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Gaza Demonstration
Published: 2009-01-18 16:11:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 5787; Favourites: 102; Downloads: 90
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Orthodox Jews at the anti-Isreali violence demonstration in Trafalgar Square, London.--
Thanks go to @leaf-lover for selecting this for a DD
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I, as a Jew, personally just wish everybody could co-exist inside Israel. Too bad people just can't get along.
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indeed :/ my people.. there kinda the same
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Those, my friend, are Haredim, ultra-ultra Orthodox, super right-wing Jews who believe that we are forcing G-d's hand by creating a state before Mashiach (the Messiah) comes. They want Israel to be destryoed, so that when Mashiach comes, he will create Israel-- and then kill off the Arabs. Let me assure you, they're not your supporters by any means.
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That is a fascinating comment.
Like those Brits who protested against the careless deaths of innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Muslims who hate the abomination ISIS, it is good to see Jews who are against unacceptable deaths. As shown, their plaque reads' stop the genocide in gaza'.
As your quotation says: 'what is hateful.. do not do to your fellow' Β Rabbi Hillel
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hey, sorry i wanted to send this as a private message but didnt know how to. lol but i was wondering if you could give me permission to use this image on an information board at my university (U of Waterloo) for Israeli Apartheid Week. I am a member of Students for Palestinian Rights and i think this image would really help spread our message. I would, of course, give you credit for the image- attach you D.A. address. let me know, if not thats okay too. thank for your time!!
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oh! that's so lovely to see orthodox Jews against their government.
your photos blows up all the stupid, but most of the time unavoydable, clichΓ©s towards groups of people, here about "extreme" Jews.
No, of course, those people who are deep involved in their religion-which-makes-their-country, are not all of them so fond of their country government.
hope you understand me, it may be a bit confused.
anyway, thank you to share that photo!!
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Don't worry, it makes sense! Thank you
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I like it, it has that old school look about it, with the faded color and the grain it looks very good mate, infact I would say looks pre WW2
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Peace Propaganda & the Promised Land
A documentary available online at this website: [link]
No download is necessary.
It will help give many people some background info that let do this picture.
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Great photo, and truly speaks volumes on the courage of these Jewish people who are ready to denounce the brutal acts of Zionists in Israel. I pray that even more Jewish people speak up on this issue to tell the world that Israel's actions are against the very teachings of Judaism.
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This is, to me, a defining picture of one of the worst atrocities of the 21st century. I can see people in the future viewing this and remembering something that should never be forgotten because of it. Great shot.
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Some photos look absolutely terrible with grain. This is not one of them. I think it adds on to it.
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I don't understand why everyone is against Israel. Hamas attacked Israel first, and Israel is just supposed to wait patiently while their people are killed??
I have to say though, that I don't agree with the bombings in Palestinian villages. Hamas doesn't mind how many innocents are killed, so Israel's attacks are more harmful than helpful. Overall, nice photo, I just don't agree completely with the message behind it.
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It's one thing to react to being attacked. It is quite another to bomb schools and UN buildings and to murder children.
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Hi there ..
If i came to ur home and i took a room of ur home then i started to move to the other room, wat will u do ? ... Am sure u will defend ur home cause thats ur right to defend so we defend our land with stones and i will not call it rockets its firework.
How many israeli killed 6,8,10 lets say 20 in other side 1400 killed and 5300 ingured 40% of them children and women, So do u think this is the right way for u to avoid my stones and fireworks ????
Thanx 4 ur time Lizz ..
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I appreciate the response, however I must ask you to spell check before you submit, as the errors are detracting. Actually, I don't understand many of your points.
Now, for some real statistics:
"Since 2000, nearly 1,200 people have been killed and more than 8,000 have been wounded by Palestinian violence. Since Israel withdrew completely in 2005, more than 6,300 rockets and mortars have been fired at it from Gaza. Hamas ended the prior cease-fire unilaterally and it is far from clear that its leaders intend to honor this one. "
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Have a good day
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As long as u concentrating on my miss spelling and forget about the main subject ...
All i can say to you is NO COMMENT.
Thanx 4 ur time
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and you concentrate on avoiding the statistics that he gave you.
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I cant answer you, as she mentioned b4 i have many miss spelling ..
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Everyone is against Israel's leaders and how they choose to act/respond.
As far as I can tell, many people in Israel wish for Palestinians to be able to live (emphasize "live") freely, but the elected officials are more along the lines of "Jewish Nazis" than world leaders.
When their own people, even their armies are finding themselves questioning their leaders' intents, something must be clearly wrong.
Oh, and as for Hamas not caring: it's hard to care when you're under a constant blockade, walled in and have to go through a number of tolls just to cross the streets. It's hard to care when each attack sent is replied tenfolds, bringing about even more bloodshed than one could dish out. It's hard to care when those in position to do something about what's going on choose the violent path, and decide to act in an inhumane manner.
