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lol Squat-Marines compared to those fire warriors.
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Your Spiritual Dwarf is pleased.
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5im later all the Tau die from spacemarine close combat brutality
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And while everyone else look elsewhere the ultramarine sends them and their ''greater good'' to hell.
Atleast thats what i see out of this picture. Just look at the space marine whit his heavy bolter at the bottom left.XD
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I wouldn't be to sure. The Tau won both major wars against the Imperium.
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Pretty much a giant 'f*ck you' to Matt Ward, eh? I approve!
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The firepower of Tau kicks ass. Great job.
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That last ultramarine is in HtH proximity 
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This can't be... It's fiction - tau never win astartes) Even ultramarines...
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good for them ...their whole civilization is one hive fleet away from utter annihilation..but good for them
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Only in there dreams, the Tau Lost all of there third and half of there second sphere worlds by the Ultramarines
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Never underestimate the Tau. They've beaten the Imperium before.
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they lost the majority of the domise crusade, the imperium not only killed there high etherial, but burned every world and set fire literally to the domiclies gulf its self.
and now it looks like the Tau Empre is Fracturing
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And then the crusade ground to a bloody halt when the Tau lured them onto a planet far from their supply lines and pinned them down. The crusade was about to end with the Imperial forces being wiped out, until the Tyranids invaded and the Imperium would risk losing some desperately needed troops to the Tau so they agreed for a truce. The tide at that point had turned. Ever hear-"win the battle, lose the war"? Well the Imperium were just about to do the latter, rendering their earlier victories useless. Also the troops they left behind went over and joined the Tau. Then later the next war the Tau and Imperium fought its shown the Tau learned from their mistakes while the Imperium didn't. Second Agrellan Campaign, major Tau victory.
And when you think about it, the Imperium mainly scored their early victories against the Tau because of sheer numbers. The main reason the Tau typically don't engage in close quarters is to preserve their forces.
Also, the Imperium isn't also fracturing? It always looks like its going to fall apart at every turn. Whether its a chaos uprising or a rebellion against their extremely oppressive dictatorship. Reason so many humans have joined the Tau Empire? More freedoms.
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"The crusade was about to end with the Imperial forces being wiped out"
actually qute wrong if it wasent for the Tyranids those forces directed to them was going to be sent to the Tau front.
" so they agreed for a truce"
there was no "truce" imperium was dealing with the nids,while the tau was dealing with a returned ork Whaa.
" Also the troops they left behind went over and joined the Tau"
actually very few defected, in the Warzone domiclies books, the Space marines make mention of the Camasarit keeping order on the field.
"Also, the Imperium isn't also fracturing"
the size of the imperium vs the size of the tau empire are nowhere comparable.
the imperium has rebellions but are ether put down or under controlled, the Tau empire since is much smaller for them toe be fractured is a major breakdown of there society, as well with the Death of there leadership of the high etherial as well the tau people finding out there commanders lied to them about there death, is now leading to a major breakdown of the Tau empire add to the fact that rumors from GW of new tau modals that are chaos supported.
"Reason so many humans have joined the Tau Empire? More freedoms."
nope, tau polices...is the fact the tau count themselves higher than other species, as well all the humans who join the tau die due to population control.
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The Imperium were pinned down in a bloody slogh on Dal'yth. And any forces sent to reinforce them would have ended up the same. That's why the Imperium called for a truce so they could redirect their forces instead of sending more to uselessly get bogged down on Dal'yth.
I also notice you didn't respond to the Prefectia Campaign which ended in a decisive Tau victory that forced the Space Marines and Imperial Guard forces to retreat with heavy losses. Same with the Second Agrellian Campaign, which the only "victory" for the Imperium was them in revenge sending a torpedo to set the planet alight as retribution for the loss the Tau inflicted on them.
Wrong. Most of the Gue'vesa that joined the Tau armies came from those left behind in Tau space. Most defected.
That's why the Imperium is having trouble keeping itself together. It's so large. And they've just appointed a new High Ethereal. The only faction that defected from the Empire is Farsight's enclave, which is when you get down to it a small part. As for the ones who support the Chaos they are also a small fraction that got lost in the Warp.
Read again. The humans in the Tau Empire have actual religious freedoms. Many even still worship the Emperor. The Tau are higher ranked because they founded the Empire, like how the Romans founded there's. Also, how is that different from the active genocide the Imperium inflict on innocent aliens?
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actually you don't actually know that as the forces I was already there were pinned down but reinforcements will probably broke in the mouth you cannot say that because it never happened because those forces were redirected to the tyranids.
