".

There WAS "some good" left in Arthas, but not because there was "some part of Arthas" left "in the Lich King". It's plausible enough that Uther could have even been using that as a metaphor for "some resemblance to the way we remember him", which would make sense and tie everything together and be accurate with all the other lore. (x3 We all know how old guys's ghosts universally love easily misconstrued metaphors! *shot*)

As to Matthias, I've used to word a few times; I always felt that the implication there was that he was "banished" when he was "killed". I'm fairly certain I've read the words "banished his humanity" somewhere or other, though I can't recall where so don't quote me on that. But yes. Unless Arthas developed this other persona when he was a small child (in which case he'd STILL be the same person between when Jaina knew him and when he reigned as Lich King), it's rather more likely that Matthias was a certain sort of alter-ego developed to incarnate all his doubts and regrets, with his sickliness denoting how Arthas was continuously attempting to deny that those things existed. Banishing that incarnation did not rid him of what made it, though.

If nothing else proves that the Lich King was more than rage and hatred and other negative things, shouldn't his snarking and his desire to command the heroes? The prior shows him to have a sense of humor, and the latter.. You can try to write it off as a strategical maneuver all you like. He proved he could kill them all in the blink of an eye if he wanted, and that was all together. He could have easily defeated them one or a few at a time. They were no threat to him. He could have killed Tirion if he hadn't been being immature about it and having him watch, even. So what other reason could he have had, other than the same trait he'd always had all his life from 9 to 17 to 23 to 31 to always strive to be and have the best?

I like flawed characters too, in case you didn't read before that Arthas is my favorite from Warcraft and may well be my favorite from anything ever. He's in my top five at minimum. ...Actually top four, because I just remembered Varian is also in my top five, and while I was debating for a while if I might be starting to like him more, I reread RotLK not long ago and within a few pages was spending the rest of the night endlessly apologizing to Arthas for ever doubting my love for him. x'3;; But yes, back on flaws.. When I write my own characters, I have difficulty listing their good traits; most that qualify can be listed as both good and bad. Flaws are great.

And yes, as I'm pretty certain I have already said myself in this convo, I agree completely that he just made little mistake after little mistake that snowballed down a horrible path. And, of course, Arthas was always so terrified of failure. He could never stop anything because giving up was failure. He couldn't stop his dark path for the same reason. To change his mind about any decision was to admit the first was wrong. To have been wrong meant he failed. And to fail meant he wasn't good enough. \o/ He was great and dead or not he'll always be in my top favorite characters of all time.

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In other, somewhat related news, if you wouldn't mind multi-tasking a convo here.. x3; Because really I know this qualifies as "arguing" but I'm probably the least conflict-avoidant person ever and annoyed as I get it is so hard for me to even try to be grudging about anything so yeah I'm kind of just having fun discussing..

But yeah.. x3 Just as a fun little side-thought.. Can you imagine what Arthas would have been like if he hadn't grown up with Varian- or more specifically, in Varian's shadow?

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g0rDoN In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-12-03 15:25:42 +0000 UTC]

I don't count it as arguing, actually, I'm just happy I can discuss with another SENTIENT being. (everybody tends to go into a rage when someone doesn't share their opinion)

When re-reading the posts... I kind of start thinking we think 80% in the same direction. And... as for Varian, as a character in the Comic I loved him up until the 7th part. Then he became a retard imo. My original assumption, that Arthas wasn't really himself came from everything in-game. From Uther's quotes, up to the LK's words in a certain quest "I was a shaman once, blablabla" It all just confused me, really. I think that could be given to the fact that he probably now shares Ner'Zhul's memories.

And um, about the sickly kid, I think after Arthas stabbed him it said somewhere that that was Frostmourne finally claming the rest of Arthas's soul. I'm not sure on this one, though. As for having "banished his humanity" I read that too. Wowpedia, I think. I'm... not sure. And sorry, I just forgot you mentioned Lehner. XD I'm a goldfish. >:

Anyways, my assumptions really ARE just that - assumptions. I know it, I accept the true facts, I'm just saying it all in an... "what if?" fashion.

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Well, seeing Varian uber-sad and such is one of the things that drove him to becoming who he was. It made him determined to never have to see anyone this sad again (that, and Invincible's death), so I guess he might've grown up to be different, not as determined. That and he wouldn't strive so much to be better, to... compete with Varian. He would've probably grown up to be a nice young lad. His own determination is what caused him to turn down Medivh's words of wisdom, maybe he wouldn't have then?

