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kiz-chan In reply to salamanderFLAME [2011-07-12 23:07:36 +0000 UTC]

It's understandable. ;D

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-16 22:37:11 +0000 UTC]

Well, I've never seem anyone ship the pairing but in hetalia everything is possible. They're both young so they are somewhat cute together.
Thanks!

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-17 01:19:15 +0000 UTC]

Really. I have been wondering about that a bit just now. Usually in other series their are pairings I absolutely don't agree on, but in the case of Hetalia I haven't been getting this feeling to reject them as much as the others even though I don;t agree with some of the pairings in this fandom. Maybe it's because the fact they are countries their is a possibility they could get force into a marriage by their own government their nations can join together (it seems that marriage for them is joining their two nations together). But then that's not out of love. I don't really know why I feel so laid back on this fandom not on the others. I even thought of doing a paring rant on Hetalia but now I'm not that motivated on it. This was another idea that was inspire from Youtube by the way. I've seen people make rants on pairings so I thought about doing that to.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't agree on Latvia and Seychelles being together. I'm sure it's possible. The fact that they seem to be around the same age helps a bit, even though for me age doesn't matter (it's whether they do things the proper way that counts). I was thinking mainly about the gay parings, though pairings of sibling would also be included, since it seems that most of the characters are not gay or would want to marry their siblings.

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-17 02:02:13 +0000 UTC]

Well, I feel the same about it I guess. I'm generally pretty laid back with pairings, but I'm even more when it's hetalia. Also if you think about the life span of the countries and everything they went through, it seems pretty possible for them to have had multiple partners in life. I also think that not all relationships are out of love, but also circumstance, lust, loneliness etc.

I don't really care about age either. Actually I don't care about a lot of things. I do prefer that the pairing is historically accurate, but I can like other pairings that are not. ;D

Well, my opinion about gay pairings and sibling pairings in aph is that (and I'm probably biased but whatever) it's very possible. Let me explain my thoughts.
The way I see, sexuality doesn't seem to be very important for nations. Or at least for a lot of them. It's not like they have a lot of choice anyway (there are not that many nations, even less that "live" close, or with which they have affinity or any historical connection). I think that they may have a preference but that is not very relevant. I think that maybe the nations have a little different mentality than their people about those matters. In the comic there are a few characters that prove not to be heterosexual: Sweden, France, Spain, Prussia, Germany, Greece, Japan, Italy Veneziano. Others that also seem not to be (these are more debatable) would be Romano, Austria, Korea, UK etc. Even though most of these characters seem to like girls as well (France, Germany, Greece, Veneziano, Romano, Austria...) It's also hard to reach any conclusion about the other characters, so for me it's just better to assume they like both genders.
About sibling/incest pairings... I actually don't like most of them because I really like their relationship as "family". But it's hard to define what would be family in aph. Most Europe would be related somehow. : p So I guess it depends on the feeling the characters give to me.
Anyway, this are just some of my personal thoughts. I've read some other valid opinions on these matters which I think are pretty debatable. I'd like to hear your opinions on these.

And I actually don't ship Latvia/Seychelles. I was just playing with a random crack pairing generator and I got this pairing and decided to draw it. : p

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-18 00:13:41 +0000 UTC]

I see. That would make sense with all that has happen with them throughout the centuries. I'm also aware that some relationships happen out of certain circumstances, like the time France try to get England to merry him so he can survive for instance. I'm also ware that their are not as many of them in the world. I read in my text book for Sociology that their are 194 nations (I don't know if the arthur included the micronations), meaning their are 194 nations in the world of Hetalia (at least concerning the 21 century in that world).

So in your opinion a lot of the character don't care about having sex or engaging in it for that matter. As for the mindset it's possibly they could have a bit of a different mindset about those matters as well as some other matters not dealing with sex. Their personified nations after all so while they look, think, and act human, as well as have emotions and feelings their lives are different form are so they experience things we don't which affect them in ways that most people would not understand unless they use what is known as the sociological perspective (or imagination). It's basically putting yourself in their boots. I learn about this during reading my Sociology textbook as well as the second day of class.

Also, I know that France and Spain are gay as well as I'm starting to suspect a bit that Italy and Germany are also gay but I didn't know the others were, perhaps except South Italy who had one time thought about being in a relationship with Spain I think. There is a word that describes someone who is both heteo and homsexual but I forgot what is is. As for sibling I know what you mean. I had a hard time figuring out who was related to who, especially with the European nations. I'm also wondering who are a lot of these nations parents but it's not like that would be reveal (so far only characters like Italy, Germany and Greece had their parents reveal or at least one of them).