Chain a dog up, beat him, leave him starving and wonder why he bit you. That's what the Israeli government is doing, and that's why people are "against Israel".
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Well first of all, I do agree with some of your comments. However...
Not all Jews are from Israel, thus a few Jewish people protesting in France (I think that's where the pic was taken) do not mean that the Israelis are questioning their leaders actions. In fact, a recent CNN poll showed that the majority are satisfied with the government's recent actions in this trying time. (I cannot cite this, as I saw it briefly over dinner. Take it with a grain of salt if you will)
In addition, Hamas' ideologies are similar to that of the nazi parties (if we are comparing to said party). Hamas leaders constantly express their hatred of Israel (as a whole, not just their officials). One very anti-Semetic leader asserted:
"Israel will exist until Islam will obliterate it. . . . [On the Day of Judgment] when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees, the stones and trees will say, 'There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'"
Therefore, Israel is not defending themselves solely from the already actualized attacks, but from possible future attacks that could obliterate the entire country.
I must capitalize on the fact that I do not agree with the bombings of schools and government buildings.
That being said, Israel has the right to defend their country just as Palestinians have the right to fight back against the Israelis.
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If we're going to compare nazism, you just have to compare the meaning of Semite and Aryan. Not much of a difference there.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want this to boil to another debate about the validity of Israel's existence as a country or whether Hamas is a terrorist group or not. I just wanted to point out how ironic or sometimes hypocritic the term "anti-Semite" can be. In fact, Israel's government has shared quite a few hateful comments about Arabs and Muslims as a whole. My cousin's cousin, who's Jewish once said that "all Arabs have to be wiped off the face of the earth", all while his cousins (and by extension, my family and I) are Arabs. In fact, he's half Moroccan.
I've known this kid since he was 9 and all of a sudden I've become an enemy to him out of some pseudo-idealistic vision of a world without Arabs? What's next? Destroying Europeans because they let Hitler invade Poland? Or perhaps they should do like in the times of the tribes, and kill Jews who are opposed to the notion of "one people, one race, one world".
Israel, as a nation, as a land, as a home has a right to be. But if that land has to be built with blood and bones, then it is not a land that can be deemed to be Holy.
The best way to do thigs would be to separate the land in three: The eastern area for Israelis, the western area for Palestinians, and leave Jerusalem as open territory. That way, each side gets their land and their home and the Holy land can return to its true purpose: A crossroads for paths of faith to come, meet and worship the same God they're all killing themselves to honour.
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I totally agree with your last paragraph
Cheers
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Well said.
I wish people, most of which are well educated, don't fall for the media's claims. If only people would search the subject a little...know the real meaning of terrorism and how it is wrongly used to discribe Hamas.
For people receiving information in a home miles away from the war site we must question its accuracy.
Had I watched t.v. not knowing the real story and the fact that Israel is 'illegally occupying Palestine' and Hamas is fighting for the land their rights back , I would have believed the lie that Hamas is a terrorist organization one of whom Israel is trying to protect itself from.
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Research... as in several months worth of in-depth research on Hamas, their history, Britain, Palastinians, Israelis, and how they all fit together? Check.
Yes, I have done the research. I would classify Hamas a terrorist group. No American TV station had to tell me that.
Cheers
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You have the right to your opinion.
I just hope you take a sec to see the startagy a member provided earlier: your home gets attacked, you fight back (with whatever weapons u have available) and then the people who attacked call you a terrorist. Does that make sense to you? If it does then there must be something wrong.
Take care
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(Perhaps) Surprisingly, most north american news media are denouncing Israel's attacks on Gaza, calling them excessive and inhumane, all while reminding the people of the amount of casualties on both sides.
I think we can all agree that an attacked people has a right to defend itself, so long as the response sent is equal, and perhaps slightly higher than the original attack, but what we're seeing here is nothing short of genocide.
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I agree with the last paragraph you wrote.
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Wonderful. I love how you can see all the people gathered in the background.
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it's a beautiful thing that people protest.
despite race, age, or gender, people can be brought together by the violence in order to put a stop to it.
wonderful subject.
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If their own people are against what they are doing. You'd thing they'd stop.
Gongrats on the DD, I was waiting for something like this to make it through.
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This picture teaches that we shouldn't group people along lines of race or religion. Ideologies are never fully blanketing and can always be undone.
There are extremists on both sides, saying that the Palestinian people brought it upon themselves is a gross misrepresentation. If this conflict is to truly end the voices of those who want peace needs to be louder than of those who want war.
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There will almost always be some dissenters in every population.
Too bad the Palestinians brought such war upon themselves with their rockets.
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I would strongly suggest you watch this video Peace Propaganda & the Promised Land before saying the sentence "Palestinians brought such war upon themselves with their rockets." Perhaps a little background info would make you change your mind.
by the way, these rockets.. they were home-made..in comparison to the 5th strongest army in the world. That is nothing, if you try to balance the equation of both oppositions. The media is mindwashing, the truth is filtered before it enters American Television. (the video speaks abou this too)
Take care.
