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Published: 2019-01-19 09:12:04 +0000 UTC; Views: 1994; Favourites: 37; Downloads: 0
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Description Empress Sanga of the Phenat deserts pondering on what to do with a criminal. The criminal isn’t allowed to be brought into her throne room of course, but the subject is brought to the foot of the ascending steps facing her throne where they are made to prostrate themselves. The empress acts as supreme judge, especially for those of higher class in the empire who are accused, or subjects of her sacred palace. Commoners in the city are usually dealt with as local guards and governors see fit. So whenever anyone, including any of the said governors or esteemed guards, is brought to her with charges, it’s a big deal.

Sanga isn’t without a sense of due justice, but that justice is pragmatic. Her word is always final; if she deems her sentence proper, she’ll have no mortal mouth trying to convince her otherwise with any pleas. In an era of civilization when people respect great power above all else, Sanga upholds a tight grip on her rulership and wastes no time growing the strength and might of her empire.
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MetronZ30 [2019-03-05 01:57:03 +0000 UTC]

Metron: hmm should I execute you~*holds a foam axe and winks at Sanga while sticking her tougue out giggling and of course pretending

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Aristodes [2019-01-21 06:51:49 +0000 UTC]

I edited my comment. Can we put this behind us now?

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:02:33 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:04:08 +0000 UTC]

You are welcome.

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Aristodes [2019-01-20 11:27:04 +0000 UTC]

She ought to be replaced with someone who takes justice seriously, not lounging around during the application of the law. For a life-or-death situation, she is clearly not taking this seriously. The only reason anyone puts up with her bad behavior is that she's attractive. They would never tolerate that from a male. If this were a fat old king lounging around during a life-or-death trial, everyone would call him a tyrant, and if attractive, they'd compare his behavior to Caligula, Nero, or Commodus.


Right now, she's looking like a furry female Nero. I wouldn't trust her to decide the life of an ant.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:05:15 +0000 UTC]

Neither would. And yes she fits the Caligula, Nero and such type, well. Her character was largely inspired from those types.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:11:30 +0000 UTC]

I see that most of the people who post about her give her a free pass. Because- and I'm just being honest here- because she's sexy. Really, if she were ugly and/or had violent expressions on her face, she wouldn't be treated as nicely. It should be noted that all three of those tyrants died a horrible death.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:43:13 +0000 UTC]

I get ya. And yes, that is all true

The story, from what I've shared, is intended to be written as darkly humorous, especially with the politics and Sanga's rulership. The politics in the story I never intend to be taken seriously, and I admit I'm no political guru anyway (as no doubt I've demonstrated ) But yeah, she has some good qualities, but many bad qualities, but all of these I'm trying to move in the direction of artistic fascination, the same way one might be fascinated by Nero or Caligula or such. That, and/or a dark adventure comedy sort of deal. It's not that I intend anyone to delight in her cruelty in any serious way. My goal is intended to be artistic and imaginary fascination with her as the 'beautiful but tyrannical' type, with a bit if outrageousness.

I guess how successful I am with that will be a learning process.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:47:18 +0000 UTC]

That's definitely like Nero. That won't end well for her. Never does. Still, I suspect she has a long, wild ride ahead of her before she goes too far and ends up stabbed or strangled or something. Again, I'm not saying it is immoral to make a character like that (I have worse), but she isn't a character worthy of admiration. No matter how pretty she is. Or how alluring her affairs are. 


Good job on the eyes, though.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 08:01:29 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, she does indeed have a long wild ride still per the story. And she’ll leave a dark legacy at best, but I intend to throw some light in there toward the end. Won’t change her overall legacy in the setting though but yeah. Think Darth Vader, I guess (if Darth Vader was a sexy lady XD )

Yeah, I don’t like to admire her for her bad qualities. The story, as I intend it to read, is darkly and outrageous comical. And I haven’t been very wise with my definitions, either, of course. If I’ve stated or implied admiration for them it’s meant to be darkly comedical thus, not serious, or me using the wrong terminology to describe what I mean.

Maybe my thoughts have also still a bit disorganized too throughout my gallery of her the supporting characters, as I’m still developing this story too and I decide what becomes final about her and the setting. I dunno.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 08:06:12 +0000 UTC]

She has a son who helps redeem her in the end and she dies of electrocution onboard the second iteration of a planet-destroying superweapon?

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 08:12:54 +0000 UTC]



Oh my gosh, I'm increasingly tempted to draw her in some sense alluding to Darth Vader! Just for fun at least.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 08:14:00 +0000 UTC]

Just don't cut off her arms and legs, then burn her alive in a lava-fueled fire. Even I think that would be cruel.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 08:16:19 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I'm with ya.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 06:22:49 +0000 UTC]

Please rephrase the above comment. I’ll allow you to do this once. I understand you feel very strongly about what you perceive about this character, but the way it reads, you imply that a male takes justice more seriously than a female. That may or may not be what you believe or what you intended to say, but your comment reads that way to me.