Now as for my opinions on this matter. Well, I still think their are some nations who are not homosexual while it's not the case with the others but then it's like you said it might be possible they like both genders. I don't really know at the moment because I haven't known these characters, as well as been part of this fandom, for a long time. I just got into the series late last around September so I can't say much yet. Sorry if this comment sounded like me rambling.

Also, I understand about you drawing Latvia and Seychelles like that. I heard about those crack pairing generators and have seen someone use it before.

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-18 02:10:05 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry about rambling. Your comment was interesting to read. (: I like discussing this kind of stuff.

First, you said that "So in your opinion a lot of the character don't care about having sex or engaging in it for that matter." I don't know if I understand it correctly, but it's not like they simply "don't care". I just think that sexuality preference is not that important as it is for most of non-nation people. I think that some nations would be more romantic or repressed than others. It all depends. I do think that there other matters that the nations think differently from other people. For example, I wonder how is the relation of the nation to the normal people? Would they think of their people as "their children"? (Yes, in my opinion) How close can/do they get to normal people? Can they fall in love with them? (like France is usually portrayed to have been in love with Jeanne D'Arc) These are just some question that popped up in my head now, but I'm certain that I could go on and on. xD

About the gay characters. I'm not saying that my opinion on the characters is the only possible but most of it is somewhat in the comic. I'm not going to go in the detail about those things because I'm probably going to spoil it if you haven't read the strips.
The word you are thinking about is bisexuality. I think that would be the sexual orientation of most characters. I'm pretty sure at least France and Italy are bisexual. C: But my favorite view in this subject is that the nations really don't mind either gender.

I have read some interesting views about this matter. One fanfic author I enjoy said that:
"I like the idea that nations-as-nations don't have gender-preferences, but on some level I want nations-as-people to have them" which would mean that the nations would be involved with other nations (even sexually) because of political circumstances, but still maybe have a personal preference. Something along the lines of Spain and Austria "marriage" (they don't really talk about it in the comic I think, but it's a historical fact). Even if they did marry, it doesn't necessarily mean they're gay. I think it's an interesting possibility.

Now about the family relations.
I don't really think the nations are born naturally from a mom and a dad like normal people. I think that they just "appear". And when they die they "disappear" without leaving a body or something. Fathers/Mothers would be the ancestors of the countries politically or culturally. So Ancient Rome would be Italy's dad, and so on. Brothers/Sisters would be countries that are more culturally linked. All the germans would be "blood brothers" for example: Prussia, Germany, the other old german states like Bavaria, Saxony, and even Austria, maybe Liechtenstein, would be somehow siblings or at least "cousins". But this would be the "blood relations". Even if Austria is somehow Germany's brother, I don;t think they think of them as such. Since Prussia was the one that raised Germany he would be his "true brother."

Now I think I'm the one rambling... xD I like wasting my time pondering about this kind of things. : p

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-18 19:10:41 +0000 UTC]

Oh I see. Good. ^_^ Actually, to tell you, I'm starting to like discussing this kind of thing as well. I have been wanting to talk to someone about my thoughts on some of these matters before I had know one so I kept it to myself like I was talking about to myself.

I understand what are coming from now about the sexuality part. I didn't quite understand at first so I was guessing.

As for your examples, first, I don't think they would think of their people as their children, especially when their lives are being control by them. If that was the case then it would be the other way around. Their people would not have any power. Their most likely would not be any government, or at least maybe not a national government. Just government concerning states/provinces and cities/towns, and when there is no national government there is no national leaders so the countries would not having bosses. They would be in control of the people as well as their lives. What I think is, and Belgium from that South Italy x Belgium fanfic I showed you before puts it, that the countries represent their people. This would make sense as well as explain why the countries are to a degree stereotypes. For example, take America. America represents the people of the United States and the way he acts represents the majority of how people act and think over here. Of course it doesn't mean everyone in the U.S is annoying, loud mouths that eats a lot of burgers and are really dedicated to justice and enforcing people to think the same way they do, but you know that I'm sure.

Secondly, I think they can become close to people. After all, I’m sure they had good relations with some of their bosses in the past as well as with people who had made a difference for them and everyone else, like in the case with France and Saint Joan. And considering this yes, it’s even possible for them to fall in love with a regular human, again like it probably was with France and Saint Joan. After all while they are different from us they are still human and possess the qualities that make them such. I even thought of cases where a country falls in love with a person they came across and possible writing a fan fic about it but I don’t think I would.

