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Published: 2019-04-15 22:10:35 +0000 UTC; Views: 2222; Favourites: 125; Downloads: 0
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Description I am lost for words and I'm crying. All bells are ringing in Paris. 

Obviously a speed paint. Many flaws, my way to pray.
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Comments: 86

ElissaKarminakria In reply to ??? [2019-05-19 18:25:32 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for your nice comment. This piece belongs to the group of "art I'm not sure I would be able to do again even trying very hard". It belongs to this exact moment  

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KehXKeova [2019-04-25 03:11:12 +0000 UTC]

Yes... When my friend told me about this, and when I saw the news footage, I was in shock, then in tears.

Thank you for making such an amazing tribute.
Here's to her recovery!!

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to KehXKeova [2019-04-30 13:10:26 +0000 UTC]

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Libra1010 [2019-04-23 20:05:29 +0000 UTC]

 I cannot recall being more shocked than when one first heard that Notre-Dame de Paris was afire; September the 11th was horrible, yet felt quite unreal and the outcome of the "Brexit" Referendum just left me disappointed, but to heard that such an Icon was in flames ... that was not quite a blow, but still left me stunned.

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MensjeDeZeemeermin [2019-04-20 05:17:59 +0000 UTC]

Nous avec vous.  Vive le belle Notre Dame!

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to MensjeDeZeemeermin [2019-04-20 08:55:10 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for using French word to express your sympathy  

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MensjeDeZeemeermin In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-20 21:47:02 +0000 UTC]

Mon pauvre Francaise, Madamoiselle. 

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PendingToDelete [2019-04-19 20:26:24 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful piece. The way you painted the sky looks magnificent!

Politics and religious debates aside, the building was a piece of history, and had told many stories over the years. I do think that it's a tragedy. 

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to PendingToDelete [2019-04-20 08:58:55 +0000 UTC]

I wanted to paint sky, cloud, smoke for a while but somehow postponed it every time. In the end I'm glad I did it here.
You're voicing my mind precisely about all this. This piece of history is damaged but not entirely destroyed. In some decades this fire shall only be considered another part of Notre-Dame's greater story.

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Flame-Bloom [2019-04-18 21:30:39 +0000 UTC]

C'est un coup dur… Mais maintenant on peut la reconstruire ensemble.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Flame-Bloom [2019-04-20 08:54:49 +0000 UTC]

Oui  

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Travelinni [2019-04-18 19:06:38 +0000 UTC]

the french have to learn their lessons , repent and pray to God

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LadyWitchscar [2019-04-18 14:06:25 +0000 UTC]

OMG, I feel so sorry for France. I shall give this country my deep sympathy!!😭😢💔

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to LadyWitchscar [2019-04-20 08:53:20 +0000 UTC]

Thank you from the bottom of our heart  

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LadyWitchscar In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-21 12:50:24 +0000 UTC]

No problem.

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BluePhoenix0702 [2019-04-18 00:18:19 +0000 UTC]

Okay, before going into the tragedy, I want to take the time to say that this artpiece is gorgeous. The soft textures add a flair to the smoke and flames. 

With that being said, it's very tragic to see this happen. To start, the building is over 800 YEARS! That's a very long time for a building to stand with minimal damage. The worry I have with the funding are that to get the materials that made this is going to be expensive (even with the funding page, it's a lot), and if France's economy will fall from how much they have to pay.

I could be overthinking, but that's my opinion.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to BluePhoenix0702 [2019-04-18 08:24:22 +0000 UTC]

Many rich people and companies have already provided funds (I wish they'd do the same for the people suffering around the world, but that's another topic). So it seems money is not as much an issue as we might believe (see the list of donations already made public: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendie… ).
The topic of discussion now is: should Notre-Dame be rebuilt with same materials and skills at it was? With concrete and metal instead? How much time to rebuild? Politics would like to rebuilt before 2024 because of Paris Olympics Games... It's hasty in my opinion. They say stadiums are built in less time, but Notre-Dame is no stadium And many experts say it would be impossible to use wood for the frame with such a tight schedule because wood needs years to dry and be ready. Besides, we have good stonemasons in France but not enough for this schedule. We'll see...

Thank you for your appreciation of my work, I appreciate it

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BluePhoenix0702 In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-24 16:21:47 +0000 UTC]

Oh, okay. 
That's a good thing for the funding to do well.
However, I agree with you even more about people having this much motivation when it comes to helping other humans in need.

Exactly! It's hard for the engineers to get everything back to normal in such a short period of time. 
If the government decides to rebuild with new materials, it opens another basket of issues since wood and metal don't exactly work if wood is at the bottom.
  

We will have to see what comes next to know for certain the outcome.

Finally, you're very welcome~! You deserve the praise!
 

