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AspiePie [2015-08-11 12:56:01 +0000 UTC]
Muslims ought top respond to attacks on their religion non-violently.. But should the media really be making every bigot into a cool guy rebel? That is the question?
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elgregorPL [2015-05-21 09:08:28 +0000 UTC]
I agree. Some Muslims believe that music is haram (sinful). It would be really hard for us to abandon music, so we definitely won't do it for the sake of not offending few persons. Some of them get angry if you criticize Islam. It would be hard (even unacceptable) for us to forbid criticising Islam. But not drawing Muhammad is really fucking easy and it doesn't cost us anything not to draw Muhammad. So why don't we just stop drawing him and be done with it?
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Exovare In reply to elgregorPL [2015-07-08 19:13:07 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. The people involved were pretty much asking for it.
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Robotic-Mind [2015-05-10 21:15:26 +0000 UTC]
The dictactorship of the offended. Don't say anything or you will make booboos.
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Dakathi666 [2015-05-08 22:36:23 +0000 UTC]
True!
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Scyphi [2015-05-08 00:18:49 +0000 UTC]
Largely with you on this. Too often I see people that seem to think freedom in general equates to the ability to do whatever they want and never have to face anything bad about it, but that's flat out not true. Just like Newton's third law of motion, for every act of freedom there is an opposite reaction in response. But most people want all the acts of freedom with none of the reactions that come as a consequence that.
And they're really only fooling themselves. Short of divine intervention (and I'll leave it to the rest of you to decide how likely that may or may not be), there are always going to be consequences to your actions. So if you're really adamant you're going to do it, hopefully you're prepared for the consequences that WILL follow, whether they be good or bad.
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Silval58 [2015-05-07 20:06:33 +0000 UTC]
Anybody can shout "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater, but they better expect to get trampled if there ain't no fire. Sounds legit to me.
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MasterOshawott [2015-05-07 19:50:10 +0000 UTC]
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saharokgurfan [2015-05-07 17:50:03 +0000 UTC]
stuped american faget.
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ceramicpony [2015-05-07 06:33:02 +0000 UTC]
The interesting thing about human nature is that violence always comes full circle. If someone does something they know will provoke death threats from a group, yes they shoulder responsibility for provoking violent people. In turn the people who threaten death because someone offended them must also accept the consequences for their willingness to kill. I believe the saying "Live by the sword, die by the sword" applies very well here.
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BGKyouhen [2015-05-07 01:11:21 +0000 UTC]
I love the part where the Muslim community in general is against depictions of Muhammad and people draw him. Why? Is there /really/ anything that requires you to draw him instead of a generic Muslim? That's just common decency in the same way that I don't go around burning crosses. I'm not a dick and my options aren't overly limited by my refusal to do things that are going to offend people.
That and, as you said, I'm not going to do things that piss off extremists. Just like I'm not going to jump in front of a train and expect it to stop. That's called common sense.
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LindeDash [2015-05-06 20:58:06 +0000 UTC]
I'm from Denmark, where a news paper paid a number of artists to draw pictures of Muhammad, back in September 2005.
On Valentines Day 2015 there was yet another terror attack where innocent people where killed. One of the targets was one of the artists back from 2005.
Your sum up grievousfan is the same way I feel. Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD
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vindurza [2015-05-06 19:47:42 +0000 UTC]
free speech has started a whole mess of trouble at my branch of the college lately so I can see how it can lead to issues
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bobshmit13 [2015-05-06 08:41:30 +0000 UTC]
I agree with you. Free speech has consequences and I say unless you are trying to make a good point like Charlie was, DON'T DO IT! And as far as I can tell from the article, this rally and contest was the equivalent of a KKK rally. Compared to Charlie who was against ONLY the extremist, not all of the muslims.
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pskullv [2015-05-06 01:01:48 +0000 UTC]
Has anyone ever tried talking to the people that are offended by these things, rather than just judging them by standards they don't adhere to?
I mean, it's called "extremism" for a reason; it's not excusable. But I do have to wonder what exactly they are thinking.
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kwendynew [2015-05-05 23:23:27 +0000 UTC]
Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.
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ReikuYin [2015-05-05 23:22:40 +0000 UTC]
As one that works for the media. I'm pleased to see someone tell it like it damn well is.
