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Published: 2015-05-04 21:38:30 +0000 UTC; Views: 6373; Favourites: 56; Downloads: 0
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Description Lawd Jesus news is at it again.



I was going to keep my mouth shut about this because mine seems to be an unpopular opinion, but y'know...since the story is on the news literally right now, I feel like giving my two cents on Free Speech and the Freedom of Expression artists so rely on.

I'm of the opinion that, why yes, I should be able to say whatever the fuck I feel like without worrying about offending someone. Because let's face it, the phrase "I'm offended" on the Internet has become a certain kind of Troll-Bait. Say you're offended on the Internet and you'll be bombarded with trolls shouting at you to get the fuck off the Internet and run back to ur mum.

I don't remember who said it first, but someone well-known said something to the effect of;
"You are free to say what you want, but you are not free from the consequences of that which you have said."

If I insulted someone's mother to their face they would beat the shit out of me. This isn't a breach of my freedom of speech, this is cause and effect. If someone had insulted MY mother to my face then I would've done the same damn thing, so why should I be surprised that someone else reacted to my statement the exact same way I would react if they'd said it to me?




The story on the news is about a "Draw Muhammad Contest" in Texas, where a bunch of cartoonists have gathered to draw the prophet Muhammad in cartoons. Predictably, some Muslim extremists weren't too happy about it and shot the place up.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/d…
www.msnbc.com/msnbc/garland-te…
www.theguardian.com/us-news/20…
(nevermind that Texas is the Gun Capital of the U.S.)

Nooowww...



Everybody remembers the  Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris. At least, everybody who values their free speech as an artist remembers them. I'm not downplaying how bad these shootings were; they were horrible. Innocent people died for exercising their freedom of expression, which is something that, in a perfect world, should never happen. But...we don't live in a perfect world, and the reality is that there are people who will kill you for speaking your mind/disrespecting something they hold sacred. The firestorm these shootings caused here on U.S. soil is testament that many people don't realize this fact.

I don't know about anyone else, but...well, if I knew that someone would kill me for drawing {insert thing}, then I wouldn't fucking draw it. That's just me. I kinda like living, and I can do that just fine without ever drawing Muhammad (or ever saying the n-word, for that matter).

Everyone I've said this to thought I was buying into the "fear mongering" that the media is spreading. I like to think of it as choosing not to throw a stone at a hornet's nest.

A lot of people online (specifically anyone thirteen and under) are under the impression that the  First Amendment gives them the absolute and unalienable right to state their opinions with no consequences. Oftentimes, these are the same group of kids who think disrespecting the military is a fad. So to these kids, I want to say; next time you want to draw Muhammad or call a black person an offensive racial slur, just remember that people literally died, and are dying, for your right to say it. The least you could do is think about what kind of effects your words (and actions) might have before you say them.








Edit:
People seem to be misinterpreting this Journal as either victim-blaming or "bowing to public pressure". So, I'll just sum up the whole thing right here;

I just ain't gonna draw Muhammad, y'all. However, just because I won't doesn't mean I'll try to stop others from doing it. What this whole Journal is about is realizing that Free Speech can have consequences.

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Comments: 174

AspiePie [2015-08-11 12:56:01 +0000 UTC]

Muslims ought top respond to attacks on their religion non-violently.. But should the media really be making every bigot into a cool guy rebel? That is the question?

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ToxicITZI [2015-07-11 15:52:00 +0000 UTC]

well said. This is a realistic look in a situation that is not all black or white, but rather explicative of things that can come to happen.

can I just say that, the way you worded reminds me of how friends and close relatives explained to me some states of affairs in the world, the only times someone ever feels like they're learning a thing or two about the world around them?

mind you, I know all about this, but the way you worded it should (hopefully) be a good enough explanation for anyone else.

so, good for you grievousfan that you exercise your freedom of expression the way you see fit and thanks for sharing this.

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DoubleBMan13 [2015-06-09 00:05:18 +0000 UTC]

Deep.

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elgregorPL [2015-05-21 09:08:28 +0000 UTC]

I agree. Some Muslims believe that music is haram (sinful). It would be really hard for us to abandon music, so we definitely won't do it for the sake of not offending few persons. Some of them get angry if you criticize Islam. It would be hard (even unacceptable) for us to forbid criticising Islam. But not drawing Muhammad is really fucking easy and it doesn't cost us anything not to draw Muhammad. So why don't we just stop drawing him and be done with it?

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Exovare In reply to elgregorPL [2015-07-08 19:13:07 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. The people involved were pretty much asking for it.

