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shadowclasper [2017-08-15 20:55:05 +0000 UTC]
I'll have to see it myself, I was looking forward to it, but the idea that the miracle of dunkirk was reduced to 4 boats is just sad...
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LeoDormouse [2017-08-11 12:36:51 +0000 UTC]
I completely agree with you. Some other things bothered me deeply, but the 8 tiny boats were nothing short of a letdown.
I am especially angry at the movie because I am French, I guess.
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JAFNOVA [2017-08-08 17:22:24 +0000 UTC]
I finally saw the film last night and I was able to follow it pretty well.
I've known about the story of Dunkirk since I was a child only because I have family members who did fight in World War II tell me about it and it was part of our history classes back in High School about World War II and the years following after.
When I asked my grandfather about what happen in Dunkirk (He of course wasn't there, he was fighting the Germans a little later in the War.) he could sum it up in one word as for the whole thing and that was; "Fu-Bar" or the military version: "F.U.B.A.R" meaning: "F*cked up beyond all reason."
After seeing film; "Yeah, FUBAR."
There is a couple scenes in the film that of a group of men that I don't think did get enough praised for in there part that did aid in a big way when the time came to finally leave and that was the "Combat Engineer". This guy and his team had a great idea of taking trucks and other pieces of equipment that was pretty much worthless now and made a long and high enough pier out of the machines that when the tide did finally come in high enough for the small boats to approach the beach without getting stuck in the sand. This helped the Armies to make a greater speed at getting off and out of the beach area and get on to the near-by Navy Destroyers and other larger sea going vessels which could not come in too closely because the risk on being stuck on the sand and then becoming targets themselves from the Nazi's guns and heavy cannon battery units.
I guess for some arrogant people out there, the "political correctness" factor that there was too many whites or too many males in a combat zone in general was too important than something like that very small and not too small historical points that should be brought up as something that should be praised for the brave and ingenious military personnel such as the Combat Engineer who are some sometimes the unsung heroes in a war just like the meteorologist who without them bad weather can play a huge part in winning a battle. Just ask Napoleon Bonaparte this, he knew the valve of his men and the force of Mother Nature can play in its part in a victory.
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BC25 [2017-08-02 18:22:47 +0000 UTC]
i feel this part of history gets too much attention
besides it needs to be pointed that although we avoided disaster at dunkirk...
we did lose our entire position in another part of the world in SINGAPORE
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Boatloads1017 [2017-08-01 06:09:28 +0000 UTC]
I'm in the same boat, and it baffles me how much people are willing to go to bat for these ultimately mediocre movies.
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BarbecuedIguana [2017-07-30 22:44:13 +0000 UTC]
Christopher Nolan specializes in ruining the things you love to make Christopher Nolan seem smarter than he actually is. Yeah, I was thrilled to see a movie was being made about Dunkirk, until I heard who it was being made by.
At least it wasn't Michael Bay. The boats didn't suddenly turn into wooden robots who single-handedly saved the troops and then chastised them for not being American enough before rolling on to spank Hitler with the Excalibur.
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Pimsey [2017-07-30 19:52:56 +0000 UTC]
What did you think of Memento?
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Astronovi [2017-07-30 14:03:04 +0000 UTC]
I watched this on Saturday, I knew something felt off and odd about it
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Civandalic In reply to ozzboyd [2017-07-30 11:27:06 +0000 UTC]
People are more likely to talk about things that bother them than things they enjoy.
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cuquito101 [2017-07-30 01:09:37 +0000 UTC]
i enjoyed the movie , but i find your review to be quite accurate aswell, i cant put a dent in any of your criticism cause they are valid. I think i was more taken into the movie cause of the sound. seriously it was top notch and it got me.
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Pelzknaeul91 [2017-07-29 22:18:43 +0000 UTC]
The biggest gripe (spoilers ahead?!?) I had with the movie, is that it is cut the way Martin tells Game of Thrones... you have NO clue where you are in the timeline till you finally get to a point you've seen before.... A bit more effort at structuring this thing would have gone a LONG way to make it better.
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WickedPrince [2017-07-29 17:57:17 +0000 UTC]
This movie looks quite interesting though I'm not a big "modern history" fan. I'm more into ancient history. Along with my SF and fantasy obsessions. So my main interest right now is Valerian. I was wondering what the heck was going on during the initial release week when it was showing at only a handful of theaters and only in the 3D theaters, and only once or twice per day, but I noticed that now they are showing more shows in the regular theaters. So I'm planning to make a run for one of those.
