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Correction the Healing Factor wins.. Cass is waaay more skilled then Laura
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Healing can be a big factor here but intelligent wise......
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Well if Cassandra can beat people like Batman and Deathstroke fairly easily plus her attack prediction thing. I think she would have the upper hand until she gets tired..but hey the girl is only human
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Cass's attack prediction is WAY overrated:
1) ALL martial artists learn this to an extent.
2) It's HEAVILY dependent on the idea that the opponent doesn't, y'know, redirect the attack after it begins. All feints begin as a genuine attack, (never throw an attack you don't intend to hit with. If your opponent fails to react to it, you just wasted a free shot if you pull it because you intended to feint) so she'd have no way of telling the difference between a genuine attack and a feint from the first muscle twitch, which SEVERELY restricts the usefulness of that skill in an actual fight.
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This overrated skill allowed her to beat Batman and Deathstroke so its nothing to sneeze at..yes everyone can do that but she got it as a master level so much it made her heavily dyslexic.
Also X-23 healing factor is overrated..I mean her handler Kimura with no super strength is able to knock her out with a few punches
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1) Healing Factor is just that: Healing Factor. It HEALS her, it's not invulnerability. It DOES mean it takes more concentrated damage to bring her down because unless it's a MAJOR hit, Laura's going to recover from a single blow fairly quickly. By contrast, Laura probably only needs one hit to seriously cripple or outright kill Cass if she's using her claws. Case in point Laura's fight with Logan in Target X: Even though Laura is able to get a few really good hits in on Logan, it's not until she actively disrupts his Healing Factor by clogging the wounds that she's able to slow him down. She just couldn't do enough damage fast enough to overpower the Healing Factor, and that's the problem Cass would face in such a fight.
As for Kimura, consider she can increase the density of her body (which is why Laura's cut-anything-claws can't cut HER). Now apply said increased density to your FIST. Even without super strength Kimura can potentially hit FAR harder than would be expected from a normal martial artist of her size, weight and strength just because of the increased body density (punching exercises for many martial arts cause microfractures in the bones of the hand, which are then filled in by additional bone growth to increase the density of the bone for much this reason). So basically, the amount of damage she does to Laura with a hit she'd DEFINITELY be able to inflict against Cass as well.
Then there was also that fun frame in Target: X where Kimura was SHOVING HER HAND INSIDE A HUMAN CHEST CAVITY. Kimura is NOT exactly normal.
2) Dyslexia is a form of MENTAL DISABILITY that would have nothing to do with what she did or did not train to do. In other words: You don't develop dyslexia by training your brain REALLY hard for something else.
3) If you're going to look at training, Cass and Laura both began training at about the same age, and recorded their first kills at about the same age as (Cass was 8, Laura was 9). However Laura was an assassin until the age of 13 before she finally escaped, and her body count was implied to be in the HUNDREDS (when you have Captain America PERSONALLY tracking you down for years I think that's pretty telling about just how dangerous you are). IIRC Cass escaped after her first kill. Avengers Arena notes that Laura walks into a room and has already formulated about a dozen different plans to kill everyone inside it.
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All im saying is Cass can taking the same amount of opponents and defeat them without killing any and not have any super powers at all to just " see her through it" and im not talking random minions but league of assassin people even Lady Shiva. Also if you knew anything about Cass she had dyslexia because the section of her brain handling language was so beaten down that it learned body language to a level beyond mere training wich is why this ability is even mentioned on her wiki and in the comics and the reason she was mute when she started
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Right, and Laura only ever goes after random minions. She killed Lady Deathstrike (granted she got better, but she IS a Cyborg after all) and NEARLY killed Miss Sinister as well (besides kicking MR. Sinister out of her head when he tried to pull a Grand Theft Me her, which is just badass in of itself). She was also one of the only people that actually managed to even INJURE Hulk during World War Hulk.
