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Abion47 [2013-03-03 11:35:31 +0000 UTC]
With the developers trying to pass War Z as a release game when it can barely even be considered in a beta phase, an in-game purchase system that totally destroys any sense of bleak survival that the whole premise of the game is based off of, the Steam page advertising a bunch of features that don't actually exist in the game itself, the game as a whole being a direct and blatant rip-off of DayZ just for a quick buck, nearly all of the graphical assets being taken unmodified from the developer's other games, outright censoring and banning of people from the forums and the game for just complaining about the game's obvious and blaring shortcomings (paraphrased quote for language: "If you don't like the game then you shouldn't have bought it."), and even the Terms and Conditions being copied word for word from the League of Legends Terms and Conditions page (they didn't even change the referenced websites from leagueoflegends.com to whatever War Z is)...
Yeah, I really don't care if the gameplay of the game itself is solid gold. I refuse to support a studio with the kind of practices and policies that Hammerpoint has demonstrated. It was taken off of Steam for very good reasons, and it was a mistake for Valve to let it back on.
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Az-Pekt In reply to Abion47 [2013-03-03 17:30:08 +0000 UTC]
You are probably right. Still there is couple nuances: if you die, you lose all your stuff. Even if you give for it a really big money. Release of the game on the beta-test stage is nothing criminal. Minecraft was realised on alfa-test stage at first place. So if you know about it, nobody makes you play in this game. Wait, when developers say, that game is totally ready.
But of course everybody see, what happens here: those people just want to take a quick and easy money, making the clone based on the successful idea and concept. Maybe in the future, when most of the bugs will be fixed, existing of this game will be justified... Who knows? Anyway, I don't care) All I know, that gameplay of Day Z or War Z based on the simulation of walking, of wandering around. Between a rare zombies and a random bullets of a campers. I saw the live-stream, 90% of a time was walking, walking and walking. 9% of a time was scaring of random noices. 0.9% is fingting with a zombies. 0.1% - death by a bullets came from nowhere. And yeah, all this time was words about how much cool this game is (atmosphere, etc.).
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Abion47 In reply to Az-Pekt [2013-03-03 20:22:59 +0000 UTC]
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a game getting released while it is still in its beta phase, but Hammerpoint specifically called it a "Foundation Release", meaning that the game either had no bugs or the ones that existed were very rare and/or had little to no effect on gameplay. They emphasized that point. So it was definitely not a game in its beta phase, so the number of serious bugs that existed were inexcusable.
I will say that this kind of game is one that interests me greatly. I played a bit of DayZ in the past, and the gameplay that it contains is one of constant fear and paranoia, which is something that not many huge sandbox world games can claim. However, I noticed that the game has absolutely nothing in terms of late game goals, so that anyone that played the game for any significant amount of time will unavoidably fall into the "there's nothing to do, so let's hunt other people" trap. War Z had a couple of parts to it that looked like it would help in this regard, and for a time got me genuinely interested in the game.
But really, none of what War Z adds to the table now or in the future makes a difference. They have proven themselves to be a developer with absolutely no care for their game or their community. They deliberately committed fraud and false advertising (when they "apologized" for the false information, the head of Hammerpoint said that he was "sorry that people misread some information"). They released a game that is only a grab at easy money, looking at the recycled assets, the one-to-one similarity with DayZ, the tacked on in-game purchase system that is designed for people to spend a lot of money just to be on even footing with other players (or, in the case of the 4 hour respawn timer, to even play the game at all), and the eight month development time that falls right between the point when DayZ picked up steam and when DayZ said it would release a beta for its standalone version. They censor people for talking bad about their game and falsify their statistics for approval polls, one of which accounted for 105% of registered users. (For a while, they had an automated response for anyone that submitted a ticket asking for a lift on the ban, saying they were accused of hacking. It said this even if the email account used to identify the account wasn't even a valid email account or was brand new and couldn't possibly be linked to a War Z account.)
I will not be getting War Z, nor any game that Hammerpoint releases in the future. They are douche bags and assholes in the truest sense of the terms, and do not deserve a dime for their half-assed attempts for a quick buck.