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CaptainPenguin [2015-05-20 19:31:59 +0000 UTC]

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grievousfan In reply to CaptainPenguin [2015-05-21 02:07:47 +0000 UTC]

*(\

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Robotic-Mind [2015-05-10 21:15:26 +0000 UTC]

The dictactorship of the offended. Don't say anything or you will make booboos.

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Mickeymonster [2015-05-10 08:29:02 +0000 UTC]

I whole heartedly agree.

Well said man, well said!

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Dakathi666 [2015-05-08 22:36:23 +0000 UTC]

True!

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Scyphi [2015-05-08 00:18:49 +0000 UTC]

Largely with you on this. Too often I see people that seem to think freedom in general equates to the ability to do whatever they want and never have to face anything bad about it, but that's flat out not true. Just like Newton's third law of motion, for every act of freedom there is an opposite reaction in response. But most people want all the acts of freedom with none of the reactions that come as a consequence that.

And they're really only fooling themselves. Short of divine intervention (and I'll leave it to the rest of you to decide how likely that may or may not be), there are always going to be consequences to your actions. So if you're really adamant you're going to do it, hopefully you're prepared for the consequences that WILL follow, whether they be good or bad.

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Silval58 [2015-05-07 20:06:33 +0000 UTC]

Anybody can shout "FIRE!!" in a crowded theater, but they better expect to get trampled if there ain't no fire. Sounds legit to me.

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MasterOshawott [2015-05-07 19:50:10 +0000 UTC]

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Icesticker In reply to MasterOshawott [2015-05-08 01:41:22 +0000 UTC]

English, you speak it?

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saharokgurfan [2015-05-07 17:50:03 +0000 UTC]

stuped american faget.

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grievousfan In reply to saharokgurfan [2015-05-08 01:08:10 +0000 UTC]

YEAH!! Free speech!

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saharokgurfan In reply to grievousfan [2015-05-08 01:09:13 +0000 UTC]

fuck free speech.

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grievousfan In reply to saharokgurfan [2015-05-08 01:16:43 +0000 UTC]

33.media.tumblr.com/bd22244a3f…

My poor, American, freedom-loving soul has been damaged!

Can you see me bleeding yet? I promise you can if you look really closely

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ceramicpony [2015-05-07 06:33:02 +0000 UTC]

The interesting thing about human nature is that violence always comes full circle. If someone does something they know will provoke death threats from a group, yes they shoulder responsibility for provoking violent people. In turn the people who threaten death because someone offended them must also accept the consequences for their willingness to kill. I believe the saying "Live by the sword, die by the sword" applies very well here. 

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BGKyouhen [2015-05-07 01:11:21 +0000 UTC]

I love the part where the Muslim community in general is against depictions of Muhammad and people draw him.  Why?  Is there /really/ anything that requires you to draw him instead of a generic Muslim?  That's just common decency in the same way that I don't go around burning crosses.  I'm not a dick and my options aren't overly limited by my refusal to do things that are going to offend people.

That and, as you said, I'm not going to do things that piss off extremists.  Just like I'm not going to jump in front of a train and expect it to stop.  That's called common sense.

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LindeDash [2015-05-06 20:58:06 +0000 UTC]

I'm from Denmark, where a news paper paid a number of artists to draw pictures of Muhammad, back in September 2005. 

On Valentines Day 2015 there was yet another terror attack where innocent people where killed. One of the targets was one of the artists back from 2005. 

Your sum up grievousfan is the same way I feel. Just because you CAN do it, doesn't mean you SHOULD

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LlamaWorshipper [2015-05-06 20:53:26 +0000 UTC]

Amen!    

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vindurza [2015-05-06 19:47:42 +0000 UTC]

free speech has started a whole mess of trouble at my branch of the college lately so I can see how it can lead to issues

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bobshmit13 [2015-05-06 08:41:30 +0000 UTC]

I agree with you. Free speech has consequences and I say unless you are trying to make a good point like Charlie was, DON'T DO IT! And as far as I can tell from the article, this rally and contest was the equivalent of a KKK rally. Compared to Charlie who was against ONLY the extremist, not all of the muslims. 

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pskullv [2015-05-06 01:01:48 +0000 UTC]

Has anyone ever tried talking to the people that are offended by these things, rather than just judging them by standards they don't adhere to?
I mean, it's called "extremism" for a reason; it's not excusable. But I do have to wonder what exactly they are thinking.

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kwendynew [2015-05-05 23:23:27 +0000 UTC]

Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.

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grievousfan In reply to kwendynew [2015-05-06 03:32:39 +0000 UTC]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8yVHQ…

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ReikuYin [2015-05-05 23:22:40 +0000 UTC]

As one that works for the media. I'm pleased to see someone tell it like it damn well is.

