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syppy1 [2023-02-18 04:03:19 +0000 UTC]
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Mrcherd [2019-08-31 05:13:21 +0000 UTC]
I've read Quran.
First, the verset whish say " kill disbelievers where you find them" was sent by God in the middle of a war, but if you read the WHOLE story, you'll find that God said that if the war prisonniers convert, they're set free, and if not, and the war is over, They're back to their families protected.
And about slavery, there's NOTHING in Quran who say " make them Slaves". It's mentioned historically, but not approved.
And it was in the tradition of Arabs to have slaves, but not Musulmans. Cuz after Islam appeared, there was almost no slaves anymore. They was all set free.
What do you gonna say now?
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Paulthored [2019-05-29 22:34:26 +0000 UTC]
...or the hindu caste system vs "all men are created Equal." (and endowed with inalienable Rights)
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ArmyOfTwoGuy [2019-03-07 07:50:25 +0000 UTC]
The regressive left says nothing about Shariah and even support it for one reason: fear.
Fear of reprisal.
Fear of being called racist or any other kind of suffix.
Most importantly, fear of ostracism.
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NF-2 [2019-02-17 03:48:38 +0000 UTC]
The right can't meme
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Balddog4 In reply to NF-2 [2019-02-18 23:13:40 +0000 UTC]
You know that Sharia Law is about slavery, right?
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adir84 In reply to Balddog4 [2019-05-16 20:02:01 +0000 UTC]
sharia law is the law that combinesΒ
Nazism
fascismΒ
anti-SemitismΒ
and slaveryΒ
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Cambion-Hunter [2019-01-03 04:43:41 +0000 UTC]
Sharia Law needs to be banned. PERMANENTLY.
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Fujin777 [2018-12-11 23:11:19 +0000 UTC]
Seems legit.
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BlackedMint [2018-12-11 15:02:10 +0000 UTC]
so epic
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Greatkingrat88 [2018-12-11 09:24:07 +0000 UTC]
Islam is an awful religion (just like christianity) full of bad ideas (just like christianity) and the number of muslims willing to support a regressive, barbaric set of ideas is worrying (that one is admittedly far less of a problem in western christianity), but to paint every muslimΒ with the same brush is to alienate every muslim in the world, including the ones who would agree with you and rather see islam reformed.Β
I believe it's entirely correct to say the left is naive with regards to islam and such, but the right is in return overly paranoid and xenophobic with regards to islam. We need a centrist, nuanced approach that accepts reasonable muslims as allies, and unreasonable muslims as ideological enemies.
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Centurion030 [2018-12-11 03:51:07 +0000 UTC]
SNAP!
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SmithyGCN [2018-12-11 00:52:30 +0000 UTC]
Exactly. I can't understand why these groups that the Muslims hate go ahead and support them. It makes no sense! Are they just stupid? Do they WANT to be killed?
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-11 09:24:43 +0000 UTC]
There's a considerable difference between supporting muslimsΒ and supporting shariah.
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SmithyGCN In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2018-12-13 07:10:43 +0000 UTC]
I fail to see how that is considering you can't tell where a Muslim ends and where Shariah begins.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-13 07:58:00 +0000 UTC]
Sure you can. A lot of muslims are like many christians are, IE more liberal/progressive in spite of their barbarian, regressive "holy" book.
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SmithyGCN In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2018-12-13 08:05:27 +0000 UTC]
I'm sorry you feel that way, but the Koran is far more barbaric. The actually REAL Christians I've known are the best people I've ever met. If you actually read what the Bible ACTUALLY says rather than listen to hearsay by liberal professors trying to sound intellectual, you wouldn't lump us all with the Muslim crowd.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-13 09:08:31 +0000 UTC]
Ah yes, "real" christians. IE, when muslims do bad things it means muslims are bad, and when christians do bad things they're not real christians. That's called the No True Scotsman fallacy and it's plain intellectual dishonesty.Β
My dude, I'm a former christian, and nothing has turned me against christianity so much as having seen its beliefs up close. The koran is barbaric. So is the bible. Both are backwards, horrible belief systems that hold humanity back. Islam as a religion is worse off for sure because it was never tamed by enlightenment, but at their core they're both bronze age barbarism.