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Az-Pekt In reply to Abion47 [2013-03-03 22:49:40 +0000 UTC]
Ok, I see your point here I didn't know about whole this shit. Still, I know some people, who enjoyed by this game. So, maybe it's not perfect and the developers are an assholes, but somebody playing in this and give money for this %) As I said, I didn't played Day Z, nor WarZ, so I can make my oppinion, only by reading a comments, an articles and watching some live-streams for a killing time. So easiest explanation, what I heard about those games, it's "someone did the DayZ's clone, but only with donate system", so I made conclusion, that those games are same.
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LazarusK [2013-03-03 08:04:22 +0000 UTC]
The War Z and Day Z "totally" same? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH that actually made me laugh more than I should have for the shitty "warz"
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Az-Pekt In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-03 08:52:49 +0000 UTC]
oh c'mon, what is a radical difference of those games? %)
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commanderhavoc In reply to Az-Pekt [2013-03-03 09:19:28 +0000 UTC]
Well as LazarusK said, The War Z is just a blatant attempt at cash grab by Russian game dev Hammerpoint Interactive to cash in on the hype of the upcoming DayZ stand alone game.
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Az-Pekt In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-03 09:34:09 +0000 UTC]
Duh, I was talking about a gameplay.
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LazarusK In reply to Az-Pekt [2013-03-03 09:49:38 +0000 UTC]
Well, for a "finished" game, war z was pretty buggy in gameplay, took forever to kill zombies or had a meaty combat system to begin with. And the spawning....oh god the spawning...
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Az-Pekt In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-03 17:33:59 +0000 UTC]
Is it officially finished? ) Well, whatever. I just wanted to say, that those game have a gameplay based on the one concept. This is a differend games, I'm agreed. But an idea and a concept of the gameplay are the same.
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LazarusK In reply to Az-Pekt [2013-03-03 22:01:13 +0000 UTC]
Nah, War Z was still basically in beta put it onto steam, Day Z was only in Alpha until recently but was less buggier than it. And yeah the concept is the same, but the game play is fundamentally different. Day Z has no micro-transacting store built into the game, nor will it ever be. War Z is different in game play because it does, the game was built around money grabbing practices, and in turn they enforced the worst kind of practices into that game. So yeah, the concept is the same, but the game play isn't close. (Hope this helps)
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Az-Pekt In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-03 22:58:28 +0000 UTC]
Well, I see. If you look at the comments below, you will see my conversation with a wordy guy, where I noticed, that anyone can spend all his real money on most epic stuff, but if he died, he will lose all, no matter how much real money he gave on it. So yeah, there is one real difference: in War Z you can pointlessely lose your money in the first organized ambush %)
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LazarusK In reply to Az-Pekt [2013-03-03 23:16:37 +0000 UTC]
Yeah and I wholeheartedly agree with him on it. And I've played both games. And about spending money on that game, yes you do lose your stuff when you die, but the money still went towards the developers who have showed no care for the game or their players. These kind of developers are the reason that the gaming industry can't grow and mature yet. They're keeping the industry pretty low with money transactions in lazy and predatory practices on their consumers and fans...when I first saw the War Z being announced, I had high hopes of it and got it when it came out. But got a refund when I found out what it was. I just hope that the devs learn from their mistakes before they lose it all for good.
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Krisisis In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-04 08:16:00 +0000 UTC]
Is war z free? And I mean the game and all you need to play it.
And will the new day z be free?
Imo free games, where you can buy some advantages with real money (buying guns/armor/whatever, respawing with a slightly better weapon/chance to keep some of your stuff) are fine as long as the advantage is not too good (double health, resurrect).
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LazarusK In reply to Krisisis [2013-03-04 09:22:30 +0000 UTC]
No, you have to buy War Z, from what I've heard the Day Z standalone is still going to be free like it was when it was a mod.
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Krisisis In reply to LazarusK [2013-03-05 09:06:41 +0000 UTC]
Yay, finally I will be able to try it out!
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