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Shimaha [2017-07-29 15:21:41 +0000 UTC]
A 97 year old Dunkirk veteran who saw the movie last week said it was very fairly represented. I myself haven't seen it yet so I cannot say but his endorsement is the best praise this movie could possibly get in my opinion.
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doktorno [2017-07-29 14:43:16 +0000 UTC]
He tried to avoid CGI overload, and he got credit from me to that.
But yes, he could use it just to clone more boats, soldiers on beach and destroyed/damaged buildings.
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skunktoy [2017-07-29 14:09:13 +0000 UTC]
Bummer... lots of material to work with... but hollywood mostly sucks these days...
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OmegaZzyzx In reply to skunktoy [2017-07-29 16:51:01 +0000 UTC]
I have to disagree. I keep finding plenty of films from Hollywood that meet and exceed my expectations every year. But I always hear people saying Hollywood is going down hill. When, frankly, I still see new and original films each year do excellent in the ratings.
Sorry, no harshness to you. I just hear that line every so often and I think that I just disagree. Not everyone of the films is brilliant, but nothing that comes out of a studio or group is always perfect and thumbs up worthy.
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skunktoy In reply to OmegaZzyzx [2017-07-29 21:00:07 +0000 UTC]
Cool that someone else has a different experience than I do. Not real impressed with most of what I've tried to watch in the last decade...
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seradhe [2017-07-29 09:42:55 +0000 UTC]
I have to disagree with the Memento parallel. Potential, very minor, spoiler here...
The very beginning of the film established that the soldiers waited a week in Dunkirk, the Civilian Sailors took a day to cross the channel, and the pilots only an hour. So what you're watching are three separate timelines that converge in the end. A better parallel might be Inception, minus the crack psychology of dreams
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Letrune [2017-07-29 08:54:51 +0000 UTC]
Aww, I was looking forward for tjis movie being good... Sad. So, I got to sot it out and rather read Merle's Eight Days we got.
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BoneSatellite In reply to Letrune [2017-07-29 17:21:47 +0000 UTC]
You could also see it anyway, instead of making your decisions base on someone else's opinion. Just a thought.
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Letrune In reply to BoneSatellite [2017-07-29 17:24:04 +0000 UTC]
Well, if it comes out AND the prices drop to a nicer price, I can see it. I will see. :3
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kouri-no-kitsune [2017-07-29 06:29:03 +0000 UTC]
I am slightly disappointed now. I was really looking forward to seeing this. Maybe I screwed my expectations playing too much World of Warships lately.
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LeoDormouse In reply to kouri-no-kitsune [2017-08-11 12:51:44 +0000 UTC]
I think it depends on what you are looking for. It is a nice story about war, but the historical accuracy and the storylines are of debatable quality. The acting is good though.
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BoneSatellite In reply to kouri-no-kitsune [2017-07-29 17:19:32 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, just listen blindly to someone on the internet. Let others make your decisions for you.
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kouri-no-kitsune In reply to BoneSatellite [2017-07-30 05:48:46 +0000 UTC]
Why should I listen to you then? I trust jolly's opinion more than yours.
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crackedrenamon In reply to kouri-no-kitsune [2017-07-30 15:11:42 +0000 UTC]
To BoneSatellite, who blocked me because he can't take any counter arguments and blocked me before hand, you are a solid brat, a spoiled little brat who can't seem to keep from swearing like all other brats.
Sorry to take over Kouri-no-kitsune post, he just blocked me.
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kouri-no-kitsune In reply to crackedrenamon [2017-07-31 05:08:25 +0000 UTC]
He blocked me too. Wow, this guy needs a hobby. Although, i figure he'd be the type to sit in a Starbucks all day and inject himself into others' conversations.
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crackedrenamon In reply to kouri-no-kitsune [2017-07-31 12:48:52 +0000 UTC]
I thought his hobby was sitting on a street corner shouting New Coke was just stolen Pepsi, but yeah I really don't know what his deal is.
Thanks for not getting mad at me for using your post.
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kouri-no-kitsune In reply to crackedrenamon [2017-08-01 05:33:40 +0000 UTC]
No worries. Boner Satellite there blocked me too. I didn't even think I was disagreeing with him that hard. Fragile ego much. Seems like he has some issues with stuff like this. Stay cool.
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BoneSatellite In reply to kouri-no-kitsune [2017-07-30 06:02:38 +0000 UTC]
How about your own opinion? I didn't ask you to listen to me; I suggested NOT letting others make decisions for you.
