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NightOwl12 [2021-08-28 17:10:51 +0000 UTC]
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DCJBeers [2020-04-24 09:20:09 +0000 UTC]
You have a talent beyond compare!
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worldpeace2 [2019-11-04 16:31:29 +0000 UTC]
Beautiful
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Moon-Shadow-1985 In reply to glimpen [2017-08-12 18:56:05 +0000 UTC]
Where to begin...?:
* They said that they would address things/goofs from the original (like Gaston falling into mud, when there's no mud to be seen around Belle's cottage), but, instead of doing that to any real degree of satisfaction, they just created whole new ones; for example:
* Why was the prince selfish in the first place? Because, after his loving mother died, he was left defenceless against a cruel father (what happened to the King (why wasn't He cursed?) wasn't revealed). Why wasn't the cruel king punished, too?
** Why did the Enchantress warn the king against his treatment of his son, and then punish the son; where's the justice!?
* Belle's father, Maurice, isn't an aspiring-inventor; he's a music box maker and something of an emotional cripple (like Moana's father ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moana_(2… ), who are suppressive of their respective daughters, trying to keep them in the village/on the island, respectively. Granted, they both (Maurice and Tui) emotionally traumatised (Maurice by his wife's death from plague back in Paris, and convinced that the countryside is safer; and Tui by the death of his best friend when they tried sailing past the reef that separates a lagoon from the open ocean), but their essentially making demands of their daughters without, really, giving a good reason as to why.
* While Maurice isn't the inventor, Belle is shown, early in the story, to have knack for building 'labour-saving devices' (donkey/horse-powered washing machine/barrel), which then doesn't get mentioned again in the story (so, what was the point). In material/interviews released in anticipation for the release, E. Watson's practically bragging how they'd taken Maurice's disposition for inventing and had given to Belle under the pretence and superficial impression of 'empowering her'. Belle's being taken more-&-more away from the educated, genteel-raised girl/young woman from the original fairytale .
** I also don't like that they're taking Belle further and further away from the extensively-educated and accomplished genteel young lady from the original fairytale; these days, they just seem to throw around the description "feisty young woman" around, 'till it loses all meaning, like a broken record.
* Can one, who'd seen the 1991 film, actually see an egotistical narcissist, the likes of Gaston, consenting to join the army from the bottom dregs and take orders from others... ...More likely, I think, that he'd just stole a uniform and lied about his exploits...
** "There was originally talk of a sequel, where Gaston had a younger brother, named "Avenant" (named as a nod to Belle's unwanted suitor from French poet and filmmaker, Jean Cocteau's, 1946 adaptation of "Beauty and the Beast"), who would seek revenge for his brother's demise (and establish himself as superior to Gaston (their late-father's favourite), and finally stepping out of his shadow, once and for all); this idea was, instead, recycled for the "The Little Mermaid" sequel, "The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea", with Morgana, sister to the late Ursula, claiming to be seeking revenge for Ursula's death, but really wanted to succeed where Ursula (their mother's favourite daughter), had failed."
** While Gaston, the firstborn son inherits the family tavern, 'Avenant' a/the younger son could have gone off to seek his fortunes and joined the army as a grunt; that is more believable, and has precedents; janeausten.wikia.com/wiki/Colo… & www.pemberley.com/janeinfo/ppd… . Younger sons either went into the clergy, law, or the army. This would have made for a good/decent idea for a sequel for the 1991 film, if Gaston had a younger brother (or brothers (it could have been called "Beauty and the Beasts"); I mentioned in a conversation, here ( morloth88.deviantart.com/art/W… ), with Morloth88 ( morloth88.deviantart.com/ ) and Darkwater-Lady ( darkwater-lady.deviantart.com/ ), see what you think, and, please, let me know what your thoughts are about it).
* While the film brings back the sub-plot of Belle asking a father for a rose, and then the Beast imprisoning Maurice for taking a rose without permission, and then gives Belle the chance to take her father's place, the Beast then become dismissive of Belle because she's "the daughter of a Thief" (but when she refuses to have dinner with him, he throws a temper tantrum and declares "if she doesn't eat with me, then she doesn't eat at all", conveniently forgetting that he'd initially dismissed Belle as a dining partner in the first place). It's like they tried to slam plotline from the original fairytale and the original film together and just expected it to work.