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Balance the equation? You're saying that during a war the army must downsize if the enemy has less fire power? Why? Because war is supposed to be fair? War is about defense or/and victory.
I'm sorry, but your logic doesn't hold up, mate.
By the way, this is DA, not a political forum.
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This war can easily be called one-sided.
Since you don't think it's a politcal forum right now avoid replying and reading and proceed with your DA routine.
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Thanks for the order, boss. Will do.
Cheers.
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I'm going to stick to my previous comments.
If the Palestinians stopped firing rockets, Israel would have hardly any reason to invade.
Further, on the Internet, one doesn't need to rely on American Television for news.
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Too bad Israel brought the rockets upon themselves by imposing a blockade on the people of Gaza, by building an apartheid wall around the Palestinian territories, and by generally taking over the Palestinian land through the years.
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The blockade and the wall were Israel's non-violent attempts to stop the firing of rockets. No one forced the Palestinians to fire rockets. They could have chosen to use diplomacy. Instead they turned to violence. I'm surprised the Israelis put up with it for as long as they did. If you fire rockets into another country which has far superior fire power - you should expect to get your butt kicked eventually.
That being said, if Israel wanted to respond, it should simply have responded in kind - tossed a few random rockets back. The massive attack was really unnecessary and, in my opinion, overly heavy handed.
If the Palestinians stop firing rockets, Israel will once again open the borders. It has in the past, so there's no reason to think it won't in the future.
On the subject of land, all new Israeli settlements should be halted immediately and any new ones which have been built since Israel said it wouldn't build any more, should be dismantled and returned to the Palestinian people. As far as the land that Israel was given after WW2, it now belongs to the Israelis. If the Palestinians have a problem with that, they should take it up with the British - who gave the Israelis the land.
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What else are the Palestinians supposed to do, besides fire rockets when Israel's aggressive occupation continues to abuse the Palestinian population and to deprive them of their basic rights? You can't do that and expect them to cop it in the chin. Don't EVER try and spin the conflict around and blame the Palestinians for Israel's so-called "defensive" stance against the Palestinian people.
Do you think the Palestinians haven't tried diplomacy? Most of the accords and agreements have been a slap in the face for the Palestinian people, and no leader with an ounce of dignity would accept them. But when you have a terrorist state preventing men, women and children from returning to the very land they were displaced from (for fear of losing their lives), you can't seriously expect Palestinians to sit on a table and turn a blind eye to that.
As for settlements, all of them in the West Bank must be dismantled. Recent article on BBC shows how the majority of settlements were made ILLEGALLY (not talking about illegality in terms of UN resolutions, where settlements are inherently illegal), but built without permits which means they have been stealing land from Palestinians for years (as always). Check it out here: [link]
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What else are the Palestinians supposed to do
Stop firing rockets and start working on diplomacy - which is the only thing that's going to bring about peace.
Don't EVER try and spin the conflict around and blame the Palestinians for Israel's so-called "defensive" stance against the Palestinian people.
Excuse you. 
Do you think the Palestinians haven't tried diplomacy?
Not recently, no. Further, the only terrorists in this conflict are Hammas - which is an internationally recognized terrorist group.
preventing men, women and children from returning to the very land they were displaced from
The Palestinians no longer own that land (not referring to the West Bank). They lost it to the Israelis. They aren't going to get it back. So they have a choice - deal with it and move on, or continue causing trouble and probably eventually be destroyed. Let's be honest here, it has always been the rule of war that to the victor go the spoils. If a force can hold the land then it's theirs. The Palestinians are just lucky that they weren't conquered by the Romans or the Greeks or (God forbid) the Germans. Because if they had been, there would be no Palestinians left. The Israelis have been quite diplomatic, especially considering that they have far superior fire power.
A agree with you on the settlements - that needs to stop.
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Excuse you.
Partly. Elections were coming up. It was common knowledge that the parties involved were making a statement that they could take care of the Israeli people, and they used the latest offensive to flex their muscles.
Again, you cannot expect Palestinians to stop their justified resistance as their being held prisoners in their own land. Stop the occupation and you won't have a resistance. The resistance is a symptom, not the disease itself.
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The rockets are really the problem - even though they do little damage usually. I'd be interested to see what happens if the Palestinians stopped firing them. Once they stop, then if Israel does anything it will be the Israelis who will look like the aggressors. Right now, the Israelis are in a good light worldwide because they are only protecting themselves from rockets (supposedly).
Just my take on the issue.
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That's your take on the issue, and that's a common misconception amongst a lot of people. But I see it quite differently. The rockets are not an act of aggression by Hamas - they are an act of defence and resistance in response to the occupation. As I've said before, Israel is the thief and they have to return what belongs to the Palestinians if they are serious about peace.
Seems like we have to agree to disagree.
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