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hyneige [2019-04-17 21:30:59 +0000 UTC]

Cette structure est avant tout ce chef-d’œuvre de l'humanité qui se tient debout depuis 800 ans en témoin de tant d'âges sombres ou glorieux, de tant de prouesses et de misères. C'est une forêt de 1,500 chênes qui formaient la structure du toit. Le maître œuvre  des artisans charpentier des temps anciens. Vers 1200, 1500 chênes coupés et laisser couchés pendant un an au sol, la tête tournée vers le nord pour qu'ils soient alignés avec les énergies de la terre. Puis on va les écorcer pour ensuite les immerger dans un marécage prendant 25 ans pour préserver le bois des champignons et des insectes. En 1225, on les ressort de l'eau pour les scier en poutres qui resteront à sécher pendant encore 25ans. Ceux qui ont coupé le bois n'ont jamais vu la charpente de l'édifice. Puis les siècle on fait leur œuvre en imprégnant ce lieu d'une spiritualité... On admire toujours un peu plus ce que l'on perd!

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to hyneige [2019-04-18 08:08:04 +0000 UTC]

Je ne l'aurais pas mieux dit que toi. Merci

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Aya-Lunar [2019-04-17 14:19:40 +0000 UTC]

Very nice painting, I love how you did this.

However, I feel like people are overreacting, the catholic church is stinking rich, they could restorate/rebuild it just fine.. No people or relics where hurt or destroyed.

There are so much more pressing matters in this day and age, and to see how rich people just within 24 hours of this happening have offered millions and millions of euro's to help with this "tragedy" makes my heart bleed.. Where are they when we need them for more pressing matters? They just keep silent and keep their money in their pockets, refugees, poor people the health of our earth is less important than a building it seems.. )':

Nonetheless it's sad.. But it's not the end of the world.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Aya-Lunar [2019-04-17 16:23:28 +0000 UTC]

It does not depend on the catholic church to rebuilt it since it is a public building, belonging to France and not to the church (Church and State are separated in France, and religious buildings and their maintenance is left to the State).
That being said, I'm sickened too by that much money coming from people who don't give it for the poor people and destitutes. My feelings last night came from the bottom of my heart, a genuine sorrow, but I feel too that the rush to rebuilt is poorly managed and too politicised. I am not convinced in my heart that rebuilding is the first thing to do but I guess there is philosophical/psychological need behind: make it "as it never happened", conquer death and destruction, make a statement that man is stronger than tragedy. While nobody considered it possible to burn, it did; while nobody considers it possible to rebuilt quickly, they want to do it. I guess in the 7 stages of grief and loss, this is only number 1, denial.

A lot of words to say that, all things considered, I agree with your feelings.

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Lshack09 [2019-04-17 04:33:20 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely horrific what happened, it was so hard to watch.

All my thoughts of hope are with France and her people.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Lshack09 [2019-04-17 14:11:49 +0000 UTC]

Thank you very much!

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artbyzmm [2019-04-16 21:33:48 +0000 UTC]

Nothing sad about this building burning. Sad is how theirs poverty and war, and children are dying from both. Sad is how it's acceptable to kill a baby have an abortion. Sad is how funds are given more to looking for nothing out in space. Sad is how children get molested.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to artbyzmm [2019-04-16 23:41:57 +0000 UTC]

I get your point and I thank you for voicing it.

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artbyzmm In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-23 20:46:27 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for replying

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Noctis-Corvus [2019-04-16 13:31:25 +0000 UTC]

As much as I don't like France, Notre Dame is a fundamental part of the Parisian skyline. I'd hope they can rebuild it, but it's not something you can just restore...
At least they were able to get some statues out...

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Noctis-Corvus [2019-04-16 13:57:33 +0000 UTC]

The statues were out 5 days before the fire. Many pieces of art and relics were removed when the fire began, and some remained but are almost safe - though needing restoration.

Beyond architecture and beyond religion, Notre-Dame is fundamental in France's history, this is the heart of the country, even for non Catholic people. This is were we celebrate national mournings (despite our country being constitutionally non-religious), for instance when we had those terrible attacks in 2015. Surely the grief is stronger for those who had a strong bond with Notre-Dame. I don't expect people from all over the world to mourn, but in France this is something big, a tragedy.
The only good thing about it is that we see people from various backgrounds, races, religions united in their grief. For example, I was moved to read the French Council of Muslims invited the muslims in France to giving money and prayers for Notre-Dame. The last months in France were nasty, full of divisions... I guess every cloud has a silver lining.

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Noctis-Corvus In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-20 12:14:34 +0000 UTC]

Hm... I was under the impression that Notre Dame wasn't very important until the novel about it. At least, that's what I remembered on the sign when I visited it a few years ago.

I may not like France (or the church) myself, but it's still a tragedy. : /

Well, they were divisions caused by poor thinking on the side of the politicians. Adding a tax on top of the problems wasn't going to help with public opinion...