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I understand. I haven’t yet read all of Hidekazu strips (at least the ones that are available). I mostly only read the ones that would drawn for publication and I only seen most of the first season of the animated adaptation of his publish strips. I just learn that there are a lot more strips that he made that were not publish as well as the fact he had to retell/redraw some of his stories for publication. I have a lot to read. Also, thanks for telling me the word. That was the word I was looking for. I first heard it from a movie called “Dodgeball” (Funny movie by the way). I would agree that France and Spain are bisexual. Germany and North and South Italy I would say they may be bisexual because I’m sure at the moment if they are or not. It’s possible from what I have seen so far and heard from people about their relationships in the series, but I need to see more of their relationships with other nations to be sure. As for the other nations I’m more familiar with, such as England and America, I would say they are heterosexual until proven their not. And then there are some nations I hardly know of so far that I can’t say, such as the African nations and Belgaria for example.

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So Spain and Austria were once possibly married. I didn’t know that, but then I’m not that familiar with both the history of Spain and Austria, especially Austria. I know a bit about Spain’s history. Anyway, what you stated earlier “even if they did marry, it doesn't necessarily mean they're gay” would make since. After all it’s like they were in a arrange marriage that they didn’t approve of, except it’s not a straight arrange marriage which is different.

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You know, that’s what it seems like sometimes with these countries! AT least with the case of both Japan and America and I should say Canada as well since he’s America’s brother. From the stories they were first found as children it seems like they came out of nowhere and there isn’t any mentioning of their parents. It’s like they were orphans until found taken into a care by someone. And then there are the nations who are not adults such as Sealand for instance. For one thing the fact that Sealand came around recently could mean that England’s parents were somehow still around unless your hypothesis could be right and he just came out of know here having similar characteristics and culture to England making Sealand related to him. And of course like the case with Japan, America and Canada most of the other nations who are underage seem to come form know where, though from looking at your hypothesis it could somehow be possible that TRNC is somehow related to Turkey as well as Wy possible being related to Australia. Japan, along with Hong Kong and Taiwan can also be related to China somehow since from what I read about Japanese history is that the people of Japan originated from China and Hong King and Taiwan were once a part of him in a way so it may sense. Then there’s the case of Seychelles sometimes talking to and mentioning about her grandpa. Who is her grandpa? Also, I never knew that Austria, Liechtenstein, and Germany were related somehow. So it could be like they are distant relatives somehow. I could understand how Germnay and Austria would not think of each other as brothers if that were true since they don’t have this brotherly relationship as Germany and Prussia have.

I see. But it was interesting. ^_^

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-20 17:40:10 +0000 UTC]

As for your examples, first, I don't think they would think of their people as their children, especially when their lives are being control by them. If that was the case then it would be the other way around. Their people would not have any power. Their most likely would not be any government, or at least maybe not a national government. Just government concerning states/provinces and cities/towns, and when there is no national government there is no national leaders so the countries would not having bosses. They would be in control of the people as well as their lives.
Well, that makes sense. And yes, I think they act representing most of their people in personality, but not always... I mean, I don’t think that the way Poland acts respresents their country at least some of his behavior... So I guess they do have some of their own individuality.
So I think that the people “control” their countries, their decision, and can “change” some of their personality, but I also think the countries care for their people in a similar way that a mother do. I think the greatest love of any country is their people. At the same time, a great leader is somehow like a “father”/”mother” to their countries. Like Old Fritz seem to be for Prussia.

The possibility of them falling in love with a great leader or a hero or some other great personality seems pretty real. But I wonder what about average people?

Yeah, there are a lot of different strips. Some are non-published and some are very short, others are just comments he wrote about a certain character in his blog. This [link] and this [link] are good sites to find strips. The most recent ones are easily found on the livejournal community in the scanlation tag.

Austria married a lot of people in his history. : p

I doubt England’s parents are still around. They would probably be the tribes that uses to live in great britain before Rome got there. They would probably be “dead” by the time the germanic and nordic peoples started to live there as well. Sealand’s “father” would probably be England himself since Sealand was a british fort in the first place. But I don’t think England feels confortable being anyones dad. Maybe he think he is too young for it? : p

From the stories they were first found as children it seems like they came out of nowhere and there isn’t any mentioning of their parents. It’s like they were orphans until found taken into a care by someone. ->
That’s exactly what I think.

Seychelles was a bunch of unhabited islands before the french came. Their colonization was probably french with african influences. Then the british got the islands somehow (probably as a prize for some war, not very sure) and also influenced the culture.
I think this “grandpa” must be a normal person that took care of her during some time...

Austria, Liechtenstein, Prussia and a bunch of others mentioned briefly in the storyline (Saxony, Bavaria etc) are all “germans” so they are part of the same family. : p Austria was supposed to be part of “Germany” but he and Prussia fought over who would be Germany’s big brother and Prussia won (that’s my interpretation obviously... But something like that happend during the Austro-Prussian war)

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-20 21:07:54 +0000 UTC]

True. In fact, one of the things I like about Hetalia is that even though the characters are to a degree stereotypes it's not to the point they feel generic or bothersome as it is with other series whether it be anime or not. They feel human and it's because of this that they do have their own individuality. Also, I can understand how the greatest love of them would be their people. It's seems natural after all, especially if you're a country as well as some of the leaders being like a farther/mother figure to them.