(on a side note: Grommash Hellsream. Thoughts on him? )

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to g0rDoN [2011-12-06 15:58:53 +0000 UTC]

\o/ Hooray for sentience.

Yeah, I can definitely see where Arthas probably has Ner'zhul's memories and now counts that as a sort of part of himself, but like.. something he's earned by consuming what was left of Ner'zhul's influence.

I don't remember reading anything on the lines of 'rest' of his soul. As far as I know Frostmourne is an all or nothing sort of sword. (*shot for bad analogy*) Anyway, I point yet AGAIN to Sylvanas. In Lorecraft, the soul appears to have next to NOTHING to do with emotions, save maybe joy. I can't recall anywhere I've seen a giddy DK/banshee/ghoul/etc. (X"D;; Though this reminds me of that random book in the DK starting zone with the passage about the chick who was obliterated because her name was too frilly to be a Death Knight. Poor, poor Harmony. XDD) Anyway, if you can find any actual word to the contrary, I'd be interested to see it.

x3 And I say "what if" Jaina had been lying when she assured Arthas she wasn't pregnant, in a frightened reaction to his sudden fear, or "what if" Broll's feelings for Valeera weren't actually so paternal. XP Doesn't make it any more likely to happen.

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More than that, though. Without Varian, Arthas wouldn't have cared so much about training, since losing so very miserably in his spars with the older prince is what drove him to want that so badly. Without the extra discipline in trying to 'keep up', he probably wouldn't have outgrown his childish/mischievous tendencies half as much as he did (and he didn't really that much to start). He might not have broken up with Jaina, because he wouldn't have developed as severe a perfection complex and as such wouldn't have been so concerned with his potential shortcomings. And whether he did or not, he may not have been sent out to investigate the plague rumors in the first place, as he probably would have been much more charismatic but rather immature and frivolous and carefree.

x3 It's hard to say how much different Varian might be, though I suspect he might have ended up a bit less childish without Arthas's presence encouraging that part of him when it was dying after SW fell.

.. X'3 Really, I wish I could just snag a Bronze Dragon or few to have do me a little favor, and put present-day Varian in the same room with Death-Knight-JUST-before-LK-fusion Arthas, with some barrier in place to keep them from killing each other. X'3 The snark war would be LEGENDARY<3 I mean it. My heart explodes at the mere THOUGHT of it<333

XP On the note of Varian as a person and his 'becoming a retard', I'll bite. You tell me what you hate and I'll tell you why it's at worst justified and at best great. X3 I LOVE Varian Wrynn<3

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D; Never learned much about Grom, though. He sounds like he was pretty great overall from what I've seen/heard, even though I'd probably still end up mad at him for various things. But yeah, he's one I really need to look up more on.

GARROSH Hellscream, on the other hand... x''3 Oh my God, I loathed him so much, and I still do for the most part, but I simply cannot fully hate someone who makes me laugh SOOOOO much. XDD SUCH a love-hate view I have there.

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g0rDoN In reply to Heart-of-Thorns [2011-12-06 19:44:30 +0000 UTC]

Yup, exactly! And I think with that we're pretty much done with this one ^^

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That would be a REALLY interesting thing to see, *giggle*. And I'm not sure he'd be that childish and mischievous as you say. Maybe to a higher extent, sure, but I think he'd've retained his charisma at least. He loved his people so much, he spent SO much time with them, he'd still be able to make them do what he wanted to. If you think in that direction, if he'd listened to Medivh, the sad part is he probably could've saved most of the Lordaeronians...

And Varian for me is like Garrosh for you, kind of a love-hate thing. He's too hasty, too aggressive, I really want the Horde and Alliance to focus on their true enemies, not themselves. But he's also charismatic, brave, STRONG. And his love for his people is also a lot akin to Arthas's.

I really need to get my hands on "Wolfheart" so I see how he develops there...
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Read about Grom, he's... maybe my favourite character of all time. He's flawed, yes, but he manages to overcome his own flaws and triumph in the end, redeeming himself. Let me copy-paste something for you:

"In many ways, the curse of our people began and ended with Grom. His name meant "Giant's Heart" in our ancient tongue. He earned that name a hundred fold as he stood alone before the demon Mannoroth — and won our freedom with his blood.
Lok'Tar Ogar, Big Brother. May the Warsong never fade.
— Thrall, Warchief of the Horde"

He's one of the best characters in WarCraft lore, you're missing out.