And let's be honest here, the one lumping people togehter is you, given that you seem to think muslims are all the same.
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SmithyGCN In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2018-12-13 09:27:18 +0000 UTC]
Look, I won't argue with you about many of us as we have a LOT of traditions I don't agree with as the Bible doesn't even support them. We have so many rules and no relationship, it's like we're a bunch of pharisees. This is why I talk about real Christians. Real Christians believe the Bible for what it says and not for what they want it to say. This is why I believe in divine healing, decreeing, and anointing. Heaven has become one of my favorite subjects over the past months!
God has healed me of many illnesses I never thought I'd be healed from. I am very grateful to Him.
Another thing that bothers me is that many "Christians" aren't accepting of people outside the faith. Homosexuals, abortionists, atheists, Muslims, they are all people and God loves them all. Not all atheists are black hearted monsters out to take your Bible away. Not all homosexuals want to jump your bones. Not all abortion victims are hard hearted as many who have had an abortion are hurting greatly inside. Not all Muslims want to blow you sky high.
If we just showed a little compassion instead of turning others away because we're self-righteous judgmental pharisees, many people would not only know us by our love, but get to know the real Jesus.
The Bible isn't exactly barbaric. The only barabarism was in the Old Testament due to the rules of the old covenant. I'm not saying the OT is irrelevant, I'm saying that God had to set His people aside to keep them pure at the time. Now that Jesus was sacrificed, things are different. No longer do we need to stone infidels and whatnot because now everyone can come to the throne of God unhindered.
I'm sorry I didn't seem to understand and was sarcastic at first. From that, I guess I was no better than most other Christians. I don't agree with what Muslims do, but I don't hate them.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-13 10:41:02 +0000 UTC]
The problem is that you don't have to look to christians going outside your preferred version of christianity- just looking to the bible itself, you'll find total barbarism that is every bit as regressive as anything you'll find in the koran. And it makes perfect sense if it's viewed as the religious beliefs of bronze age shepherds, but no sense whatsoever as the word of an infallible, morally perfect god.Β
Or well, so you think, because I doubt you have anything but personal assumption to go with on that one.Β
In my view, christianity is the religion of love in the same way islam is the religion of peace. When the majority of its adherents act a certain way, it's impossible to dismiss them as simply distorting the faith or somehow getting it wrong. When the same problems arise, over and over, from the same set of beliefs, then there is an undeniable pattern associated with those beliefs.Β
As for homosexuality, abortion etc, the problem is that religion instills a sense of absolute moral certainty, which justifies thinking of those who disagree as morally corrupt or evil. The charitable thing to do would be to consider a different perspective, but why would you ever do that if you are already sure you have The Truth? Religion instills narrowmindedness, and the christians who overcome that do so in spite of their faith, not because of it.
The same old testament that Jesus explicitly spoke of as: "I have not come to change the old laws... not an iota will be lost"?
That aside, barbarism is still prevalent in the new testament, if not to the same degree. It's nicer, but I still find it morally abhorrent.Β
Sarcasm is a hard thing to convey without a signifier, you know.
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Greatkingrat88 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-13 11:10:19 +0000 UTC]
As you wish. I'll not push an argument where it's not wanted.
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SmithyGCN In reply to Greatkingrat88 [2018-12-13 11:54:17 +0000 UTC]
All right. We can agree to disagree.
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Balddog4 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-11 04:52:05 +0000 UTC]
Its like the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
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SmithyGCN In reply to Balddog4 [2018-12-13 07:10:55 +0000 UTC]
Pretty much.
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Centurion030 In reply to Balddog4 [2018-12-11 05:34:08 +0000 UTC]
Both groups hate Western Civilization.
One group will make easy slaves of the other and only then the useful idiots will know that it's too late.
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Graeystone In reply to Centurion030 [2018-12-14 16:07:26 +0000 UTC]
Thing about Useful Idiots - They won't get it even when they're lined up against the wall with the people who did get it.
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MattX125 In reply to SmithyGCN [2018-12-11 02:47:22 +0000 UTC]
I think it's because they are not informed.Β And don't believe you when you say it.
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SmithyGCN In reply to MattX125 [2018-12-13 07:11:10 +0000 UTC]
That could be the case, yeah.
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