Suppose, though, the male was really good-looking (to this matriarchal society in this story) but took justice just as carelessly as you believe she does?

To elucidate, kindly, in accordance with what I said in the description, she does have a sense of justice; she is not a careless ruler, but her sense of justice is pragmatic and she does deal it hard, but within reason as is generally acceptable by this civilization in the circumstances they live in. To clarify those circumstances, the characters in this fictional world live in a very partuclair society where they don’t understand the liberties of democracy and they wouldn’t know how to conduct themselves in such a government.

A male ruler in this society would uphold the same principles as she does, regardless of how attractive he is, and a female who for instance isn’t considered the most attractive would do likewise, because the way these people conduct themselves is very rooted in their social sciences. As far as the characters can know from a social sciences standpoint how to live happily, they are happy living this way.

Consider what our studies in history tell us from what we have observed about the idea of Manifest Destiny: you can’t make another nation conform to democracy or what you perceive is a better way of life for them if they don’t know how to accept it.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 06:29:36 +0000 UTC]

That was not my intention, and I admit it was not phrased as well as I could have written. I can rewrite it.


Normally, I would criticize the fact that said society is matriarchal, but it is fictional and more to the point, it is not my made-up society to write.


Just because a group doesn't understand something doesn't mean they shouldn't change their ways. Some ways are better than others. Culture doesn't justify anything. Culture is nothing more than a large number of choices made by a group of people, and a choice is rarely self-justified. Plus, people being happy under an unjust regime doesn't make the regime any more just.


As someone with a Masters degree in government and politics, I can tell you that you are wrong about that last bit, though. A country can and sometimes should make other nations conform to democracy. It doesn't work all of the time, but it has been shown to work before. Japan, Germany, Italy, and several other countries were forcibly democratized following World War 2, all to great effect. Not to mention, Manifest Destiny worked out great for the US in the end. 50 states, world's largest economy, ports on three oceans, many of the world's largest cities, etc.


Still, I will rewrite the comment. No problem.


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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 06:57:38 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for doing so, and those points are enlightening.

I never meant to imply, though, that this fictional culture shouldnt change their ways or that their ways are justified. I only meant to say that it is the way it is now as part of this story's setting.

About the last point, I know historically it has worked before, as you say. I was only refering to the examples of when it hasnt worked, as a demonstration that it has been the case before as we have obsversed. I only meant to say, and I clarify: as long as a people refuse to accept a new way of life, even if it may be better for them, you cannot force them to live that way. When I say 'cant' I'm referring to the practical sense. I do not refer the ethical sense (in other words, the it's-wrong-to-try-sense).

Regardless, I'm sure we agree mutually it's off on a tangeant. I probably got a little carried away.

Once again, thank you.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 06:58:39 +0000 UTC]

You are welcome. It's still a well-drawn picture, don't get me wrong.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:03:00 +0000 UTC]

Thank you.

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Gralegio In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-20 13:56:49 +0000 UTC]

This is extremely inappropriate and uncalled for.

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Aristodes In reply to Gralegio [2019-01-21 01:22:29 +0000 UTC]

I might have phrased that a bit too harshly. What I meant was that this character is pretty loathsome and she only gets away with it because she is female and attractive.

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Aristodes In reply to Gralegio [2019-01-20 20:35:04 +0000 UTC]

It's a fictional character, not a real person. Rest assured, I would never say that about a real woman. We don't have rulers like that anymore, apart from maybe the Kims in North Korea. And they're all men.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 06:28:50 +0000 UTC]

Gralegio and I both know this is a fictional character; that’s not what this is about though. If you you would never say this about a real woman, I suggest you say this sooner in the first comment. Thank you.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 06:31:13 +0000 UTC]

I wrote that in later. Again, this is a fictional character. For example, few people would wish death on a real person, but we wish fictional characters to die all the time, often in horrible ways. We can do that without any guilt whatsoever because it is all made up.

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Aristodes In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-20 20:40:24 +0000 UTC]

I can dislike a character. It's all made up anyway.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 06:27:09 +0000 UTC]

Kindly, I feel this has less to do with you disliking the character and more of the the way your comment reads. You’re free to dislike my character in context — but make sure you understand the context any of my characters live in first without assumptions. I’ll politely clarify otherwise, and even you’re free to dislike the character. I admit she’s not fully likable as a person for myself either if she were real.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 06:37:46 +0000 UTC]

Context is important in many situations, but cultural context carries little weight. Abuse, arbitrary application of the law, absolute rule, oppressive taxation, slavery, discrimination, and many other possible misdeeds on the part of a government are never justified by the country's culture or customs. "It's just their culture" is a very flimsy excuse.