Afterthought: maybe we should exchange skype or msn info or something, make this easier... xD

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Heart-of-Thorns In reply to g0rDoN [2011-12-07 05:10:07 +0000 UTC]

..... X"DDDDDDDD OH MY GOOOOOOOOD, PLEASE tell me you are a Homestuck, I AM DYING over here. I don't even know which is better between the possibilities that that "STRONG" was intentional or coincidental but either way OH GOD WHAT IS AIR.

:"D ANNNNNNYWAY.

Yes you definitely need Wolfheart<3 Jaina and Varian are my favorite characters after Arthas (though Baine and Anduin have risen through the ranks a lot too); it's hard to say which of them I love most because they're so different, but fortunately I'm a shipper so it's easy enough for me to count them together and avoid choosing. X3 Also make ABSOLUTELY sure to read Shattering if you haven't (and before Wolfheart to get it in order)! It's my favorite novel I've read after Arthas<3 (... I was about to specify Warcraft novel, but.. xD; Actually that statement is probably fine as-is.)

X3 Wolfheart explains and resolves some of the aggression thing, though that ferocity really is a double-edged sword. So many think he's "too" aggressive as-is, but if he calmed down, where would the Alliance be- especially with Garrosh in charge? And Garrosh was kind of provoking it long before he was actually acting-Warchief. (\o/ Sounds like Thrall will be back in MoP but yar~)

And I have to ask... IS he THAT hasty? If you HAVE read Shattering, you should remember; if not, I'll try not to spoil too much. But when he finds out something that would prompt ANYONE to outrage, his initial reaction is more or less KILL THEM ALL. But after a little outburst and then his attention being brought to just what an ass he's being, he is very calm and patient and rational about it. x3 In fact, he's like that A LOT more than people give credit. How many attempts at diplomacy has he actually made that have been eventually declined or thwarted by outside forces? He's definitely stubborn and DEFINITELY a huge (hilarious) jackass, but with little exception his intentions are always in the right place, and he OFTEN compromises his own desires to suit the needs and/or desires of the Alliance/his kingdom/his friends and family, even if it might take him a bit to come around to it sometimes.

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x3 Yes I know how Thrall sees him and I know the basics of what all he did, I just need details. xP I'll look into that eventually.

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XP POSSIBLY~ I'm very rarely on MSN, anymore, and... ._.; I'm almost certain I MADE a Skype a few months ago but I saw that the voice chat on it was open mic and ditched it and now I don't even know for certain what my account was. 'x3; Also my client likes to be a bitch about letting people add me on MSN, but you can try: it's InariSuicune@aol.com. On the other hand, if you happen to have Chatango, I'm on there most of the time as SGcanhazRP, and if you have a Facebook and don't mind sharing.. I give mine out way too much, hurr. [link] You can add me; just note who you are.

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fanfics4ever In reply to SilverDragon234 [2010-01-31 18:58:46 +0000 UTC]

I feel yer pain dude, this kinda reminds me of my mother...

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SilverDragon234 In reply to fanfics4ever [2010-01-31 23:50:15 +0000 UTC]

Agreed

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kunibob In reply to zafara1222 [2009-09-02 05:58:41 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much for this comment. It really means a lot to me... <3

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zafara1222 In reply to kunibob [2009-09-04 20:42:26 +0000 UTC]

No problem

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kunibob In reply to awshroom [2009-05-09 18:11:32 +0000 UTC]

Awww, yay! Thank you so much.

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awshroom In reply to kunibob [2009-05-09 18:17:29 +0000 UTC]

My pleasure

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kunibob In reply to AegisKHAOS [2009-04-21 16:07:57 +0000 UTC]

Awww, thank you so much!!! I'm glad I could overcome your dislike of Arthas with this pic.

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kunibob In reply to lemrac [2009-04-20 07:09:29 +0000 UTC]

Thank you so much!!

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kunibob In reply to godofwar [2009-04-19 23:52:06 +0000 UTC]

Thanks so much!

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kunibob In reply to ZylAeryel [2009-04-19 23:52:21 +0000 UTC]

Aww, thanks so much! I'm glad it transcended your hatred of Arthas!

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