I didn't talk about those campaigns because yes many of those campaigns ended badly for the Imperium but at the same time and many other campaigns like I said in the war zone codex book The Imperium not only regain many of those lost world but we're able to actually kill off enough of the tau leadership for the tau to go on a defensive measure which eventually led to the assassination of the entire tau ethereal command.
actually again you're quite false and wrong on it again look at the war zone codex of the Tao of Gala and Cora saw, where are very few members of the Imperial Guard actually defected many of them who did defected we're already either conscripts or those who are half dead anyway many Imperial Guardsmen actually fought and died to a man.
actually know the Tao High ethereal has not been chosen, in fact the tau empire is still keeping it a secret, literly at the last chapter of the damaclies novel as well the while novel..shadowsun is disgusted on how her empire is using holograms to keep the ethereal deaths a secret.
The farsight Enclave was small in the beginning but now gotten stronger due to the fact of the assassination of the Ethereal High command as well many of the farsight enclaves were on the other side of the Damocles gulf firewall.
actually know those new chaos how do to unconfirmed information from websites like dakkadakka we're tau worlds that were lost wending warp storm consumed half the Galaxy many of the towel worlds were completely lost due to the storms as well as many of those Tau were also Pirates as the tau empire is fracturing.
actually you need to read it nowhere inside any codex do it shows that the tau actually do not have religious freedom in fact in many of the novels the tau actually look at humans who believe in a god Emperor as idiots, as well go on full tank and pains to redirect Faith from the guy that paper to the belief in the towels greater good.
the tau do genocide as well any alien species that do not follow their view of the greater good they have no problem Exterminating that's literally inside the main Tau codex and every single story dealing with the tau there belief is follow us or die
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Can you use proper grammar and spelling please?
Very unlikely. The Tau had blockaded the whole system. The forces on the ground would have been wiped out long before any Imperium reinforcements managed to break through.
Which lost worlds? Because last time I checked those worlds still belonged to the Tau Empire. And their human population has thus far stayed loyal to the Tau. The Tau have actually recovered from that, with Shadowsun taking command and new Ethereals being appointed.
And their descendants now make up a good portion of the Tau auxiliary. Not to mention the world the Tau won over through, not conquest, but diplomacy.
And now she's taken command herself.
The Tau Empire is still growing nontheless. Maybe soon enough to rival the Imperium. As for it fracturing, its too early to tell but most Tau are staying loyal.
And yet the Tau still let them worship the Emperor. You do realize a lot of these retcons came later. When Games Workshop realized the Tau were looking like the actual good guys of the Warhammer 40k universe when compared to the Imperium. So they added these additions that the Tau use population control or commit genocide because they cannot have actual good guys in the Warhammer 40k universe. This was all added later.
The Imperium genocide entire alien races for simply being alien. And any humans who don't follow the Emperor get the choice to either convert or die. Not much different from the Tau. In fact it's worse because the Tau don't care if you aren't Tau as long as you join them. But unlike the Imperium, military force is not the only thing used.
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"Imperium reinforcements managed to break through."
actually nope from the shrike book tells how the raven guard were able to make hole in the Tau defense in prep for further imperial forces but were redirected to deal with the tyrannic invasion.
"Which lost worlds? Because last time I checked those worlds still belonged to the Tau Empire"
again nope form the space marine codex, a joint venture from from both Raven guard and white scars, with leadership of the ultramarine's copy and use the same tactics of the Tau against them and were able to take back many worlds, not all but many .
"And their human population has thus far stayed loyal to the Tau."
many of there human pop are now dead or were removed, form the cain searies, when he dealt with the tau the routinely separate human population form there home world and form family's to make them more loyal to the Tau.
"The Tau have actually recovered from that, with Shadowsun taking command and new Ethereals being appointed."
they haven't
shadowsun is still on the otherside of the firewall as well the Etherials leadership was killed, so how could the dead etherials give her command when they are dead, even the last tau codex updeate make no mention of your claim.
"not conquest, but diplomacy."
nope, many of those worlds were taken by war, shirke book, shows how while the Tau were using "diplomacy" they had sent a small stealth force to weaken the defenses before the invasion, shrike and his team found out about it, and killed the forces but the damage was already done.
" The Tau Empire is still growing nontheless.Maybe soon enough to rival the Imperium. "
nope again there empire is breaking apart due to the Deaths of the High etherials, as well of shadowsun on the otherside of the firewall, as well of the Farsite enclaves fallowing there own rules, as well the Imperium controls half of the Galaxy, with the other half now on the otherside of the Warpstom that has split the galaxy in half.