Anyway, this argument is pointless. Just like every other debate on this I've seen, the Bat Family fanboys latch on to the Body Language Reading as if it's a magic "Win" button. The reality is:
1) Both are highly-trained fighters in multiple martial arts (armed and unarmed) beginning at roughly the same age. No clear advantage for either side here.
2) Even assuming Cass's body reading is better than the average martial artist, it's not NEARLY the dominant advantage it's being made out to be. The fact that Cass is definitely NOT superhuman, is not a mind reader or clairvoyant greatly limits just how much of an advantage she has. She still has to see the twitch and react to it. And ESPECIALLY considering that trained martial artists are also trained to minimize telegraphing and wasted movements, a skilled opponent (IE Laura) is going to give Cass VERY little to work with. I'm willing to give Cass an advantage here, but as I said, it's not nearly so decisive, which means it comes down to:
3) Laura's healing factor doesn't make her invulnerable,Β (that said, she DID survive a direct blast from NIMROD...) but Cass STILL has to inflict far more damage in a very short space of time to actually put her out of a fight. ESPECIALLY if she goes into the fight without lethal weapons (Laura has been shown reattaching severed limbs or healing broken bones and getting back into a fight within a few SECONDS). On the other hand, Laura just needs one timely hit with her claws and Cass is either crippled or dead. Even if Laura doesn't use her claws, Cass isn't going to bounce back from dislocated or broken limbs the same way Laura can.
4) Cass is, ultimately, a normal human who theoretically is limited to operating within the limits of peak human physical condition (of course, DC is REALLY bad about straining that definition, and the Bat Family ESPECIALLY thumbs its nose at the suspension of disbelief). Laura's mutation gives her limited increased strength, (less than Wolverine since only her claws are reinforced since her skeleton can't support it) and agility, endurance, and reflexes well beyond peak human, which gives her a clear advantage over Cass in those areas.
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Actually if you read X-23 " Marvel Handbook Enceclopedia" she is on at peak level and under it when it comes to strenght.. she can only achieve it via her healing factor wich allows her to push herself at peak human condition. So Physicly they are on the same level the only diffrence is her healing factor giving her more stamina. Cass has beaten Meta before Β and she got no powers even Batman or deathtroke who is a super human with a healing factor boosted strenght,reflex ect got defeated by her.. she can dodge freakin bullets at point blank easily ect so again seems like an even fight to me aside from the stamina part and to be fair if Batman and Deathstroke.. the guy that can use 90% of his brain cant land a hand on her I dont see why Laura would have a easier time
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Yep, this is proceeding down the path I usually see. The Body Reading gets shot down, so out comes the "She can dodge bullets" (like I said, DC is TERRIBLE about stretching the limits of "peak human ability"). Laura has been shown doing the classic bare-handed-blade-block without getting cut, (at about AGE SEVEN) which is no less ridiculous. Also, my understanding is that the Encyclopedia is HORRIBLY inaccurate. Laura has certainly been shown performing physical feats that are low-superhuman on a regular bases. One example I can think of right off the top of my head is that she dodged one of Mr. Sinister's energy blasts from less than three feet away. So if Cass is "peak human" and Laura's mutation places her slightly beyond that, then Cass being able to dodge bullets becomes moot, because if bullet dodging is peak human levels then Laura is STILL somewhat ahead of the curve.
And WHAT does the "guy that can use 90% of his brain can't land a hand on her" have to do with anything? 1) The whole "You only use X% of your brain" is bunk, anyway. 2) Once the swinging starts you're on muscle memory and reflex. If you're actively thinking about what you're doing while you're in the middle of an exchange you're in deep trouble.
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Thank you.
Ya, I think x-23 will win eventually
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wuau is pic awesome one great fight in my opinion x-23 wins is one good work colugrations friend.
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Great Job!
This would be an awesome fight, though in the end I would put my money on X-23
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Thx dude, appreciate that.
I've joined the facebook group, awaiting approval.
Thx for the invitation. Cheers!
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Awesome, you are in, I can't wait to see the matches you post.
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