Just cause you can, dose NOT mean you should. I can sick my head in a microwave and turn it on. But that dose not mean I will or should.
Same applies to saying things. You can say what you like, but not always should you, not unless your willing to suffer the consequences of what you are saying, just as you put.
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Namarama [2015-05-05 22:19:34 +0000 UTC]
wow. just... wow. you got this so completely right that i have no words. just wow.
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lilminette [2015-05-05 21:58:27 +0000 UTC]
You pretty much stated what I was thinking the other night when I read this story.
My thoughts were a lot more blunt, though. More along the lines of, "There is a world of difference between exercising free speech, and being an a**hole. Any person with a hint of empathy and some common friggin' sense can tell that difference." But "throwing rocks at a hornet's nest" is a better analogy.
At times like this I already feel like an old fogie because it's like, "Damn kids raised on the internet, getting away with massive amounts of harassment that would get you called into court in the real world. In my day when you attacked someone you were called into the principal's office or were grounded for a week or lost your computer and video game privileges."
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MrSpartin [2015-05-05 21:13:43 +0000 UTC]
Well said.
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Work-Fiction [2015-05-05 20:44:37 +0000 UTC]
I say fuck it to the fullest extent. If I get my ass kicked or shot over what come out my mouth. May my last words be the most spiteful and insulting thing to ever leave my lips. Cause I don't care about the politics or the philosophy, we speak bias non-sense and we have been doing it for centuries... So why stop now?
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MythsFlight [2015-05-05 18:19:09 +0000 UTC]
You sir, deserve an award.
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Fugiri-Shi [2015-05-05 16:35:59 +0000 UTC]
*Salute*
Put down pretty much the way most people need to hear it.
Cause and Effect. It's as simple as that.
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kahas [2015-05-05 16:01:09 +0000 UTC]
You're absolutely right, that is matter of choice. One way is totally as legitimate as the other. And both deserve to be protected.
Telling people to force-choose to draw and possibly endanger their life would be ironically extremist.
+1 kudo to you, grievousfan ! (again)
We were 4 millions in streets in Paris not to defend a provocation, but to defend the fact Charlie Hebdo made a choice.
Obviously we were not 4 millions pro-drawers in there, myself I would not draw this kind of thing if it meant to endanger my life, but on the other side, why would I be afraid of dying because of a sarcastic doodle ?
It's not just about danger of death, it's about someone thinking its beliefs are better than a human's life.
That is batponyshit crazy.
That is a good example of civilization clash.
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Henfjo [2015-05-05 13:50:23 +0000 UTC]
The scary thing is that it's easy for a person to become an extremist or in lesser extent an extreme fanboy/girl of something, creating a feeling that the people or brands a person support, are superior than other brands or people.
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Godforoth [2015-05-05 11:19:57 +0000 UTC]
Well I see your point.... Drawing Muhammad just for the sake of it isn't smart..... The guys at Charlie Hebdo where professionnals who draw him for their job, with caricatures of that persone for the illustartion of the press .....They did it to pass a message.... but I kind of see your point.... case like this happend even before Charlie.... maybe they should know or at least be lest provocative I dunno.....
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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 15:48:00 +0000 UTC]
Less provocative ? Man, that was Charlie Hebdo way of life.
Everybody in France know they are provocative towards anyone.
That's the whole point of a caricature and that is why it's something good, at least not bad.
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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 16:04:16 +0000 UTC]
Yeah... sorry...
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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 16:38:59 +0000 UTC]
Why are you sorry ?
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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:01:53 +0000 UTC]
To have upset you and say stupid things
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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 17:14:48 +0000 UTC]
Je suis en colère ?
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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:16:15 +0000 UTC]
Oh you speak French?
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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 17:17:39 +0000 UTC]
Je suis français, ça aide.
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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:19:13 +0000 UTC]
Oh! d'accord..... désolé
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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:27:08 +0000 UTC]
Cherche pas... j'ai une grosse manie à m'excuser beaucoup
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Fragnostic [2015-05-05 10:46:35 +0000 UTC]
Free spinach, perhaps?
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Fragnostic In reply to grievousfan [2015-05-06 00:18:51 +0000 UTC]
Don't hate on the green!
Speaking of green, there's a green that will get you any kind of freedom...
It usually has dead kings or presidents on it.
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