"And yet the Tau still let them worship the Emperor. "
no they dont, again cypris cain, tau Routinely Remove all forms of imperial faith as well even building design are removed.
"Games Workshop realized the Tau were looking like the actual good guys of the Warhammer 40k universe when compared to the Imperium."
no they haven't, no writer or even GW as a whole believes that, or has even made mention that that idea.
" You do realize a lot of these retcons came later. "
there has been no Retcon for tau at all...there story has not been changed then was put on hold after the dolicis gulf storyline, as they are focusing on Fall of cadia and now dark imperium.
"Not much different from the Tau. In fact it's worse because the Tau don't care if you aren't Tau as long as you join them"
and if you dont join them, if you dare to like like there views..they kill you
its why the fanbase calls them space commies, they are just as bad as all the other races.
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And the Tau had a fleet blockading the system to prevent more reinforcements. Plus had reinforcements of their own waiting in the wings in case the Imperium increased their forces. It would have been a slugfest over control of one system, but both sides needed troops elsewhere.
Then how come after the Third and Fourth sphere of expansion those worlds are still in Tau space? Sources? Because I checked and the Tau still control those worlds. And added more after the Perfecta Campaign.
And how is that different from the Imperium repression? In fact the Imperium are worse since they will completely wipe out a species.
And no, the Tau still have lots of Gue'vesa auxiliaries fighting for them. Plenty more have joined, which says something about the Imperium.
Because they've recently appointed new ethereals, that's why. Those aren't the only ethereals in the caste.
Check again, most have been acts of diplomacy. The Taros campaign is a good example. The population came over willingly. The defense forces joined the Tau against the Imperium
Actually it's still holding together. If anything it looks more like Farsight will just seize power instead. And the Imperium is suffering its own fractures that may just split their Empire apart. Civil War is growing more and more likely.
Cyrus Cain seems to miss a lot of Warhammer lore that shows the Tau actually allowing religious freedom in their Empire. Mainly just to make the Tau look bad because there can be no actual good guys in Warhammer 40k.
Look again. A lot of these were retcons because of how good the Tau were looking in comparison, so they added a lot darker elements so people wouldn't think "hey, why aren't the Tau the main focus instead of the genocidal religious fanatics?"
Same with the Imperium. And if you're not human, you're just wiped out in the name of their religion. I'd rather be part of the Tau Empire than the Imperium.
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"And the Tau had a fleet blockading the system to prevent more reinforcements."
They will still fighting to control the system, it was said to be in a stalemate by the Tau codex 7 edition, was well even in the shrike book was said to be stalemate and that is official lore from the books.
"Plus had reinforcements of their own waiting in the wings in case the Imperium increased their forces."
no they did not, in codx "WarZone Damocles Supplement Kauyon"
they mention that both the tau and imperial were waiting for reinforcements as both were deadlocked.
"It would have been a slugfest over control of one system, but both sides needed troops elsewhere."
that is what happened, you just said what i said, both were in a stalemet, both were waiting for aid, both had to pull back because things happened.
"Then how come after the Third and Fourth sphere of expansion those worlds are still in Tau space?"
actualy 4th and 5th were complete failures
4th the tau by trying to copy imperial warp travel accidentally created a warp rift that had destroyed 3/4 of there forces and fleet, as well there entire non tau allies were murdered by the tau themselves.
sources:
- 1 : Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition Rulebook pg.134
- 2 : Codex: Blood Angels (8th Edition) pg.22
- 3 : Codex: Tau Empire (8th Edition) pg.22-25
- 4 : War of Secrets (Novel) Chapter 17
not only was it held back by a large death guard force that caused them to pull back there forces, that if break through and get a B-line direct to core Tau empire but Tau when encountering imperial worlds have decided to just start mass purges to the populations
sources:
1: Codex: T'au Empire (8th Edition)
- 1a : pg. 24 - New Horizons, New Dangers
- 1b : pg. 39 - March of Conquest: Battle of the Startide Nexus
"And how is that different from the Imperium repression? In fact the Imperium are worse since they will completely wipe out a species."
no different that the Tau, if you dont fallow there views they will force you at the barrel of a gun, and if you dare to think for yourself against there views they will just kill you.
"And no, the Tau still have lots of Gue'vesa auxiliaries fighting for them."
not really as the tau are now doing mass purges after the Events of the 4th and 5th expansions.