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Noctis-Corvus [2019-04-21 09:05:45 +0000 UTC]

I should've said "in modern France". Indeed before Victor Hugo's novel, Notre-Dame was not that much a symbol. A great writer and everything changed: the power of words!

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Noctis-Corvus In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-21 11:01:45 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely. : )

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outbackpianist [2019-04-16 13:28:44 +0000 UTC]

I hope it will be rebuilt better than before!  

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to outbackpianist [2019-04-16 13:59:49 +0000 UTC]

Though nothing can replace this historical roof, I hope the rebuilding will be an opportunity to secure what's left and make it last many more centuries.
Twenty years ago, Windsor Castle took fire too, and I read they did a pretty good job improving the non-visible parts (like electrical system and ventilation)... Let's hope for the same kind of work for Notre-Dame.

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outbackpianist In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-17 12:57:01 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely. It's a very important part of France's history!   

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outbackpianist In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-17 12:54:32 +0000 UTC]

Absolutely. It is a very important piece of France's history!

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Vixenkiba [2019-04-16 09:30:43 +0000 UTC]

Truly heartbreaking, I was in shock when I saw the news. I really hope the main structure will survive, and that there is a chance of building up the roof again. It has been done with other churches in the past...

The little good thing is that many of the bronze statues were removed from the church before the renovation. 

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Vixenkiba [2019-04-16 11:05:45 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for thoughts and support Since they say the renovation may be the cause of the fire, it's a bittersweet consolation that the statues are safe...

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DolfKorppi [2019-04-16 08:04:37 +0000 UTC]

May they recover their lovely ND...u.u/////

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to DolfKorppi [2019-04-16 09:13:38 +0000 UTC]

That shall be very very expensive... But this is my wish too  

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DolfKorppi In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-16 13:11:58 +0000 UTC]

uhmm...let's have faith....let's have faith...u.u

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to DolfKorppi [2019-04-16 14:00:58 +0000 UTC]

 

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DolfKorppi In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-16 21:34:51 +0000 UTC]

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GreenAngel5 [2019-04-16 04:21:40 +0000 UTC]

I woke up to see this all over the news...it leaves me speechless that the flames......as of writing this, I don't know how much damage has been done, but I hope that the flames didn't touch everything. It's really heartbreaking to see it though.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to GreenAngel5 [2019-04-16 09:13:06 +0000 UTC]

There are no extensive reports about the damages, but what I learnt:
-roof is burnt;
-most stone parts are, so far, still standing; but there are many burnt beams and water over the vault that weaken it and may cause it to collapse ; there is of course damage on the vault due to the spire falling;
-the altar is safe, as well as most relics and art that could be removed;
-some stain-glassed windows are broken but I read the South Rose is safe;
-no knowledge about the paintings and art that were inside and could not be removed; smoke, ashes and water may have caused damages to them.
Still waiting...  

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GreenAngel5 In reply to ElissaKarminakria [2019-04-19 22:24:27 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for such an extensive report. I haven't been around the news since then, so I hope that they were able to recover even more since then.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to GreenAngel5 [2019-04-20 08:50:04 +0000 UTC]

They were! More relics seem to be safe (all of them actually) and most of the paintings that were inside, as well as all the oldest stained-glass windows. They were able to strengthen the places where the building was weak with temporary fixes and the great organ only needs fixing. 
On the "destroyed" side, the big clock that was inside is broken. But considering all that's saved, I don't feel for it that much.

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Atmu [2019-04-16 00:17:08 +0000 UTC]

J'ai contemplé l'horreur de cette tragédie qui s'est abattu sur Notre-Dame de Paris où un incendie s'est déclaré sur la zone de restauration de la cathédrale et c'est épouvantable ce qu'il a pu se passer, surtout pour les parisiens qui ont vu l'horreur de cet incendie ayant ravagé une grande partie de ce monument historique.


Reste à espérer que les réparations seront possibles et que Notre-Dame réussira à retrouver sa splendeur d'antan.

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ElissaKarminakria In reply to Atmu [2019-04-16 08:46:59 +0000 UTC]

Ce matin, mon état d'esprit était très troublé. J'étais encore dévastée, et en même temps, je pensais "Ouf, tout n'est pas détruit". Je suppose que c'est la seule façon de continuer à avancer : rendre grâce pour ce qu'on a, non ce qu'on perd... Je continue de prier pour que la voûte ne s'effondre pas. Les experts disent qu'avec la quantité d'eau accumulée au-dessus d'elle, en plus du poids des poutres calcinées, elle pourrait céder. Si elle tient, alors l'essentiel de l'ouvrage de pierre sera conservé. Malgré tout, cela prendra des décennies à reconstruire.

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gordonphilbin [2019-04-16 00:15:06 +0000 UTC]

#PrayForNotreDame 

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