I was thinking the same for people who are not historically important. As in a country can just fall in love with a random person they see/meet.

I'm familiar with the second link but the first one I haven't visit before. Thanks for showing me.

Austria must have a lot of X wives and husbands.

I see. Going by your theory that would make sense, but if that's the case he sure did and is doing what he doesn't like. The way England raise America it would see like England was his farther and now he is in a way doing the same with Sealand.

This morning I look up some information on the Seychelles and a lot what you said is true. the African influence part I did not know and to share the French name the island "Seychelles" after the famous fiance of the minister at the time. As for her grandpa I was getting the feeling she was talking to a normal person, but I wasn't sure. You know, if you think about it France and Seychelles meeting could have been similar to the time Sweden and Finland discover America or when China first met Japan, and just like America and Japan Seychelles as probably the only human like creature in those islands before France came along.

I see. I get the thought that Germany would have been a different person if Austria raised him.

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-23 13:54:29 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, that’s true.The stereotype is fun but at the same time their individuality is what make them so endearing. C:

The motto of one of Austria’s dinasty was "Let others wage wars, but you, happy Austria, marry!" xD

I don’t think England dislikes being an older brother/father. But i think he has some issues with it. When he first met America he really wanted a little brother and he was feeling lonely in Europe, but he had traumatic experience with his older brothers (Scotland, Wales, Ireland) so he did not even wanted to be called “brother” because it made him remember his terrible brothers so he prefered to be called just “England”. He had a lot of other “little brothers” as well such as Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

Yeah, I think the way France met Seychelle may be similar to the time Sweden and Fin found America...

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-23 18:40:11 +0000 UTC]

That's right.

I see. So during those warring times Austria was free to marry a bunch of countries in a away. I think I thought that motto was a bit funny.

Now I feel sorry for England. During the time America was little he was all alone and even earlier he was mistreated by his brothers, which I didn't even know England had older brothers, but I can understand why he would be related to Ireland and Scotland. His full name says it all. I can also understand Australia being his brother (though like the maybe case with Sealand he could also be his son. Maybe.) I didn't know England also thought of New Zealand as his brother.

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kiz-chan In reply to Aquasakura [2011-01-24 17:29:47 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, it's pretty funny. : p

I feel sorry for him as well. :/ Both Australia and New Zealand have the Iggy eyebrows (which Sealand has as well).

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Aquasakura In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-25 01:29:38 +0000 UTC]

I see.

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kiz-chan In reply to smilyimp [2011-01-09 19:56:37 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot!
I love DenNor. It's actually one of my favorite pairings. But drawing Denmark is hard. D: That hair...

lol, I already draw Alfred a lot. :3 And I probably won't stop anytime soon~

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smilyimp In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-12 01:54:29 +0000 UTC]

LoL I have the same problem drawing Den!!!!!
His hair is so hard to draw
I can't have enough of Alfred!!!!!!!

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kiz-chan In reply to lady-meff [2011-01-08 19:07:25 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. It's one of my favorites as well. (:
I just love drawing him.

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lady-meff In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-10 22:19:41 +0000 UTC]

it's really beautiful

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kiz-chan In reply to Ninfidel [2011-01-08 17:21:56 +0000 UTC]

Taiwan is so pretty, but I don't think I've nailed her character in my style properly. I'll try harder next time. ;D
Thank you very much. <3

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kiz-chan In reply to GlykoNat [2011-01-08 17:20:05 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! <3 I'm glad you think so!
I'm in love with Iceland lately. xD

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kiz-chan In reply to Apollo4 [2011-01-08 17:18:29 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot! <3 I like that one as well. (:

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kiz-chan In reply to EniBelle [2011-01-08 14:27:56 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot! <3
I had to draw that outfit when I saw it. : p

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EniBelle In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-13 23:31:57 +0000 UTC]

I KNOW RIGHT It's pretty dang cute, if you ask me.

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kiz-chan In reply to KawaiiNekito [2011-01-08 14:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much! <3

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KawaiiNekito In reply to kiz-chan [2011-01-08 14:33:00 +0000 UTC]

Your very welcome ^.^

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kiz-chan In reply to earthspring [2011-01-08 03:16:31 +0000 UTC]

Thanks a lot!
prusshun <3 They are adorable together~ I'm liking this couple more and more. :3

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