"Because they've recently appointed new ethereals, that's why. Those aren't the only ethereals in the caste."
except shadowsun cant reach them, they are on the otherside of the firewall.
"The Taros campaign is a good example. The population came over willingly. The defense forces joined the Tau against the Imperium"
except after they threatened them with extermination if they dont join willingly
"Actually it's still holding together. If anything it looks more like Farsight will just seize power instead."
except tau command dont like him because he went independent, as well is still on the otherside of the firewall
"And the Imperium is suffering its own fractures that may just split their Empire apart. Civil War is growing more and more likely."
actually nope, not only was the wider imperium still together, but now Roboute Guilliman is not lord commander of the imperium and everybody is fallowing him.
"Cyrus Cain seems to miss a lot of Warhammer lore that shows the Tau actually allowing religious freedom in their Empire."
except nowhere in Tau lore do they show that anywhere, as well he was in a town that went to Tau and was told by a remaining loyalist, they were forced to remove anything of the Emperor but as well all imperial architecture and replace it with tau.
"Look again. A lot of these were retcons because of how good the Tau were looking in comparison"
they never did a "retcon" even in early codex the tau greater good was shadowed by the fact they will force anybody to fallow there worldview.
"Mainly just to make the Tau look bad because there can be no actual good guys in Warhammer 40k."
that has been since the beginning of Tau.
"Same with the Imperium. And if you're not human, you're just wiped out in the name of their religion."
you again agree with me, Tau will kill anybody who dont fallow there views.
" I'd rather be part of the Tau Empire than the Imperium."
that is you, but you ignore the fact that the tau are just as bad as everybody else.
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They were fighting on the ground still, but they had pretty much ground the crusade to a halt and pinned down the Imperial forces. It was a stalemate because both sides called a truce. But had it kept going, the Tau would have wiped the Imperium forces out, they had the numbers.
Yes, and both had reinforcements on their way. But the Tau would have gotten there first since, you know, it's in Tau space.
Yes, but eventually the Tau would have overwhelmed the Imperials. They had the advantage in numbers plus their own ships blockading the system.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battl…
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Secon…
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Prefe…
Militarily the Tau won the wars fought during the Sphere's of Expansion against the Imperium. But they had to call them off because of internal conflicts and because they couldn't expand anymore due to their forces being exhausted. Pretty much they quit while they were ahead, and still claimed large amounts of new territory.
As for the Death Gued, they've been halted. The fighting is still ongoing but their advance has been stopped.
Better than being killed just because you aren't human.
Some of the Tau are, but other parts of the Empire still have their Gue'vesa forces. They aren't idiots you know. They know they need the numbers their auxiliaries bring.
Eventually she's going to find a way. And the Imperium is also now tearing itself apart after the Great Rift appeared. Not everyone is following Guilleman, other worlds are either leaving the Imperium outright or fallen to Chaos.
And no, the Taros campaign didn't need any threats of violence. You give way too little credit to the Tau.
They aren't going to have much of a choice because of Farsight's popularity among the general Tau populace.
They have. I gave you examples, and much of these changes came later. Before the former Imperials in Tau space could still honor the Emperor as a god as long as it didn't interfere with the Greater Good.
They will use force if diplomacy doesn't work, they are an Empire. But before then they didn't engage in purges. The original conception of the Tau Empire was a far more cosmopolitan civilization than the Imperium.
Only if they don't follow their views. Unlike the Imperium who kill you simply if you aren't human.
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your first link only talks about the ground war, and i had already said the imperial forces lost there.
second link
it goes aginst your argument that
"But had it kept going, the Tau would have wiped the Imperium forces out, they had the numbers."
as well
"Yes, but eventually the Tau would have overwhelmed the Imperials. They had the advantage in numbers plus their own ships blockading the system."
not only did the imperials take command of the sky away from the tau but was able to do a complete retreat and then glass the planet, killing a million tau force.
"Admiral Hawke performed Exterminatus on Agrellan once the evacuation was complete. Millions of Tau along with those humans left behind burned as a specialized Imperial Torpedo set the planet's gaseous northern hemisphere aflame."
as well
"The Mechanicus' purge of the space surrounding Mu'Gulath Bay had dire strategic consequences of the Tau. Their primary route to continue the Third Sphere of Expansion was now closed, forcing them to launch a New Sphere through unconventional means"
not only did the Tech-priest clear the tau from the surrounding space, but it lead to the failed 4th sphere.
third link
that again doesn't support your argument that the tau had control of the space as well could stop reinforcements ether, it told the story of Raven guard, and white scars forces against shadowsun, with tau forces in the end winning, but still no command of space or reinforcement.