Just cause you can, dose NOT mean you should. I can sick my head in a microwave and turn it on. But that dose not mean I will or should.

Same applies to saying things. You can say what you like, but not always should you, not unless your willing to suffer the consequences of what you are saying, just as you put.

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Namarama [2015-05-05 22:19:34 +0000 UTC]

wow. just... wow. you got this so completely right that i have no words. just wow.

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lilminette [2015-05-05 21:58:27 +0000 UTC]

You pretty much stated what I was thinking the other night when I read this story.

My thoughts were a lot more blunt, though. More along the lines of, "There is a world of difference between exercising free speech, and being an a**hole. Any person with a hint of empathy and some common friggin' sense can tell that difference." But "throwing rocks at a hornet's nest" is a better analogy.
At times like this I already feel like an old fogie because it's like, "Damn kids raised on the internet, getting away with massive amounts of harassment that would get you called into court in the real world. In my day when you attacked someone you were called into the principal's office or were grounded for a week or lost your computer and video game privileges."

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MrSpartin [2015-05-05 21:13:43 +0000 UTC]

Well said.

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Work-Fiction [2015-05-05 20:44:37 +0000 UTC]

I say fuck it to the fullest extent. If I get my ass kicked or shot over what come out my mouth. May my last words be the most spiteful and insulting thing to ever leave my lips. Cause I don't care about the politics or the philosophy, we speak bias non-sense and we have been doing it for centuries... So why stop now?

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MythsFlight [2015-05-05 18:19:09 +0000 UTC]

You sir, deserve an award.

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Fugiri-Shi [2015-05-05 16:35:59 +0000 UTC]

*Salute*
Put down pretty much the way most people need to hear it.
Cause and Effect. It's as simple as that.

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kahas [2015-05-05 16:01:09 +0000 UTC]

You're absolutely right, that is matter of choice. One way is totally as legitimate as the other. And both deserve to be protected.
Telling people to force-choose to draw and possibly endanger their life would be ironically extremist.

+1 kudo to you, grievousfan ! (again)


We were 4 millions in streets in Paris not to defend a provocation, but to defend the fact Charlie Hebdo made a choice.
Obviously we were not 4 millions pro-drawers in there, myself I would not draw this kind of thing if it meant to endanger my life, but on the other side, why would I be afraid of dying because of a sarcastic doodle ?

It's not just about danger of death, it's about someone thinking its beliefs are better than a human's life.
That is batponyshit crazy.


That is a good example of civilization clash.

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Henfjo [2015-05-05 13:50:23 +0000 UTC]

The scary thing is that it's easy for a person to become an extremist or in lesser extent an extreme fanboy/girl of something, creating a feeling that the people or brands a person support, are superior than other brands or people. 

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Godforoth [2015-05-05 11:19:57 +0000 UTC]

Well I see your point.... Drawing Muhammad just for the sake of it isn't smart..... The guys at Charlie Hebdo where professionnals who draw him for their job, with caricatures of that persone for the illustartion of the press .....They did it to pass a message.... but I kind of see your point.... case like this happend even before Charlie.... maybe they should know or at least be lest provocative I dunno.....

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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 15:48:00 +0000 UTC]

Less provocative ? Man, that was Charlie Hebdo way of life.
Everybody in France know they are provocative towards anyone.
That's the whole point of a caricature and that is why it's something good, at least not bad.

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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 16:04:16 +0000 UTC]

Yeah... sorry...

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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 16:38:59 +0000 UTC]

Why are you sorry ?

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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:01:53 +0000 UTC]

To have upset you and say stupid things

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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 17:14:48 +0000 UTC]

Je suis en colère ?

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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:16:15 +0000 UTC]

Oh you speak French?

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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 17:17:39 +0000 UTC]

Je suis français, ça aide.

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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:19:13 +0000 UTC]

Oh! d'accord..... désolé

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kahas In reply to Godforoth [2015-05-05 17:22:18 +0000 UTC]

C'est pas un peu fini ces excuses à rallonge ?
Personne n'est énervé ou offensé, ici.

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Godforoth In reply to kahas [2015-05-05 17:27:08 +0000 UTC]

Cherche pas... j'ai une grosse manie à m'excuser beaucoup

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Fragnostic [2015-05-05 10:46:35 +0000 UTC]

Free spinach, perhaps?

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grievousfan In reply to Fragnostic [2015-05-05 19:04:34 +0000 UTC]

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Fragnostic In reply to grievousfan [2015-05-06 00:18:51 +0000 UTC]

Don't hate on the green!

Speaking of green, there's a green that will get you any kind of freedom...
It usually has dead kings or presidents on it.

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