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crackedrenamon In reply to BoneSatellite [2017-07-30 12:55:26 +0000 UTC]
Well how DARE somebody get an opinion before they go out and spend their hard earn money, they should just recklessly spend on everything that comes our way.
I mean it's not like trailers lied before and something is a completely different movie or leave out a bad twist ending.
Hang on, they DO! And sometimes getting that opinion can actually help, maybe they should call it something special, like, I don't know.... A Review?
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BoneSatellite In reply to crackedrenamon [2017-07-30 13:05:18 +0000 UTC]
Hey, kouri-no-kitsune said he was looking forward to seeing it. Now he'll never know if he agrees or disagrees with JJ.
So fuck off.
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vevans0009 [2017-07-29 02:30:05 +0000 UTC]
Understandable about the boat numbers. I did not see the big "Hope" just a flea size of it.
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Randommode [2017-07-29 00:53:17 +0000 UTC]
He makes very EMOTIONAL movies, but not very big on PLOT movies; which is super rare for your people, you usually do quite the opposite to where even reading some of your works; I am surprised how forefront the details are. In fact you tend to rather personally front load the details of your stories. He is the smarter version of The Michael Bays but the depth problems are the same. I will say again tho, he does connect emotionally to the audience, but he leans too heavily on that.
I felt West World did much the same, though his brother is SLIGHTLY better about it, but not by much.
Whenever you do any story big or small or normal or H, if the audience can relate to or understand the characters is key, the audience will go along for some crazy things as long as they get where the character's hearts are at, still there has to be a plot that makes sense, however, when someone who has problems even doing that much moves from fiction to non fiction, well.... this was to be expected.
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Civandalic In reply to Randommode [2017-07-30 11:36:33 +0000 UTC]
To expound on your last point, the film still has to make sense. People, unless they suffer from some debilitating mental illness, feel emotions for logical reasons; in order to cause the viewer to sympathize with the characters they have to fully understand what the characters are going through. This is primarily done through two ways combined: Sympathy and establishment.
Yes, emotions are important, this is how we come to like the characters. But sooner or later the plot has to stand on its own so that we, as an audience, can at least partially imagine ourselves thinking of a resolution that the characters we like will strive for. When things are presented illogically, then the reality of the film itself doesn't work and we're jerked out of our verisimilitude.
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SeriousBacon [2017-07-29 00:37:41 +0000 UTC]
Flagged as Spam
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Foxtrack In reply to SeriousBacon [2017-07-29 21:53:30 +0000 UTC]
well, considering that the people calling everyone else facist and nazis are acting exactly like facist and nazis, and have praised hitler quotes being spoken to them, youtu.be/qNMAp8kXWrc
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hillerj [2017-07-29 00:31:38 +0000 UTC]
I've enjoyed Nolan's The Dark Knight, The Prestige and Inception, but otherwise have been kind of underwhelmed by his supposed genius. I haven't had a chance to see Dunkirk yet, but now I might wait to see it online or something.
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newmanaccount [2017-07-29 00:26:10 +0000 UTC]
The Prestige was without a doubt his best film. I agree with your criticisms though.
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theojeca [2017-07-28 23:59:56 +0000 UTC]
Ah dunkerque... so many subjects that can be showed in a single movie.
-The point of view of the germans and why they had to slow their blitzkrieg for example ?
no.
-The last stand of the French fighting to buy time for their allies and their own evacuation at the very end ?
no.
-Almost all the french that got left behind when it was finaly their time to fall back ?
no.
Alright let's... go full british then.
-Dudes standing on beach?
check.
-French container ships and various other french ships sunk by the royal navy to block the port entrance to prevent the germans to use it later instead of using them to evacuate the soldiers more efficiently ?
no.
-the "Miracle of Dunkerque"
the cheapest check please.
-how shitty it was as a rifleman to wait, be powerless as you get shot and bombed ?
ckeck.
...
Just why.
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theojeca In reply to LeoDormouse [2017-08-16 18:00:04 +0000 UTC]
Après ça aurait pu être une approche intéressante.
Mais dans ce cas à ne pas présenter comme si c'était Dunkerque tout court.
Et en mieux fait aussi.
C'est pas faux...
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Fraliose [2017-07-28 23:34:46 +0000 UTC]
And don't forget the immaculate yet bombarde, absolutly empty yet full of wreck beach were not so much of the story of dunkirk take place instead of the harbour that we never see in the movie, and the well known dive attack of the german stuka planes done perfectly horizontaly, droping one bomb that become three on the floor. Talking about plane, do you know a damaged plane only does some white smoke frome the bottom and absolutly nothing else ever ?
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