To be fair, I often have my dracons do things that are just as bad if not worse than anything you have in your setting, but I never pretend for an instant that these things in my setting are in any way justified. They are presented as serious flaws and are recognized as such by my more enlightened characters.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:02:13 +0000 UTC]

I dont pretend they are justified either. I am only saying that's the way this setting is in this story. Just as it is in yours. It's how the people know to live in this setting. That's all I've ever intended to say.

Kindly, may I ask where I've indicated that I say its justified? Perhaps I can in turn rephrase it. Thank you.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:09:48 +0000 UTC]

There are many instances across other mentions of this character, but connecting an absolute word of a single ruler as the final judge with "progress" is disingenuous. This is why high-level courts are made up of tribunals, not individuals. To take a modern example, the US Supreme Court has nine justices, and not a single one of them outweighs the others, not even the chief justice. Now, I'm not saying that you can't have her be the sole and final arbiter of justice, but don't think to call it progress, or that any ruling from a single person, no matter how serious they take the matter, is anything but an exercise in tyranny. Rule of law isn't something one messes around with. The Bible has kings be held to account by prophets, for example, indicating that the idea that no one, not even the king, is above the law is an ancient one indeed.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:23:58 +0000 UTC]

I see what youre saying. Thank you. Yes those ideas are ancient, I know. In this setting, these people live as I've stated, and once again I do not mean imply that it's right that they live that way, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

I think I see where this might all be stemming from-- and it's my error, I admit: when I say progress, I've meant from a practical power-building resource collecting standpoint, not an ethical one. I'll start using a more appropriate term though. Ive seen the word 'progress' is used a lot in the latter sense, and I suppose it shouldnt come as a surprise to me that it will be taken that way. Quite poor term on my part.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:28:24 +0000 UTC]

It's okay. We both misphrase things sometimes. I don't pretend to be perfect. I will say that "progress" is a loaded word these days. Has been for a long time, come to think of it. It's one of those nice-sounding words which people have used to justify pretty much anything.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 07:46:05 +0000 UTC]

Thanks.

And yeah, that sounds like a good observation. I should really get myself out-there more.

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Aristodes In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 07:48:29 +0000 UTC]

It's fine. This was never meant as a criticism of your personality or life or anything.

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Ferroth In reply to Aristodes [2019-01-21 08:04:55 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. And no probs.

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MercenaryBlade [2019-01-20 05:47:09 +0000 UTC]

Love her expression as she decides on the fate. 

Always great to see Sanga 

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Ferroth In reply to MercenaryBlade [2019-01-20 08:42:32 +0000 UTC]

Thank you Mercenaryblade! I wanted to demonstrate that scrutinizing, pragmatic look, so I'm happy to hear it works.

I'm glad

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MyntyPaws [2019-01-20 04:06:39 +0000 UTC]

"Humm... stole a sweet roll stand hummmm?" She purrs, her fingers gently tapping on her hip, the gold adorning her body shimmering in the light like the garments of a goddess. 



I love her smirk, Sanga is so beautiful but she looks her best when she's all evil and stuff. >w> 

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Ferroth In reply to MyntyPaws [2019-01-20 08:40:06 +0000 UTC]

^^ Aw, I always enjoy your writing adaptations in your comments. They're always a delightful treat.

I rather agree about the smirk. She is conveyed as a mesmerizing desert beauty, but for some reason her beauty is emphasized when she's cold, at least that's what I feel. Couldnt say why.

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SonikkuLover-99 [2019-01-20 02:03:53 +0000 UTC]

Oh, and you put her in the "Paint me like one your french girls" pose on purpose didn't ya XD

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Ferroth In reply to SonikkuLover-99 [2019-01-20 08:28:56 +0000 UTC]

XD I wont deny she looks like she's in such a pose. Maybe the imperial artist should give it a try?

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SonikkuLover-99 In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-20 16:09:48 +0000 UTC]

Wonder what they would get in return... like me for example

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Ferroth In reply to SonikkuLover-99 [2019-01-21 05:40:44 +0000 UTC]

Hehe, yeah

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SonikkuLover-99 In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 05:46:29 +0000 UTC]

Do I get teh cute belly? X.3

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Fail-Seeker [2019-01-19 23:34:07 +0000 UTC]

Purrfect!

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Ferroth In reply to Fail-Seeker [2019-01-20 08:25:13 +0000 UTC]

glad you like!

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kingdragon01 [2019-01-19 20:41:22 +0000 UTC]

Kinda like my character!

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Ferroth In reply to kingdragon01 [2019-01-20 08:24:39 +0000 UTC]

Oh yeah. I think I remember you telling me.

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kingdragon01 In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-20 16:22:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I'm actually writing a new chapter where he orders executions!

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Ferroth In reply to kingdragon01 [2019-01-21 02:30:56 +0000 UTC]

I wish you luck!

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kingdragon01 In reply to Ferroth [2019-01-21 02:34:34 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, but now I'm taking a break from writing and making floor plans of my dream house!

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