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Erik-the-Okapi [2020-02-02 08:06:15 +0000 UTC]
I can see why AYA wouldn't take place in MML
Doof's building was destroyed in "The Phineas and Ferb Effect"; can't be built that quickly in 10 years.
Also, according to "The Best Lazy Day Ever", the show takes place in 2008, while Milo Murphy's Law takes place in 2016. Basically, the PnF characters didn't age in the crossover.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to Erik-the-Okapi [2020-02-03 04:47:30 +0000 UTC]
Mind you, I'm starting to doubt that more and more - I don't know why AYA specifically WOULDN'T share the timeline and what that could possibly mean if it doesn't.
True, but though they do take time to show that it is definitely taking time for DEI to be destroyed (which is as BIG of a crime as destroying Phineas and Ferb's tree, OWCA FILES), cartoon logic dictates that it probably won't take 10 years. I highly doubt Dan and Swampy would subject the Murphy family with dealing with Doofenshmirtz leeching off of them for that long, anyway.
Hm...I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate? MML clearly takes place right after the Summer of Phineas and Ferb; this fact is based on a simple fact told to us in MML in the episode "Murphy's Lard", where Melissa reveals that she has a fear of rollercoasters due to one falling on top of her science project that she was working on, and I quote from HER specifically, "last Summer". She didn't say "it was on a Summer day eight years ago", she specifically says "last Summer", as in the Summer that occurred right before the events of "Murphy's Lard or even the first MML episode. If that wasn't enough, the rollercoaster that destroyed her science project was in fact the rollercoaster Phineas and Ferb built that was carried away in the very first episode.
So, no. MML doesn't actually take place in 2016. And since Dan and Swampy both confirmed that all the Summer episodes of PnF take place over the course of one Summer and not multiple, I think it's safe to say that both shows take place in the same year.
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Erik-the-Okapi In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2020-02-03 05:03:16 +0000 UTC]
Okay, I actually forgot about the Rollercoaster incident Melissa had; I haven't MML since the Season 2 finale.
Also, I still haven't seen "The OWCA Files" yet (somehow), so IDK if that's a spoiler for me.... I didn't even know that was a thing until after Milo Murphy's Law premiered.
I did remember this: in "Doof 101" (P&F), he had a job as a teacher, but in "Doof's Day Off" (MML), he has no job; what the heck happened there?
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Sharper-The-Writer [2019-03-02 14:25:04 +0000 UTC]
Everett has a nasty handmark on his cheek after that?
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IEPH [2019-02-24 12:00:40 +0000 UTC]
Well, I'm a hardcore Phinabella shipper, so the idea that AYA might be a little less canon is a bit concerning (at least eye-raising). That said, I can actually do without Ferbnessa though (I think Amanda is a far superior match for him, but that's my opinion).
Speaking of Amanda, I sent a message with some more InA-related requests. I was wondering ofc if you've taken a gander at it.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to IEPH [2019-02-24 23:59:49 +0000 UTC]
The good thing about this is that AYA seems to be a "take it or leave it" story - it's not that Phinabella isn't canon, it's that that episode isn't. So we can always just create our own stories about how Phineas and Isabella got together, or take AYA as it is. The point is that there's a choice, and I think that's awesome.
Oh yeah! I'm totally for doing that for you. :3
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IEPH In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-28 00:24:58 +0000 UTC]
Well, I can honestly see that, and thanks for helping with those requests.
But hey, it leads me to another question, not about AYA but about "Last Day of Summer". It leads me to wonder, during the part where Phineas and Ferb disappear to the void (thanks to the Do-Over-Inator), what might have happened if it was Isabella (instead of Candace) who remembers the duo while everyone else forgot?
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to IEPH [2019-02-28 06:33:27 +0000 UTC]
No problem. :3
...I've never actually thought about that before, and I frigging LOVE that idea.Β Β
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IEPH In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-03-01 00:32:39 +0000 UTC]
Well, that's a potential idea for a drawing or two. Glad I got your creative juices flowin'.
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AmethystDawn117 [2019-02-24 10:51:44 +0000 UTC]
I'd say my only criticism is about the phrasing of the statement that Isabella was being "disloyal" when she was dating Everett while a part of her still had feelings for Phineas. From her view (based on what I understand of this story/timeline) that relationship was going nowhere romantically, so she gave up on pursuing it and decided to force herself to move on from what appeared to be a dead end. Tragic as it might be because of their unrealized mutual affection, it's really not disloyalty on her part in any form, since in her mind there was nothing there to be loyal to. At worst, this iteration of Isabella seems to have been lying to herself in thinking that she could move on from Phineas.
But, that's just my two cents. I might have misread.Β Β
And do I spot a note taken from one of our past conversations in that AYA side note, or am I just being conceited?Β Β
Also, I find it interesting that AYA can now, as far as canon is concerned, be referred to by the title of its song: "What Might Have Been." That is an almost unnerving coincidence, almost like it was... planned.... all..... along....?Β Β
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to AmethystDawn117 [2019-02-25 00:11:36 +0000 UTC]
To explain this:
One, Isabella is referring to her relationship with Everett; she felt it was unfair to pursue a relationship with him while she still had feelings for Phineas, since Everett was actually a pretty nice guy (sans the idiot cheating on her).
Two, Isabella only feels like she was disloyal. Kinda like how PhineasΒ felt like he made Isabella feel miserable when he was thinking back during the song "What Might Have Been", when really Isabella rarely actually showed any signs of feeling miserable whenever Phineas ignored her. She was mostly frustrated, but she overall enjoyed spending time with Phineas. Therefore, Phineas' "flashbacks" involving Isabella progressively getting more and more saddened must have been from his own imagination.