"Pretty much they quit while they were ahead, and still claimed large amounts of new territory."
but they again lost many of that territory form both the planet being glassed, as well form the the firewall.
"As for the Death Gued, they've been halted. The fighting is still ongoing but their advance has been stopped."
yes, because they are right on the path to the core tau empire.
"Better than being killed just because you aren't human."
and the tau will kill you if you have independent thought.
"They aren't idiots you know. They know they need the numbers their auxiliaries bring."
but that is still showing the fact that the tau are now killing there non tau forces.
"And the Imperium is also now tearing itself apart after the Great Rift appeared. "
no its not, the galaxy is literally split in half.
"Not everyone is following Guilleman, other worlds are either leaving the Imperium outright "
no they havent, in fact population see him as the new regent and lord commander, in fact he just finished the Indomitus Crusade
that regained many worlds that was lost due to events of the gathering storm, as well of the Great Rift.
"They aren't going to have much of a choice because of Farsight's popularity among the general Tau populace."
there is no evidence of the general population likes or dislike to farsite, as well again he is still on the other side of the firewall.
"They have. I gave you examples"
no you dident, all you said, they have freedom of religion, but gave no example of where its stated,
and i gave example form the cypris cain story.
" much of these changes came later."
no they dident, there is nothing to support that claim
"They will use force if diplomacy doesn't work, they are an Empire"
you literally just admitted i was right
if you dont fallow there views, they will force you at the barrel of a gun.
"The original conception of the Tau Empire was a far more cosmopolitan civilization than the Imperium."
actually no the conception of the tau, was based on anime, in response to the rival game line "warmachines"
"Only if they don't follow their views. Unlike the Imperium who kill you simply if you aren't human."
there is no better choice there
kill you because you are not human, or kill you because you have free will.
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Then they lost the war, because it was mostly fought planetside. Didn't do well in space either.
The part about the numbers concerns the Domascles Crusade, not the Perfecta one.
That's not a victory. Did you read the whole article. The Imperium did that because they lost the battle. It was simply petty revenge on the commander's part because the Tau thrashed them so soundly.
You got the two mixed up. My earlier comment was about the Gulf Crusade, those links were about later Tau victories over the Imperium. And militarily those Sphere's were a success. They just didn't have any long term gains.
My point overall is the Tau are militarily a match for the Imperium, and have scored some really impressive victories.
They lost one planet, due the Imperium not being able to capture it by force so they cowardly nuked the planet to kill the Tau.
No they aren't. When I say their advance has been halted I mean they aren't going any further.
Not really. If you defy the Greater Good yes, but not for thinking for yourselves daily. Also it's one faction of Tau who are killing civilians, the Chaos touched ones. Not the Empire.
And what happened during that? The Imperium lost a lot of space and worlds, including one of their most important worlds Cadia(BTW the Imperium forces only escaped their due to the intervention of the Eldar, a bunch of Xenos). Now the Imperium has to launch a crusade to recapture worlds lost to Chaos. And if this is anything like the fantasy Warhammer world, they aren't going to win.
Before the rift the Tau Empire was steadily expanding despite setbacks. The Imperium actually helped them in that regard because so many aliens were afraid of the Imperium's anti-alien policies so they joined up with the Tau.
Farsight is still very popular. I suggest looking him up.
And I gave one from the actual Tau Lexicon and the wiki. Worship of the Emperor is still done among humans in the Tau Empire.warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Gu…
Yes they did. A lot of these were retcons to prevent the Tau from looking like the only good guys here.
Yes, they will use force, only if diplomacy fails. They tried opening diplomatic relations with the Tyranids for crying out loud when they first appeared.
I meant the conception of the Tau as characters, not why they were created.
I'd rather not live with a bunch of human-supremacist religious fanatics. Space communists all the way.
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And there Dreams will Become nightmares !
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I hope this was supposed to be propaganda. Because t'au are about 5' tall and Space marines about 8' tall.
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90% of 40k artwork is propaganda.
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i was looking at WWII poster while working on it but still should of made marines bigger . i just want give strength and power feel to the tau.
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As a victory poster it makes more sense.
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This is a great piece.
However, you need to take a serious look at the anatomy. For starters, Space Marines are about twice the height of a Tau Fire Warrior
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thanks and really wish i remembered how big space marines . thank for input
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pretty nice drawing i like the water color style
though the proportions are WAY off
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