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Humans are about to reach carrying capacity, I fear when that happens, something may wipe a lot of us out to keep things neutral like the Buffalo?
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Actually, pregnancy is not a mirical.
It is a natural part of being female.
It IS amazing and adds to the population of people on the planet, but over population is a bit of a stretch.
It's more like under inovating.
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You wouldn't be saying the same thing back in the days when hospitals were rare, and when a mother could only give birth in her own home with the help of her family. Millions of births that brought live babies into the world were true miracles, especially without any illnesses. Of course, nowadays people like you take things like that for granted.Β
And overpopulation is a myth. The problem isn't overpopulation, it is how poorly humans deal with natural resources. Once we figure out how to make our taking of res courses more reliable as well as more healthy for the world, this stupid 'overpopulation' thing you morons use as an excuse to hate the human species won't even be a thought.Β
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You wouldn't be here without pregnancy.
Just sayin' ; )
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It IS a miracle for alot of people who are unable to have children.
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You are less fit and less worthy than many of your fellow humans who work hard to better all humanity.
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"Miracles" would not cause women to die in the process of passing them from their bodies. Or cause them to experience morning sickness, gestational diabetes, preclampsia, and other things.
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That's natural for pregnancy. So what?
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Nothing that results in the possibility of death, and the certainty of horrific pain, could be considered miraculous.
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Shut up you idiot. First comes the pain and then comes joy.
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A torn vagina is not joyful. And dead mothers experience no joy.
P.S. Look up obstetric fistulas. Miracles don't cause something as horrifying as that.
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A child born is a joy. If it threatens the mother's life, that's the only exception that I am willing to make as it is better for one person to die than two. The mother could always have more children.
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Ok.. you're veering off the topic here. Seems like you're pro-life, which yanno, I'm not here to argue or whatever. I'm arguing that childbirth isn't a miracle if women die or suffer obstetric fistulas and what not. A real miracle would never have the potential to cause such pain or tragedy. Also, mothers are not the only ones who can get damaged or killed here, babies are born with various defects, whether it be genetic or some fuck-up during some stage in the development of the fetus. Would you call a baby born with anencephaly a joy? So honestly, pregnancy and childbirth were HUGE gambles back then, and though not as much today, is still a significant gamble even in first-world countries. The fact that more women and children are surviving today isn't some miracle - it's medical intervention.
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And you're talking based on only the worst case scenarios which are invalid for the majority of the populace. And killing someone with defects before birth is just the same crime as the holocaust as killing the disabled. And how are our achievements not a miracle when not many locations in the world have them yet we are the fortunate ones? Think again.
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Miracles would not have a worst case scenario. A miracle would never result in the death of the mother, or baby, or in some unfortunate cases, both.
The only reason why mother/child survival rates are much better today is because of medical intervention and knowledge (i.e. hygiene)
Um, what? Where did I ever talk about abortions? My point was that pregnancy/childbirth isn't a miracle because otherwise each child would be born healthy. A miracle wouldn't come with anencephaly, among the myriad of other problems that can occur to a baby in utero, or during birth.
"And how are our achievements not a miracle when not many locations in the world have them yet we are the fortunate ones?"
This sentence honestly confuses me. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, but I'll respond the best I can.
If childbirth truly was a miracle, location and circumstances wouldn't determine the chances of a mother or child dying in the process or suffering health issues/injuries. If childbirth was truly a miracle, a third-world woman suffering from undernourishment, giving birth on the dirt floor in a hut, wouldn't have to worry any more about what pregnancy/childbirth would do to her any more than a woman in a first-world country who has access to the most advanced technology, prenatal care, and medical services.
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The undernourishment is due to government corruption. You may not find it miraculous but it is a gift from God.
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Also, friendly bit of advice - using personal insults in a debate NEVER helps your position. I do not appreciate being called an idiot as I have never used any personal slurs towards you.
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You were pushing it talking likeΒ a stereotypical abortionist.
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you're veering off the topic and ignoring my posts... AGAIN.
I had NEVER said anything about aborting disabled fetuses. Only that disabilities happen in utero and in childbirth. I was only stating a fact, not a opinion. Show me exactly where you claim I promoted abortion.
Your arguments would hold more weight if you did not use personal insults, or put words in the other person's mouth. A good Christian would not rashly insult people who had never attacked them to begin with. Have I ever called you any names? No. Be a gentleman and apologize.
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Then why do you talk with such venom and insult?
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I might take you more seriously if you would actually address my points.
Not once have I called you a name, or insulted you, your religion, etc etc. So please look at the things I have said and point to me where my so-called venom and insults have been, because you are the one who has been venomous and insulting, not me. Your behavior has been very un-Christianlike.
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Forgive me if I have insulted you. I still have some serious problems, I must admit.
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There is no 'if'. You HAVE insulted me, more than once.
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And I apologized! Do you accept it or not!?
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That's the thing... you never did apologize. All you did was TELL me to forgive you. Not once did you apologize, which is the FIRST step in ASKING for forgiveness.
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No, it was not. At all.
An proper apology goes something like this...
"I apologize/am sorry for (what I did and/or said), I see that you were hurt by it."
Of course, there is no need to follow the exact wording, but that is the gist of an apology. Not once have you expressed anything of that sort - all you did was DEMAND forgiveness (not even a please!)
When asking for forgiveness, one must show repentance - it even says so in the Bible.
EDIT: LOL, LordElthibar blocked me before I could respond to his last comment. So I can just post my response here-
I can't accept an apology if you never made one in the first place!
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So you aren't accepting my apology?
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Wow, again you keep on dodging.
Sure, some malnourishment IS due to government corruption today and in the past, but it was also often a result of drought/famine in that area, as well as less medical knowledge back then, not knowing about vitamins and what was best/healthy for a mother and developing fetus. If childbirth was truly a miracle, then no factors would affect it.
If childbirth was a gift, then it would not have caused all the pain and suffering it has throughout the history of humans.
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There are no miracles, just a series of happy accidents.
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The birth of a child is a beautiful thing. But i dont think think the proper word to use for it is "miracle"
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my mother was a miracle. She was predicted to die after birth. She actually started turning purple... but somehow it all just stopped out of nowhere and she lived.
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Your mother's survival was a miracle, yes, but not the pregnancy that conceived her in the first place. It was just a biological process. : P
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that, I can agree with. I was confused at 1st when I read this originally
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*you are.
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A miracle is something that happens out of the ordinary. There are about 100 babies born in the US every five minutes. In fact, there are a bunch of women out there who are popping out baby after baby and not taking care of them. I can hardly consider that a miracle.
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I don't know, but you are kind of special if you doesn't.
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I'm so sick and tired of people saying babies are little miracles.
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this might be an old comment but I agree with it
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Thanks. It just frustrates me when people go on about how miraculous babies are when people have DIED giving birth to them.
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Me too. Holy shit, they are noisy, ugly and they stink and people still love these worms. If I wanted some stinky creature I'd buy a pig.
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