So the same applies here - Isabella feels like she deserves to be cheated on because she couldn't move on from Phineas entirely, when really her feelings were totally normal and that Everett was actually feeling something similar. Though she and Everett got along fine, they just didn't...click.
And yes, you DO in fact see parts of our past conversations regarding AYA in there; it's likely that I brought this stuff up to you in the past.Β Β Possibly multiple times...hehe... Β
OH MY GOSH! DID THEY SERIOUSLY?! OH MY GOSH!Β Β That is EXACTLY what this is! He even said that's how it always was! OMG!Β Β
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AmethystDawn117 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-25 02:40:19 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I see. For some reason it didn't click that the presentation was from Isabella's perspective. Carry on. Β
Well, yes, there's that. I also thought I've been noticing you using the phrase "soft canon" a little more than before.Β Β
Those clever little buggersΒ Β
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to AmethystDawn117 [2019-02-25 06:26:54 +0000 UTC]
Nah, don't be like that. XD That just means that I need to work on being clearer.
Yes. I like the term a lot. Thank you for teaching me this phrase. XD
Dan and Swampy are amazing! XD
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AmethystDawn117 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-25 06:35:14 +0000 UTC]
Maybe, but I have a bad habit of not paying as much attention to things as I should. XD
Anytime. XD
It's that level of subtle detail I aspire to be capable of someday.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to AmethystDawn117 [2019-03-01 04:13:33 +0000 UTC]
I have a habit of not understanding things even though it's totally obvious. XD
Same here. XD
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AmethystDawn117 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-03-01 04:32:03 +0000 UTC]
I hear you there. From what I've observed, is seems to be life from 14-27 in a nutshell, in all generations. XD
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aalberts36 [2019-02-24 08:31:10 +0000 UTC]
Did it have to be cheating? Β That's just about the worst thing a guy could do.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-24 08:50:42 +0000 UTC]
Thats just about the worst thing ANYONE could do. Guy or girl. If its messed up for one person, its messed up for EVERYBODY.
But that was my personal challenge as a person who puts loyalty at a high pedestal - create a likable character who makes this mistake. Everett is a flawed individual, but he isnt malicious. Hes confuses if anything, although the path laid out for him likely will not end well should he continue to tread deeper. But that doesnt mean his actions dont hurt people, and Isabella is testament to that. Its also a story point that I will not be changing. It feels right for this story / headcanon.
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aalberts36 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-24 10:34:48 +0000 UTC]
People cheat for a variety of reasons.Β What was Everret's?Β Or did you already put that down somewhere else?
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-24 18:08:00 +0000 UTC]
He felt...trapped. He liked Isabella, and to him she was perfect - got good grades, led their school government, was a soccer goddess...and yet he didnt LOVE her. She was a very good friend, one of his best friends even, but he never could see her as more than that, as hard as he tried. He was expected to, because in the words of his parents, they were perfect together. It added a lot of pressure along with the other stuff he had to deal with. He was living in a strict, religious home that expected him to act righteously twenty four seven along with proving to be a studious goldmine. He was never allowed to make a single mistake.
He needed to escape. Just for a moment, a moment where he could vent his feelings...and thats where he met Mara, who was the WORST person to vent these feelings to. Oh, she understood how he was feeling, she was definitely empathetic, but her answer to those feelings was that he needed to push back - not just accept his darker half and work through it, but allow it to consume him entirely. She convinced him, albeit out of love, that Everett needed to β break free from Isabella β.
Which, in a way, she was right. They both needed to be honest with themselves - their relationship was meant to be platonic and nothing more.
Instead of doing that, Everett ends up sleeping with Mara, and the two have a thrilling, secret relationship for about a month. During which Everett feels like scum and doesnt even come to Isabellas Quincenera. During which Ferb notices the signs, and investigates. And before Everett can finally be open to Isabella, hes found himself in another cage. Maras cage.
Hes found out by Ferb, who forces him to tell Isabella.
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aalberts36 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-24 21:22:46 +0000 UTC]
Perfection can itself be imperfect, and can sometimes be a curse, rather than a blessing.Β It is not necessarily bad to have flaws, nor can you help it, so embrace them.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-25 04:08:15 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. Everett's story is a cautionary tale of this, in fact.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-25 08:20:47 +0000 UTC]
They were generally...shocked. Had a sort of β where did we go wrong β spiel.
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aalberts36 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-25 08:37:42 +0000 UTC]
I'd tell them it was their obsession with having a perfect child that's where they went wrong, but will they listen?
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-25 16:26:23 +0000 UTC]
That would probably be left up to interpretation.
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-25 21:37:39 +0000 UTC]
Very true, though I probably won't go into detail of what exactly HAPPENS to Everett, since his story isn't really as important in "Worth the Wait" as Isabella and Phineas'. If I do ever bring up Everett's fate, it'll be kinda brief. But needless to say, I don't think it'll have a happy ending.
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aalberts36 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-25 22:29:34 +0000 UTC]
So, it's an 'it happened, it's over, let's move on with our lives' sort of thing?
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Galaxina-the-Magi In reply to aalberts36 [2019-02-26 01:14:28 +0000 UTC]
Not exactly. Its definitely insignificant enough to not know the outcome of, but it is important to Isabellas part of the story. So in a sense its that, but it also played a key part.
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aalberts36 In reply to Galaxina-the-Magi [2019-02-26 07:44:12 +0000 UTC]
It's character defining, but plays only a small role in the story.
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