The whole way that the Belle and the Prince/Beast felt more forced, like they were set-up all along; herded together. It just doesn't feel right. Maybe, years from now, they'll do another remake, and, maybe, this time, they'll get it Right.
What do you think?
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Moon-Shadow-1985 In reply to moonlitinuyasha1985 [2018-05-30 14:33:14 +0000 UTC]
Other ideas:
* Well; in the original fairytale (or, at least Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont's and Andrew Lang's respective shortenings ( www.pitt.edu/~dash/beauty.html & www.sacred-texts.com/neu/lfb/b… ) of Gabrielle-Suzanne Barbot de Villeneuve's original work ( www.amazon.co.uk/Madame-Villen… )), Belle had either 2 or 5 older sisters (Belle/Beauty being the youngest of either 6 or 12 siblings (the children, 3/6 sons and 3/6 daughters, of a now-widowed Gentleman-Merchant)), who are cruel to her (just like Cinderella's step-sisters), while in the Disney film, Belle is an only child; what if, for a sequel, Belle had cousins, who (like the cruel older sisters from the "B&tB" fairytale) were unpleasant and antagonistic towards her.
* Alternately, they could just be the daughters of other members of the Ton/High-Society (unrelated to Belle at all): In the original fairytale, when the family was wealthy, they were highly sought-out as people to be publically associated with (even willing to 'befriend' the elder daughters/sisters), but, when Belle's/Beauty's father lost his fortune, they couldn't seem to able to drop their acquaintance with the family fast-enough (rather like what happened in Hans Christian Anderson's "The Tinderbox" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tind… ))--(though many wealthy bachelors were still interested in marrying Belle/Beauty reguardless of her lost dowry). The could have pretended to have befriended her, only to turn on her when her father lost his fortune. The whole 'hansome/pretty exterior hides an ugly interior' metaphor could be futher explored, now that Prince Adam (formally 'the Beast') now knows and understands the difference between virtue and inner-beauty, and one's mere outer-beauty, as they try to lure him away from Belle. Likewise, rival suitors for Belle, this time in the capital city and the royal court, could also be explored.
* Also, there was originally talk of a sequel for the 1991 Disney film ( disney.wikia.com/wiki/Gaston#T… ), where Gaston had a younger brother, Avenant (named as a nod to Belle's unwanted suitor from French poet and filmmaker, Jean Cocteau's, 1946 adaptation of "Beauty and the Beast"), who would seek revenge for his brother's demise (and establish himself as superior to Gaston, stepping out of his shadow, once and for all); this idea was, instead, recycled for the "The Little Mermaid" sequel, "The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea" ( disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Litt… ), with Morgana, sister to the late Ursula, claiming to be seeking revenge for Ursula's death, but really wanted to succeed where Ursula (their mother's favourite daughter), had failed. Already Mentioned.
* An alternative idea could be if Gaston'd had a rival, arguably smarter then Gaston (a nod to Belle's/Beauty's sisters' husbands from Jeanne-Marie Leprince de Beaumont's version of the B&tB story ( www.pitt.edu/~dash/beauty.html ); "[Belle's/Beauty's father] sent [for] her sisters, who hastened thither with their husbands. They were both of them very unhappy. The eldest had married a gentleman, extremely handsome indeed, but so fond of his own person, that he was full of nothing but his own dear self, and neglected his wife. The second had married a man of wit, but he only made use of it to plague and torment everybody, and his wife most of all"), from a neighbouring village, who was looking to extend his influence into Gaston's village and take-over, and then setting his sights on claiming the 'trophy wife' Gaston had failed to attain.
What do you think?
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Moon-Shadow-1985 In reply to moonlitinuyasha1985 [2018-05-30 15:11:38 +0000 UTC]
Not all of it.
I re-mentioned the point about 'brother of Gaston' idea again as it was one of the valid idea.
And then elaborating on other ideas of prospective sequels.
'Wish I could contact the producers/directors of the 1991 film with all these ideas.
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moonlitinuyasha1985 In reply to Moon-Shadow-1985 [2018-05-30 15:42:32 +0000 UTC]
Hmm...I'd use the same animation from the first film, have everyone stay in-character, etc.
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